Storm in Valencia

[DARKSIDER]

My family and ACE are safe, but many villages in southern Valencia have been devastated, almost like a tsunami. Over 200 people have lost their lives, and hundreds are still missing, with around 150,000 people affected by the floods.

Government response and prevention have been negligent. The official alert was issued only after the flooding had already begun, and it took the military 3-5 days to arrive and start helping. Thousands of citizen volunteers had to organize spontaneously, bringing water, food, and assistance for clearing water and mud. It has been a powerful lesson in citizens' solidarity versus government inefficiency. Yesterday, both our king and president visited the affected area, and they had to run away from the angry crowd.

Very sad days here.

Nice to see you and family are safe a sad time for sure

 

[Hasch]

Good to hear you guys are safe @dubi

I was hesitant to post it here, but since it was brought up by someone "affected":

I have a hard time watching videos etc of high officials and royalty trying to placate the mood after the officials / politicians have neglected their sworn duty.


I feel like we've been acting like unruly teenagers for two centuries and now Gaia is starting to put her foot down.

To bad it seems like many of us (especially the ones in "power") still refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their actions...

And "moving out to live in a place of our own" isn't an option either...

 

[Hasch]

Double post, sorry.

 

[Rocket Soul]

Thousands of citizen volunteers had to organize spontaneously, bringing water, food, and assistance for clearing water and mud. It has been a powerful lesson in citizens' solidarity versus government inefficiency. Yesterday, both our king and president visited the affected area, and they had to run away from the angry crowd.

Very sad days here.

El pueblo siempre suple los fallos del estado/gobierno/autonomia - pero a coste de propio bolsillo y esfuerzo. Its hard to know who to point at cause responsibility for both the prevention and final response is not quite clear to me. In any case there is a time for that later and it is both frustrating, heartwarming and not surprising to see who seem to lead here: the people themselves, man/woman/old from la misma tierra.
Spaniards say its the land of la pandereta which may be true in some regards but spaniards certainly knows more than playing the tamborine when the going gets tough. This is part of why i love Spain so much; its not about the flag/crown/moncloa thats for certain and i think most people in Spain from the outside feel the same: we love spain sometimes despite spain but always because of the spaniards, what ever they call themselves (catalan/castill@/andaluh'/vasco etc)

The reporting here this morning was only on the king and his umbrella nothing on sanchez. But the mess and feelings are clearly understood here. Fuerza animo

 

[spigolaro]

I am very sorry for what happened in Valencia, a prayer for all the people who did not make it and for those who are fighting against the mud and a big Fuck You to the King and the powerful of the Earth but sooner or later you will have to deal with Our Lord.

 

[HCMPA]

For all the smoke vendors, is not climate change, have nothing to do with that, STOP lying and selling your lies as the only truth, there is not one single truth, but there are tons of lies and liars.

For whoever that want to know the truth:

Since Roman times, the city of Valencia has witnessed numerous overflows of the Turia River. Over the centuries, the city has experienced expansion and has implemented various measures to defend itself against severe flooding.

In the records of the years from 1321 –the previous “Llibres de Consell” disappeared in a fire– until 1957, 25 episodes of floods have been recorded in Valencia, in the years 1321, 1328, 1340, 1358, 1406, 1427, 1475, 1517, 1540, 1581, 1589, 1590, 1610, 1651, 1672, 1731, 1776, 1783, 1845, 1860, 1864, 1870, 1897 and finally 1957.

Wikipedia

Peace.

 

[Rocket Soul]

For all the smoke vendors, is not climate change, have nothing to do with that, STOP lying and selling your lies as the only truth, there is not one single truth, but there are tons of lies and liars.

For whoever that want to know the truth:


Wikipedia

Peace.

These floods were not in Valencia town, it was in small villages outside. Iirc valencia had the river diverted in order to avoid floodings in town. The records you bring are kind of not related to these recent floods as its not the same place.

For info: im not taking any side in whatever issue people take with eachother, just putting this new flooding-information brought into proper context. Anyone whod like to have an argument can happily go on and have it without me

 

[HCMPA]

I'm from Spain, I lived 1 year in Valencia city, the phenomenon that produces this heavy rains, is called "Gota Fria" (cold drop), is a natural phenomenon.

The towns hard flooded these days are:
Alaquàs, Alaquàs, Albal, Albalat de la Ribera, Alborache, Alcàsser, L'Alcúdia, Aldaia, Alfafar, Alfarb, Algemesí, Alginet, Almussafes, Benetússer, Benifaió, Beniparrell, Benicull de Xúquer, Bétera, Bugarra, Buñol, Camporrobles, Carlet y Catadau. Catarroja, Caudete de las Fuentes, Corbera, Quart de Poblet, Cullera, Chera, Cheste, Xirivella, Chiva, Favara, Fortaleny, Fuenterrobles, Godelleta, Guadassuar, Llíria, Loriguilla , Llaurí, Llombai, Macastre, Manises, Massanassa, Mislata, Montserrat, Montroi, Paiporta, Paterna, Pedralba, Picanya, Picassent, Polinyà de Xúquer, Real and Requena. Riba-roja de Túria, Riola, Sedaví, Siete Aguas, Silla, Sinarcas, Sollana, Sot de Chera, Sueca and Tavernes de la Valldigna, Torrent, Turís, Utiel, València , Yátova, Benicull de Xúquer and Llocnou de la Corona.

Go to Google Map Valencia

Now, take the google map, and try the towns names.

Is the same area always, as it should be, sometimes because winds could affect more south, or west... but the same area. I give you data, facts, could you give me any fact that said other thing about Valencia floods?

Go ahead, I want to see one "I know it all, and old ppl just destroy the world" telling me WTF "gota fría" is.

Peace.

 

[HCMPA]

Just FYI, there are much more to it, not just the natural seasons phenomenons that can be more or less severe each year, is that we have data from year 1300 AD... and still no one did what is needed to be done, but this is a matter not for foreigners, nor people that don't know how real life works, where the big "wokeism" people that are already saving us from the end of the world from seven years ago (yeah man, don't you know it? We, in Spain, have a real "wokeism" government since 7 years ago, they even banned from buy cats or dogs), well, our nice super-duper-enviroment-friendly-nobynary-noman-norwoman didn't anything about the floods till 48 hours later... not even ring a bell... because the idiot that rule in Valencia state is not woke... YEAH, the generation and ideals that are going to save the word lets die hundreds people, so the non woke guy ruling Valencia gets fvcked and this make happy the "wokeism" people... so the first aid or emergency get in there 48 HOURS LATER!!! When the people that could survive just die alone in the mud with no one looking for them (first fireman there was a French one, the video where he is informed that he is the first one, so he is the boss... the French man is speechless). Police people out of service gets there on their own, but they get fast banned, or they will be kicked out of Police, soldiers... same luck.

Yeah spanish people are almost alone giving back Valencia to normal as they can, but not just because they are nice people, but because we are ALONE, wokeism people only are good at talking about "second hand dreams", if you want to see what happens when useless people take the lead, take a look:

 

[Rocket Soul]

Just FYI, there are much more to it, not just the natural seasons phenomenons that can be more or less severe each year, is that we have data from year 1300 AD... and still no one did what is needed to be done, but this is a matter not for foreigners, nor people that don't know how real life works, where the big "wokeism" people that are already saving us from the end of the world from seven years ago (yeah man, don't you know it? We, in Spain, have a real "wokeism" government since 7 years ago, they even banned from buy cats or dogs), well, our nice super-duper-enviroment-friendly-nobynary-noman-norwoman didn't anything about the floods till 48 hours later... not even ring a bell... because the idiot that rule in Valencia state is not woke... YEAH, the generation and ideals that are going to save the word lets die hundreds people, so the non woke guy ruling Valencia gets fvcked and this make happy the "wokeism" people... so the first aid or emergency get in there 48 HOURS LATER!!! When the people that could survive just die alone in the mud with no one looking for them (first fireman there was a French one, the video where he is informed that he is the first one, so he is the boss... the French man is speechless). Police people out of service gets there on their own, but they get fast banned, or they will be kicked out of Police, soldiers... same luck.

Yeah spanish people are almost alone giving back Valencia to normal as they can, but not just because they are nice people, but because we are ALONE, wokeism people only are good at talking about "second hand dreams", if you want to see what happens when useless people take the lead, take a look:

Dude seems like you have a bone to grind with someone, but it aint me. No mention from me about climate change. Si he menicionado Sanchez es porque no se le mencionan en noticias suecas; solo el rey y lo veo un poco raro, yo me informo de lo que pasa en Espana y me di cuenta de como se reporta por aqui donde estoy por temporada no es lo mismo que en espana. Lo menciono como informacion al resto de españoles, que la historia parece tuneada en el estrañero.
I only replied cause you referred to floods in Valencia city, this one wasnt one and i hate sloppy references. Liked your reply cause you actually brought some detail, i respect that. But you seem real mad at someone, why dont you go and be mad at them? I havent mentioned climate change or any trans issues. Look thru my replies. Only sympathy for spanish people, just like you. If you got issues with someone go bring them up with that person, it aint me. Buenas noches

 

[HCMPA]

Sorry @Rocket Soul, I dind't mean about you, as I said at first "For all the smoke vendors", there are people here saying that what happens in Valencia is because people use diesel cars and all the trash that everyone knows by now, and yes I'm edgy as at least half of my country is.


Read my signature, I don't care about political colors, I never did, all are shit, snake poison vendors, but I get mad with people that say "This is the truth", OK, but where are the data, facts backing you? You haven't, you just say it because you are more sheep than human, that's all, if your leaders say... you jump like a dog.

Sorry, @Rocket Soul, I beg your pardon man.

Peace.