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Good Call.. I said my piece. back to commerical growing.
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BrainOGrefuGee
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yea....back on topic.....my advice for someone just starting to go "big" is to stay in soil...this way you have a buffer....
see with hydro you can lose a whole crop within hours if something goes wrong...imagine putting all your money into going big and losing your first crop due to malfunction or whatever..then imagine counting on that crop for rent, bills, or whatever...boo-hoo sorry for you
stay in soil and if something goes wrong you will at least have a chance to correct it without losing your entire crop...
see with hydro you can lose a whole crop within hours if something goes wrong...imagine putting all your money into going big and losing your first crop due to malfunction or whatever..then imagine counting on that crop for rent, bills, or whatever...boo-hoo sorry for you
stay in soil and if something goes wrong you will at least have a chance to correct it without losing your entire crop...
Well soil is hard to transition away from when you start with it. It's good to keep some soil momma backups if you absolutely have to, but it requires alot of hands on attention. If you can become proficient with smaller hydro setups, then you should be o.k. working with bigger ones. Hell, if you can work a small "Emily's Farm" type of Ebb and Flow setup...why can't you crack out a ton of 4 x 4 tables with large 70 gallon reservoirs?
Technically the "first crop" shouldn't be your money crop. Time should be taken to develop a stabile and desireable strain. Work out the kinks and throw it into high gear when you've developed a comfortable flow. With even a small to modest setup, the "startup" for a commercial operation should be markedly less difficult and much more rapid.
Technically the "first crop" shouldn't be your money crop. Time should be taken to develop a stabile and desireable strain. Work out the kinks and throw it into high gear when you've developed a comfortable flow. With even a small to modest setup, the "startup" for a commercial operation should be markedly less difficult and much more rapid.
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the book Budding prospects was a good book ? 
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jackhammer
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Remembering that over 99 plants gets you a minimum of five years, what constitutes a plant according to the feds?
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soil is not good for a large grow, think of the root balls!!
Everyone I know that grows commercially grows with soiless mix such as Promix. I am sure many other growers prefer hydro, but in my circle up here in Canada we use Promix religiously. I like Promix because it is cheap to set up a fairly efficient grow and it doesn't require much equpiment. It is a pain getting rid of the root balls and used up soil, but there is something with every grow that has to be disposed of.
What I think is a great way to do a larger grow is off the grid with a diesel generator. I have a friend that purchased a $20,000.00 generator and placed it in a barn at the back of his house. He has 20 - 1000 watt HPS going and pulls off almost 40 pounds every 2 months like clock work. There is quite a large amount of over-head as he has to pay for the diesel, but obviously the pay out is very lucrative. I believe the generator he has is one called a Whisper Generator, the company that makes it I am not sure of. I do know it is very reliable and he has been running it in a flip-flop system non-stop for over a year now.
If I were to do this I would purchase another generator after the first or second crop so that I have one as a backup. The amount of diesel he uses I am not too sure of, but I know it is way less than what he expected it would be to run. This is the only way to go if your going to do a large grow. If no one else knows and only you there is really not much chance in getting busted. You would have to have a fire or something something similar. Busts usually happen because of power consumption or rats. If your the only one that knows and your off the grid I would say your chances of pulling the grow off for a couple years to be extremely good.
Anyone have any information on generators they would like to add. These play a big part in any large scale grow op.
TGT
What I think is a great way to do a larger grow is off the grid with a diesel generator. I have a friend that purchased a $20,000.00 generator and placed it in a barn at the back of his house. He has 20 - 1000 watt HPS going and pulls off almost 40 pounds every 2 months like clock work. There is quite a large amount of over-head as he has to pay for the diesel, but obviously the pay out is very lucrative. I believe the generator he has is one called a Whisper Generator, the company that makes it I am not sure of. I do know it is very reliable and he has been running it in a flip-flop system non-stop for over a year now.
If I were to do this I would purchase another generator after the first or second crop so that I have one as a backup. The amount of diesel he uses I am not too sure of, but I know it is way less than what he expected it would be to run. This is the only way to go if your going to do a large grow. If no one else knows and only you there is really not much chance in getting busted. You would have to have a fire or something something similar. Busts usually happen because of power consumption or rats. If your the only one that knows and your off the grid I would say your chances of pulling the grow off for a couple years to be extremely good.
Anyone have any information on generators they would like to add. These play a big part in any large scale grow op.
TGT
TGT said:
A friend does a large grow with generators but does not "love them" ... I was asking him about the experiences he has had and he was groaning a lot, [not totally unusual TBH....] it seems they are not too reliable and use lots of diesel, after trying many,he now swears by Caterpillar over any other. He is running 25 to 100 KVA sets BTW, laughs if you mention petrol and is in teh UK.
His recommendation was "if you want to do a commercial grow, sod gennies, get an industrial unit with 3 phase" ... but I realise that is only an answer relevant to some people. Another mate who is a roadie and has massive gennie experience says similar things, they are not as simple as you might think.
OriginalyPosted said:the book Budding prospects was a good book ?
I do not remember it so much as a good book, but as a grower I learned a lot from it, especially about large scale outdoor grows.....applicable to this thread......every little bit of knowledge counts,
you are not always alone, even in a wilderness,
lying to people is easy, getting away with it, hard.
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TGT said:
Those are the ones.. The Whisper quiet.. some have 30000KWH capacity..
http://www.norwall.com/index.php
Umberger20
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Re: lying and getting away with it
Well remember this, that every good lie is based on the truth, and you need to look them straight in the eye, without rubbing under your nose (body language for lying).
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LiLWaynE said:
Well remember this, that every good lie is based on the truth, and you need to look them straight in the eye, without rubbing under your nose (body language for lying).
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BrainOGrefuGee said:
I have never grown with soil. But I just did a bunch of pots for the wifes garden and what a PITA that is. I would never grow indoors with soil.
With Hydroton you can just rinse it and reuse it. Much easier to work with IMO
I'll have to say do not count on income for a while unless you are well experienced in growing and just plan on going bigger. Everything took longer than expected. I cant believe it but my grow has been a YEAR since I started building the room. And only now is it starting to fire on all cylinders.
There is a generator thread here somewhere that had a ton of info.
British_Bulldog said:
So true but ill have to agree to disagree with you.
Hands down there is no such thing as a good lie. Its down right the truth. Its so damn believable u believe it too.
How is it done u might ask. Simple tell the truth. Don't add nothing just subtract incriminating information.
Even if u get away with it dont celebrate ur victory, still and always follow ur story, never change ur story, never add nothing to ur story, All ways the same shit over and over.
wafflehouselove
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The gov can lie but of course everybody knows the truth lol so who the hell do you think you are to tell a good lie. peace.
Btw the thing aboit coco being reuse i dont think that's such a good idea dude.
Btw the thing aboit coco being reuse i dont think that's such a good idea dude.
wafflehouselove
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im sure i haven't for the first time experiencing with coco tek mats and i love them so far, haven't went through a full harvest with them yet. But i ask myself if they give you problems or not, and if that comes in the way and you have to spend more time then your obviously wasting time and time = money in commercial. So everything has a up and down can you tell us about the down in reusing coco in every detail since you or you all seem to know it all.
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