So you wanna be a commercial grower?

[yamaha_1fan]

Hello everyone

Been reading this post.. I see a few smart people posting interesting points about generators, and sadly what sounds like dumb kids that think they know what their talking about. but I'll just ignore those.

anyway, I'm planning on buying a caterpillar looking at the 35k range that runs on Natural gas instead of diesel for the simple reason of not having to deliver all that diesel. And natural gas costs less then half cost of diesel.
I am curious however, why doesn't anyone else even consider these?

I believe the Diesel is cheaper. Also you cant pick up NG/LP like you can diesel. That would mean the gas guy coming to fill your tank every couple weeks and that would raise suspicion. If you have NG that is piped in, it would be a huge bill that would be suspicious. There are only so many things in a home that run on NG/LP. With electric, you can also have A/C, hot tubs, heated pool, extra freezers, outside lighting, workshop, etc to explain increased bill. Diesel you can just drive to different stations and pick up 200 gallons as needed.


TGT I have no idea but as soon as they searched the warehouse and arrested me, they asked about another warehouse that was used for a legit business. It was rented under a business name that was not legally mine but I did sign the lease. They threatened to get a warrant and tear it apart, but promised if they took the dog drug through with my consent they would be quick and painless. I consented as I had nothing there and couldnt afford for them to rip up several thousand sq feet of office and warehouse. They were in and out.

I have no idea how they knew I was the lease signer and to this day have not figured it out. The two locations were in the same city. They never asked about my house

 

[British_Bulldog]

Diesel you can just drive to different stations and pick up 200 gallons as needed.

Well everything is indeed bigger in America, lol

Here in Europe you can only buy about 2 gallons of diesel at a time from a 'gas' (re: petrol, lol) station!

So that would be 100 visits, lol

 

[indicapimp]

Digigrow, what new 25 plant fed limit are you talking about? Elaborate please.

What is the new Fed# any truth to that???

 

[tngreen]

bump, keep this thread goin!

 

[Wait...What?]

so where do I fill up my lorry or my 240D oil burning benz?

Well everything is indeed bigger in America, lol

Here in Europe you can only buy about 2 gallons of diesel at a time from a 'gas' (re: petrol, lol) station!

So that would be 100 visits, lol

 

[-ShutterBug-]

If they had a best new thread of the month contest. This one would win hands down.

 

[dj digigrow]

Digigrow, what new 25 plant fed limit are you talking about? Elaborate please.

theres a thread in the security fourums....

 

[LiLWaynE]

 

[LiLWaynE]

^^^ talk about growing commercially!!

P.S. ...

The authorities have said they first learned of the large-scale marijuana growing in late October when a Hooksett home caught fire


....growing commercially takes big balls... so much shit can go wrong...

 

[CityKnightz]

Notice that all or most of the names are Asian. For some reason I keep seeing one last name in particular, Nguyen, in alot of grow busts. Go figure

 

[swampy_nz]

the guys that ran the opps will take the fall and the big crime bosses whole financed it all wont get touched.

 

[wafflehouselove]

Danm that's alot of vietnamese people lol

 

[crtoker]

On the subject of diesels- It is my experience that it would suit most operations to have several smaller units such as 2 10k's or 12 k's that can be run each to its optimum capacity-efficiency rather than a 35 k running below the best torque curve. I have run small ones for 3-4 months at a time without shutdown except for an oil change or 2 and they just seemed more effient. Don't have any data however, just my gut feel, so if anyone has more experience lets hear it.

 

[TGT]

Of those houses that got seized I bet not one was even a quarter paid for. They purchase the house with the minumum down so when they seize the home it sounds like a big thing, but in all reality the people at the top don't feel it at all. The cops want the public to think they hurt the organization and took a big bite out of crime - hence the blown out of proportion numbers. It's all to make them look like they have a handle on things and get more funding - and funding is the driving force behind this charaid. Its rediculous the front they put on. The truth would not be in their best interest.

TGT

 

[TGT]

On the subject of diesels- It is my experience that it would suit most operations to have several smaller units such as 2 10k's or 12 k's that can be run each to its optimum capacity-efficiency rather than a 35 k running below the best torque curve. I have run small ones for 3-4 months at a time without shutdown except for an oil change or 2 and they just seemed more effient. Don't have any data however, just my gut feel, so if anyone has more experience lets hear it.

From what I have read the larger units are more efficient at the top end of their power range. Also, a large unit could run at half capacity and the smaller units would be full tilt, giving it more stress and chance to break down. Also, if you were to purchase smaller units, but still large enough to run at half or three thirds their power limit to lessen the likely hood of breaking down, you would have to spend far mor money on the two units. Both would be over-kill for what you are doing and it would probably be cheaper to buy one unit that is over-kill - make sense? I'm not sure if that came out right. If not let me know - it's late, or should I say early?

TGT

 

[crtoker]

That is a different view. But when you say most efficient at the top of the power range my thought was that rather than have one machine not at the top range it might be better if there were 2 units operating at the top range. Of course also with two if one went down for some mechanical problem there would be the other one to at least keep part of the grow going. Another thought is that two gensets could each run 12 hour shifts and with two rooms you could flip flop between machines. This would provide one machine that could do 24 hours of one of the two went down and had to be taken off line. Just some thoughts. Probably a lot of ways to skin a cat.

 

[guest123]

Notice that all or most of the names are Asian. For some reason I keep seeing one last name in particular, Nguyen, in alot of grow busts. Go figure

Nguyen seems to be replacing smith as the most used surname in some southern state of australia .. i think its pretty common ....

 

[British_Bulldog]

so where do I fill up my lorry or my 240D oil burning benz?

Well I was referring to buying diesel to take away in cans of course:

How many containers can I fill at a petrol station?
Petrol filling stations may have their own internal policy on the types and numbers of containers they are prepared to fill - frequently one or two 5 litre plastic and/or one or two 10 litre metal. This is a decision made by the filling station operator and is not a legal requirement.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum/faqs.htm

and then....

What is the limit of the amount of petrol I can store for domestic use?
The Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc.) Regulations 1929 and the Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982 limit the amount of petrol that can be kept in a domestic garage or within six metres of a building (e.g. most domestic driveways). The limit is a maximum of two suitable metal containers each of a maximum capacity of ten litres or two plastic containers (which have to be of an approved design) each of a maximum capacity of five litres

So, normally you can just take upto 20 litres at a time from a petrol station in 2 x 10l cans (I thought it was 10l before), and the law allows upto 20 litres to be stored at home.


For a workplace (grow warehouse, etc) -

If the petrol is being stored in a place which is also a workroom for instance, then no more than 50 litres of highly flammable liquids should be stored.

Peace

 

[British_Bulldog]

bbc.co.uk, Sunday 13 April 2008:

Police raided the building on the Bellwin House Business Park at Flixborough after a tip-off and found more than 4,000 plants being grown.

Two men charged in connection with the find have been remanded in custody.

The two men, Quang Van Tran, 36, and Anh Duc Ngugen, 45, neither of whom have a fixed address, appeared at North Lincolnshire Magistrates' Court on Friday, charged with cannabis cultivation.

They both denied the allegation. <<<---

...Meanwhile, police were still clearing the plants on Sunday after Wednesday's raid.



Pc Lee Smith, who took part in the operation, said: "We have found a rather large cannabis factory in full operation.

"There are about 4,000-plus plants - we're still counting I'm afraid so we're not quite sure.

"This is an unusual find in that it was a first-floor office complex which was occupied and being used by members of the public and staff at the business centre. <<<--- !!!

"They have installed their own roller shutter doors to secure the entry and installed a very complex ventilation system to try and hide the smell of the growing of the plants.

"And this has all been done under the watchful eyes of the people in the business centre."

If you go to bbc.co.uk, and type cannabis in the search engine, and click News, there are large commercial grow ops done by Vietnamese gangs uncovered almost daily in Britain!

 

[British_Bulldog]

But this has got to be one of the best!

Underground drugs factory found

Eight large cargo containers were found buried at the site



Video of Factory Find here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/sussex/7320358.stm


Discovery of factory
A massive underground drugs factory, where hundreds of cannabis plants were nurtured, has been found by police.

Eight shipping container units had been buried to contruct a labyrinth of plant-growing chambers.

The whole complex had then been covered by a layer of earth several feet thick - with just one container and a caravan left above ground in the Sussex field.

Police uncovered the site, which contained 300 plants, after a fire in the caravan at Goddards Green.

Officers are now guarding the site, which was connected to an electric generator.
This is clearly the undertaking of more than one person

Sussex Police

It is believed the drug gang scrambled down into the underground complex through a hatch cut in the bottom of the container unit which was in a field.

Once down below, the plants were cultivated using artificial lighting and the gang members could move between the container units, which were inter-connected by ladders and hatches.

A spokesman for Sussex Police said the site appeared to have been "deliberately designed" for producing illegal drugs.

He said the operation to move and bury the cargo containers - and to arrange a large generator providing heat and light - would have been a "significant undertaking".

Cabling was found connecting the generator with the underground units at the site on land close to Leigh Water Mill Farm on Cuckfield Road, between Ansty and Hickstead.


A ladder led from the overground unit to an underground container

The spokesman said: "This is clearly the undertaking of more than one person and would have taken a period of time and numerous resources to construct."

Forensic examination of the site is still under way and a "high volume" of specialist fire and police officers have been involved in making the site safe, he added.

He said there have been two suspected arson incidents at the site in the past month, and work is under way to find if they are linked to the factory.

No-one has been arrested, but police are hoping witnesses who may have seen unusual activity will come forward.

Officers also want to speak to professionals who may have been involved in the supply of materials unknowingly.