Structures of Fear, Anger, and Desire!

[sso]

..you could however use the image of love to manipulate someone. the desire for love is strong, even blinding, looking for love in all the wrong places..


while, if you had actual love, you would never manipulate someone in that way.



btw, the most interesting thing ive heard said about fear.

is "its only fear." (oh some psychic healer who claimed to be in contact with spiders who he said created the world.)



well, whoever he was, its true, it Is only fear.

an emotion, a chemical process in your body.

its not greater than you and not your master, unless you allow it.

 

[southflorida]

oh critics are useful.

btw, im not so sure fear can be completely gotten rid of.

or even if its desireable.

fear holds you back, which can be useful.

though i totally agree with you on getting rid of subconscious fears which Are holding you back or limiting your way from doing what you want.

but fear can be viewed as a caution to go slow.

but its something to discuss anyway.

something ive wondered about.

yeah sso...this topic needs to be discussed, pondered, contemplated, and grasped at the fundamental level, because while it remains hidden beneath our awareness...

...ego will continue to do its job, building a castle using fantasy and delusion as building material, and this is where our consciousness will continue to hide

we are forced to face these fears eventually, but we don't realize that they are hidden, we simply think that circumstances created a negative experience, and allow the ego and intellect to cover up the fear once more

...and this is how we live as a rule

 

[THE PABLOS]

we are born from silence...not born from love

Back to basics....organic locomotion. Run a forest trail...breathe into silence. Love is a trick of the mind....just like when your mind screams its angst when it feels the body should tire...and the next hill...is too steep

You only think you need love

 

[southflorida]

My immediate perception of the human condition is slavery. Humans enslave themselves...enslave each other...and will continue to do so. Love...hate...apathy...greed...vanity etc....are all residue and tools of enslavement.

We reject some...strive for others...but they all come from the inventions of humans. The world around us...the physical world...is completely indifferent to these things. Only humans allow themselves to be enslaved by human design

Have no doubt...we are enslaved by others. In many ways...we are farmed from conception to grave. We are..without any choice...born into a straw man world. Our straw men have value...but our actual lives do not.

Part of our need to be loved or despised or whatever...is a deep rooted acknowledgement that there are chains that bind us...and our confusion forces many of us to grasp for emotions that we've inherited from the steady evolution of slavery...as the shackles themselves...give comfort

not a pretty picture

yeah...fear, ego, and the inventive self-mind (ego) with the help of our intellect has created this structure you describe.

and you are right, it is on all levels, starting with us and ending with the so-called global government, or whatever they're called (zionists, illuminati, world bankers, etc)

all fear based mafia that use politicians, religion leaders, and scientists to keep us and themselves ensalved

this is the circumstances from which we must evolve

and there is really no guarantee that we're going to make it

free will choice means that it is possible we won't

Diet: We are witnessing the global takeover of foods...and water. This is happening now...presently...and it will (by design) eventually enslave us even further....make us more dependent on the more organized and power driven slavers. As the slavers...are slaves themselves...there will be no way of preventing this on a global stage

Processed...consumer driven foods...will kill you. They are inventions of human arrogance...made up of chemically laden non foods. The intent is not to feed...but to sell consumers a cheap substance to sustain a living straw man. When that straw man gets sick from these non foods...he will be profited off of in a different way (health care)...all the way...until they cast his ashes into the wind

shit is without a doubt scary...corn...milk...etc...add chemicals and coloring to it and these mofos can create anything

and the medical domain is really outrageous

prescription pills by the billions, surgery for fat people, and the list is endless, these folks are raking in the dough

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we are put in these circumstances for a reason and a purpose though...evolution continues...and we either will evolve through work on ourselves...or we will die...and this can only be done on a personal, individual level, it is our responsibility to evolve our own individuated consciousness

being aware of this makes it harder in a way, ignorance is bliss, but at least you have a chance, because the ignorant will continue to live in a cycle of running away from their fears until they die

when you are evolving, facing your fears, and getting over them, and becoming fearless, the quality of your consciousness and intent increases and you are taken to the next level

whatever this level is, we only will find out when we get there

for now, we work with what we have

 

[sso]

we are born from silence...not born from love

Back to basics....organic locomotion. Run a forest trail...breathe into silence. Love is a trick of the mind....just like when your mind screams its angst when it feels the body should tire...and the next hill...is too steep

You only think you need love

hmm.


my understanding of it is rather different, id say, we Are love.



and that life in its higher forms would not be possible without it.

but id like to know more of your reasonings for this and how you came to this conclusion, if you´d please.

 

[THE PABLOS]

I am in no way dismayed by the human condition. How can I be? It's what is present.

The human race is failing. Some species don't make it. It's as simple as that. Without emotion...without subjectivity...existence is not promised and we are not higher forms.

The planet's life forms do not need us....like say...they need plants

To think different is playing with arrogance

 

[sso]

hmm, you kinda sound like someone who felt too much at one point and then saw star trek and decided to imitate spock to relieve the pain.

ive never seen this work out.

but then again ive never seen everything and im still interested in your philosophy.

 

[southflorida]

I think we need to agree on a definition of love. I'm not talking about romantic love or the kind of love we want in relation to us.

My definition of love is a mutually beneficial interaction and co-operation with other sentient beings.

It is not something to want for oneself, but to give to others.

A good example is imagining 600 people put in the wild somewhere and split into two groups. One group would be fear-based and egoistical, and in this group every person would have to think only about himself. The individual is what is valued here.

The second group would be love-based, and in this group every person would focus on helping and caring mostly for the other people in the group, and focusing on the group evolving as a whole. The group as a whole is what is valued here.

Now, I'm not comparing political structures, because as we know in communist and social countries, the politicians are NOT thinking of the whole group, they are thinking about their own power and how to hold on to it.

I'm talking about what intent would produce evolution of the two groups.

fear-based or love-based?

 

[THE PABLOS]

hmm, you kinda sound like someone who felt too much at one point and then saw star trek and decided to imitate spock to relieve the pain.

ive never seen this work out.

but then again ive never seen everything and im still interested in your philosophy.

Not a philosophy...objective observation. I'm human...again...how can I not be? I've been told that's what I am...and how to go about being human. No problem.

It doesn't matter whether we talk romantic love or love for the world...it's still an invention of the mind. The mind is not as trustworthy as we'd believe it to be. Creates all kinds of illusions and deceptions.

Love is not going to save anything...as it does not exist in the physical world. Humans are stubborn though...like to consider themselves high up there....

We are nothing. Nothing is born from silence

 

[sso]

being with someone because you love her tits, is not love.

its lust.

being with someone because they can take care of you (monetarily or othervise.)

is not love, its fear and desire to be safe.


what im talking about with love.

lets just start simple.


i care for my cats and want them happy and safe.

they care for me and when they see me sad, they come and kiss me to make me feel better.

thats love.

kissing and hugging and enjoying the company.

careing for others.

being cared for.

feeling happy seeing them happy.


sex can be love, but its not love if horny is the sole emotion.


good friends, thats love.


its however difficult to keep fear out of the equation when you love much.

you fear to lose those you love.

and losing those you love, hurts like nothing else.



its a killer too.

to me , life without love is unbearable, waste of time, senseless, with just shallow nearly fake pleasures.


i was gonna kill myself till i met my wife. and when i met her it was like a star being born in my heart.

huh, and i thought i had emotional power before i met the wife..lol

but without her, id soon be dead.

it would be like taking the color out of life.



lol , thats how i handle the idea of losing her, id just die and be born again so i could look for her again.


sure, living without love..

what is it worth.

the mountain air, without anyone to share it with?


whats running if you are alone and no hope of anyone good to share it with?


good people are love.


without love, there would be no good people.

and without good people , there would be no life. no point to it.


no laughter shared, no comfort in difficult times, no shared touch.


so, as you can see, i find it rather difficult imagining even wanting to be a vulcan.

ive tried it.

sure it works for awhile.

but for me, well, life is just meaningless crap without love.


specially this world.

 

[THE PABLOS]

I wouldn't tell you to live any different then. If your sense of love makes you want to exist...your driving force...blessings

 

[sso]

Not a philosophy...objective observation. I'm human...again...how can I not be? I've been told that's what I am...and how to go about being human. No problem.

It doesn't matter whether we talk romantic love or love for the world...it's still an invention of the mind. The mind is not as trustworthy as we'd believe it to be. Creates all kinds of illusions and deceptions.

Love is not going to save anything...as it does not exist in the physical world. Humans are stubborn though...like to consider themselves high up there....

We are nothing. Nothing is born from silence

you do know, that nothing does not exist, except in philosophy and wherever you go.

you will never find silence, except within.


but that silence within, is something you can never be, without stopping to exist in the "real world."

 

[sso]

I wouldn't tell you to live any different then. If your sense of love makes you want to exist...your driving force...blessings

hmm, thanks, im not telling you either how you should live, if you are content, bless.


im however curious about your philosophy and how you came to this

i also cant help sharing my own opinions , both mine and on yours.

 

[THE PABLOS]

hmm, thanks, im not telling you either how you should live, if you are content, bless.


im however curious about your philosophy and how you came to this

i also cant help sharing my own opinions , both mine and on yours.

Dude....I just get up and do. I'm not alone...I have all the tidings of a southern california lifestyle. Wife...dogs...house..toys etc

I say "I love you baaaaaaaaby" every day...

I spend a lot of time running alone in the mountains. It's the only time I feel truly free. No phones...no GPS...no rules...no nothing....and I have moments where I can breathe deep from my core....from form...and find silence. The peace that is found when...the mind shuts the fuck up. It's not an emotion...it's a state of being...presence

I have...over the last few years...listened to the silence. Ever do that? Listen to where everything that is....has been born from? I can not stay in silence for very long...perhaps just seconds...but it's very comforting. All physical things fall away...all thought is no more

I train myself...to slip into the silence. Miles I train...because with running...form and breathing are key. Concentrated breathing from core form is a door to endorphins and a door to silence.

Because of this running discipline....because my gardening discipline..I've changed my diet and do not take in anything that deadens. I've stopped participating in trough consumerism as much as I used to. Growing herb and growing food have elevated me to a different stance.

With a different stance...different form...I've exposed myself to a different realm of thought process. Not saying...it's a higher road...but I recognize certain tricks and how the human condition..in us all...plays itself out.

I'm no more aware than anyone else...I simply don't buy in to higher love...or love...being anything beyond a human invention

 

[sso]

sounds like a nice life, i can relate to the running in the mountains part. (i like just walking though.)

yeah, ive been in the silence, dont keep it long either, well, i sorta can always feel it inside.

but to totally enter that state, where you just cant stop smiling, only been there once in this life. then mom came along in a pissy mood and thought i was smiling at her.lol

i was studying this kabbalah rite.

from a science fiction book lol, well it described it.

meditating on a light thats everywhere yet invisible, something like that, boom,happened.

supposedly, according to the book it usually takes 40 years of staring into a candle, i just connected with the concept and imagined it and in imagining it , touched it.

havent been able to repeat it, though i didnt try alot. maybe i did alot of this in a past life or something lol, i dont know.

ive heard of this running technique, not much of a runner though.


if you dont buy into love, why do you stay with your wife and kids, what keeps you with them? basic animal urge to spread your seed?

 

[THE PABLOS]

I love my wife....but that's created by the human condition...and as I stated before...I perceive the human condition as one... based in slavery. Many different forms of slavery....some less obvious than others. Society pushes love...when in many cases...people are just making the best of what they believe they need...to be doing. They fear being alone.

What probably has happened...is humans took it upon themselves to elevate their position to one of "higher beings" and started separating themselves from animals by changing up a few things. Attractions/mating rituals turned into love....concern for another turned into love...contentment turned into love...until love became associated with being the most desirable state. Love is a blanket condition.

We love each other....but our existence does not require us to...only our inherited...man made...belief system insists on this. It can insist all it wants...but we have no control over the infinite silence.

I'd not want to "let love rule"....as that is insanity. It's not higher power...anymore than fear is higher power. Fear/love are not opposites

 

[sso]

hmm,

i agree with you on many points.

but i have more questions before i have comments, if i have any.
well one comment, love is a blanket statement yes.

but id say its a blanket statement for positive connections. pleasureable connections.
and that while i do agree that love in our society is a warped thing, i still do think you are looking at actual love wrong.


so, are you trying to rid yourself of love?

and, does your love for your wife, feel wrong?

 

[THE PABLOS]

Not trying to do anything. As I am human....and born into this condition we've created for ourselves...this world where we have deemed our species "higher beings"...I accept the responsibility of loving others.

It doesn't feel wrong or right...it's just a way of coping with the shackles. There really is no other choice. We have been enslaved by our own minds....enslaved by governments....enslaved by religions...enslaved by all the guilts our condition pushes on us...since antiquity.

You must find happiness in life to be a successful slave. Not looking to be saved or anything like that...but that's not to say...that I don't seek out the forces of what is...all the other powers born out of same energies that produced my existence

I view life as recirculating energy...a full circle...constantly flowing. It's not good or bad...not full of fear or full of love....as all that is only human concept. It is indifferent...and we are a part of that indifference...whether we can accept that or not.

 

[southflorida]

I do agree that fundamentally our being is infinitely nothing. I have directly experienced this state, and can describe it as being a void. It is not the nothing that we use in our language obviously, and I wouldn't be able to put in words. The best I can say, it is a state of no-self, no-knowing, no-anything. It is a "place" before perception, and this is what makes it impossible to describe.

Since fundamentally, we are this nothingness at our core, this nothingness doesn't disappear when we are consciously aware as human beings in this thing we call a "physical experience."

We simply pay attention to what we perceive, since the ego (self-mind) is working 24/7/365 to keep us persisting as the self that we believe and assume that we are.

The problem with this state, what The Pablos is calling silence, is that it does not seem - at least from my current perspective - to be our purpose as human beings.

Being/Consciousness/Silence, or whatever we call the fundamental nature of everything, is already nothing, it is already silence, it doesn't have to reach this state, it is always this state.

It has created duality, in order to evolve itself, just sitting there as nothing is not-in-sync with evolution.

Being/Consciousness/Nothingness/Infinity/Silence are like the man, that likes to sit on the couch and watch TV (Star Trek, for example)

Evolution, is like the wife that shows up and says what the fuk you doing on that couch you lazy bastard, get your ass up and do something, make something, etc.

This is why there are men and women...btw...not only for making and giving birth babies

...but to make us work and evolve...lol

anyway, our purpose as human beings is to evolve from being fear-based to becoming love-based.

This is accomplished through making choices and learning from these choices. Our conscious awareness (our personal, individuated consciousness) can go from being dim to becoming bright as we evolve it through making choices over and over.

so fear-based intent is dim awareness and love-based intent is bright awareness

But, there is no guarantee that our individuated consciousness will evolve, since we have free will choice and we can choose not to evolve, but to de-evolve through increasing our inner fears and allowing ego and our intellect to build a larger and larger castle where we hide from the fears that are running around our castle screaming that they are gonna pull us out of the castle and burry us alive.

Let me give a better example of what I mean by love, since my example with the two tribes obviously wasn't good enough to get my point across clearly

Look at our body. It has around 60 trillion cells, and when the human body is healthy all these cells are making love-based choices and decisions, keeping us alive.

They are doing what is mutually beneficial for the whole organism.

Some help to keep the brain functioning, some digestion, some the heart and blood system, some helping to keep us sitting on the toilet a few times per day

Imagine if the majority of these 60 trillion cells were fear-based and focused only from a perspective that they are enslaved, and that there is no reason to make love-based decisions anymore.

We'd be fucked royally.

For example, cancer is cells making choices using fear-based intent. And eventually, it not only kills its host, it kills itself.

So, we have a very crystal-clear example of what a love-based system is like, by simply observing how our bodies work.

hopefully this example has helped to make a distinction between what a fear-based intent is and what a love-based intent is.

And, no matter what occurs around us or inside of us, we always have a choice to evolve our conscious awareness and the intent (motivation) behind our choices...always

CHOICE is something that can never be taken away from us

no matter the circumstances, we can still choose if we will base our choices on fear or love...even if we are slaves (in our mind)

 

[THE PABLOS]

I'm not swept up in the illusion of purpose or choices. That's your human condition speaking...your enslaved mind.

That's my opinion of course. I'm not emotionally invested.

I don't see the human race as a grand experiment. I see it as an unfree...sick...and dying out species. Its expansion will be its downfall

Time to garden