Snype's RDWC Construction Tutorial For 250 Watts - 7,600 Watts!

[ChemDoubleDs]

Haha okay.

Snype the washers will be here Saturday and the system will be complete and running back by Sunday so I will let you know about their functionality. Finally got confirmation that my tray kid has shipped from Botanicare. As of two days ago, they had 49 left in stock and will not be producing any. You manage to work something out with them yet?

 

[Snype]

Haha okay.

Snype the washers will be here Saturday and the system will be complete and running back by Sunday so I will let you know about their functionality. Finally got confirmation that my tray kid has shipped from Botanicare. As of two days ago, they had 49 left in stock and will not be producing any. You manage to work something out with them yet?

Nice! I'm not really in a rush to deal with Botanicare knowing that those 49 tray lids will be sitting around for a while. My main focus right now is trying to finish the construction of the new 16,000 watt flowering room and take care of existing crops.

 

[ChemDoubleDs]

I feel you on that. 16K? Shit son!!! That's a lotta pot haha. Good luck with all that, I'm sure you've been seriously busy. Too bad the timing never worked out, woulda loved an opportunity to learn from something like that.

 

[ChemDoubleDs]

Sounds like the dreams you've had for the ultimate flowering room iarr coming true for you. Good stuff!

 

[michori]

Tratare de ponerlo en practica,saludos desde argentina

 

[Smplfrmr]

16k dreams

16k dreams

I am adding 3k this turn bringing the entire grow up to 5k with veg... So 16k is a ways off. Be fun to see though.

 

[BuddyCrocka]

Whats up. First time poster here im usually on a different site.

First off love this system. Ive grown in almost all methods exept dwc/rdwc over the years. Currenty using aero setup now but was wondering how do feel about a 4 week veg from rooted clone in your system? Is that enough to fill the space etc? How long do you veg?

Also have you guys tried using uniseals? They look like those washers but they fit inside the whole and you slide the pipe through and it create a seal. Just google uniseal if your not familiar with them.


Also

 

[Snype]

Whats up. First time poster here im usually on a different site.

First off love this system. Ive grown in almost all methods exept dwc/rdwc over the years. Currenty using aero setup now but was wondering how do feel about a 4 week veg from rooted clone in your system? Is that enough to fill the space etc? How long do you veg?

Also have you guys tried using uniseals? They look like those washers but they fit inside the whole and you slide the pipe through and it create a seal. Just google uniseal if your not familiar with them.


Also

If you were to VEG in the system for a month, the pipes could get clogged with roots. I like to veg for no more than 2 weeks in the RDWC systems. It doesn't take long to fill the space if you know what you're doing.

As far as uniseals, they do better in a trash can.

 

[The Doktor]

Uniseals are great on flat surfaces (square containers) but not that great with round surfaces like a 5 gallon bucket. I use flat sided containers and have Uniseals on mine as well without a single drip as well as the new UC threaded bulkheads in reserve in case I ever need to swap them out or expand. 5 gallon buckets are soooo 5 years ago.

 

[Smplfrmr]

5 Gallon Buckets

5 Gallon Buckets

Cheap, available, reliable, easy to find, easy to modify, and for the most part identically interchangeable. I dare u to find a woman that good. Some things never go out style. Just saying.

 

[The Doktor]

Those are the kind of women I want nothing to do with. It's about personal standards I guess. Also, not to put too much of a fine point on the problem with your post is that there are more people with problems with their 5 gallon buckets than you can shake a stick at. Hell, even in this thread there are pages filled with problems sourcing parts to fit around the precious 5 gallon bucket problems. So there is a definite flaw with your assumption there. I get where you are coming from, but it is a logical fallacy to revolve the entire system around the most problematic part: The Bucket. People including myself have spent obscene amounts of time working around the problems they create when the easiest thing I did was get a better bucket. After that, everything got a lot more easy and less stressful and was able to explore different configurations that 5 gallon buckets just cannot provide. Again, it comes down to personal preference and standards. I have my personal bar set pretty high, so there's that.

 

[Smplfrmr]

Perspective

Perspective

I guess if I have had trouble with them I suppose I may sing a different tune. But it was fairly simple to overcome the shape with the right parts all of witch I found at a big box store locally. My bud system uses square containers though, but my next one I am using 20 gallon brute Garbage cans. No challenge no fun. Of course I have the luxury of my grow being my only job.

 

[Snype]

Those are the kind of women I want nothing to do with. It's about personal standards I guess. Also, not to put too much of a fine point on the problem with your post is that there are more people with problems with their 5 gallon buckets than you can shake a stick at. Hell, even in this thread there are pages filled with problems sourcing parts to fit around the precious 5 gallon bucket problems. So there is a definite flaw with your assumption there. I get where you are coming from, but it is a logical fallacy to revolve the entire system around the most problematic part: The Bucket. People including myself have spent obscene amounts of time working around the problems they create when the easiest thing I did was get a better bucket. After that, everything got a lot more easy and less stressful and was able to explore different configurations that 5 gallon buckets just cannot provide. Again, it comes down to personal preference and standards. I have my personal bar set pretty high, so there's that.

There's no problem with round buckets as long as you tighten them properly. I've used unseals many times on square buckets. They eventually leak when you have lots of buckets. You don't know what you are talking about. All the parts in this thread are easily available. If you like unseals then use them but lots of people don't like to use them. If they work for you that's great. You should go start your own unseal thread. Or better yet, start a grow journal and show us how it's done.

 

[The Doktor]

Hold on Snype. Before you start slinging mud, you may want to watch what you write. Remember it wasn't that long ago when you had to go into hiding because the forum caught your in another one of your bullshit lying festivals that I would make no bones about putting on front street for all to see. So before you start telling someone that they don't know what they are talking about I suggest you check yourself. I have never said anything derogatory to you and demand that same respect back. Maybe it's you that doesn't know what you are talking about especially after your bullshit answer when I proved that your precious Alita pumps were inferior to the Danners with the actual device performance ratings. But you didn't want to hear any of that. And if all of these parts are just so readily available then why are you having such a hard time finding washers? And now you want to give me shit and tell me to start another thread? Where were you telling everyone else to do that when they asked about parts? You didn't tell them to start their own thread. Wow bro, you are a real hypocrite when someone says something you don't want to hear.

 

[Snype]

Hold on Snype. Before you start slinging mud, you may want to watch what you write. Remember it wasn't that long ago when you had to go into hiding because the forum caught your in another one of your bullshit lying festivals that I would make no bones about putting on front street for all to see. So before you start telling someone that they don't know what they are talking about I suggest you check yourself. I have never said anything derogatory to you and demand that same respect back. Maybe it's you that doesn't know what you are talking about especially after your bullshit answer when I proved that your precious Alita pumps were inferior to the Danners with the actual device performance ratings. But you didn't want to hear any of that. And if all of these parts are just so readily available then why are you having such a hard time finding washers? And now you want to give me shit and tell me to start another thread? Where were you telling everyone else to do that when they asked about parts? You didn't tell them to start their own thread. Wow bro, you are a real hypocrite when someone says something you don't want to hear.

I already explained to you why you were wrong about Danner Pumps being inferior to Alita Pumps. Here are the quotes to refresh your memory:

Hey Snype, I know you love the Danner mag pumps, yet you do not mention their Pondmaster line of air pumps. Performance to price ratio, the Pondmaster Ap-100 is hands down superior to anything Alita makes anymore. Their specs are tremendous when compared side by side.

I don't think the specs you read tell the whole story. The Alita AL-80 looks comparable to the Pondmaster AP-60. The pondmaster is rated for 90 L/Min while the Alita is rated for 85 LPM. The main difference is in the rated pressures of both pumps. The Alita is rated at 2.18 psi while the Pondmaster is rated at 5.66 psi but both pumps put out a similar rated L/min of air. Also the Pondmaster is louder than the Alita. I think because of the pressure rating of the Pondmaster being so high, it also puts out more heat than the Alita. Personally, I'd rather stick with Alita Pumps which utilize lower pressures to achieve a similar rate of air.

I'm also not the biggest fan of Danner's Mag Pumps but they are the only ones that I know about. They are very cheaply made and can break easily.

And another quote regarding where people can get the washers:

Sorry i hadnt gotten back to you sooner. I dont have a part number from them but i can tell you exactly whats on the invoice.

Washer 3/16" thickness x 1-7/8"IDx2-1/4"OD Neoprene, BLack 60-70durometer Quantity 250 Price 25.00
UPS Shipping $11.72
Total Due: $36.72

Its reliantrubberco.com. They respond fast and answer the phone when you call.

Overall as a customer id give them a 10/10 no problems whatsoever and price is fantastic.

Id ask about 50 durometer though. I forgot to mention that so i got 60s and they are a little on the hard side. I really had to tighten the nuts with channel locks to prevent leaks. 60s did work fine though after being tightened.

There are also plenty of people in my threads that have had problems with uniseals. It's all contained in the thread. I don't know why you're getting bent out of shape talking about uniseals and round buckets. I'm sure you can think of better ways to spend your time. Plenty of people are having success in these systems. That's one of the reasons this thread has so many views.

Now take some advice from yourself:

I happened to enjoy this thread until it got derailed into a washer thread.

Now you're derailing the thread. Please move on. I'm sure you'll be back though judging from your post history. Welcome to my ignore list. Don't feed the trolls!

 

[Meison]

Just my 2c, where I live there are no unseals or traps to fit the buckets.

Square buckets is utopia to find, they do make them but none with lids. Lucky for me I can say I check all companies that make buckets around since there are less than 10.

So I got stuck with parts that don't exist, but this system is so dynamic that can be mod to your needs.

I manage to get washers custom made ($$$$) for a tank adapter that fit my needs, and if tighten properly they will mold the bucket wall till is straight flat! No leaks!

Its a matter of taste, either you do it Snype ways or your own way. But for sure Snype's RDWC is a great guide to find your own way!

Soon pics of the first RDWC grow

 

[The Doktor]

Well Snype, perhaps you need a refresher on a few things.

With regards to your OPINION on the air pumps. You should know that unless you possess and have used both pumps, you CANNOT make a review claim on a product.

"I don't think the specs you read tell the whole story. The Alita AL-80 looks comparable to the Pondmaster AP-60. The pondmaster is rated for 90 L/Min while the Alita is rated for 85 LPM. The main difference is in the rated pressures of both pumps. The Alita is rated at 2.18 psi while the Pondmaster is rated at 5.66 psi but both pumps put out a similar rated L/min of air. Also the Pondmaster is louder than the Alita. I think because of the pressure rating of the Pondmaster being so high, it also puts out more heat than the Alita.[ Personally, I'd rather stick with Alita Pumps which utilize lower pressures to achieve a similar rate of air. I'm also not the biggest fan of Danner's Mag Pumps but they are the only ones that I know about. They are very cheaply made and can break easily.

These are not the specs of the equipment that you are citing but your own personal thoughts about the product and do not reflect the products performance no matter how much you think you know about the product. So let me take you to school on something. You couldn't be more wrong. I have both pumps and the sound levels are the exact same as well as the pumps temps. What makes it a superior product is the higher SP rating and in case you didn't know, that is because when you are using large air diffusers (stones) they require a higher SP rating to match their bell curve performance. Alitas are just not up to the task. They are overpriced for their performance and yesterdays tech. Higher cost does not equal higher performance.
Next we can discuss your point on ALL of the people you say that have problems with Uniseals. If you go and look at all of the posts of all of the people that have problems with them it comes down to just 2 problems. Using them on 5 gallon buckets and incorrect installation.
But finally, if your only recourse is to call me a troll and put me on the ignore list shows that this is less about an open discussion about the system or the "facts" as you deem them. And to think that I used to give you mad fucking respect and talked good shit about your tutorials on other boards. Won't happen anymore. That I can guarantee!

 

[Snype]

Specifications on Alita Air Pumps vs Danner Pondmaster Air Pumps

Alita AL-40
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_040u_en.php
Rated Performance: 48 lpm (2929 cu.in/min)
Pressure: 2.18 psi
Sound Level: 36 dB

Alita AL-60
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_040u_en.php
Rated Performance: 68 lpm (4150 cu.in/min)
Pressure: 2.18 psi
Sound Level: 38 dB

Alita AL-80
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_040u_en.php
Rated Performance: 85 lpm (5187 cu.in/min)
Pressure: 2.18 psi
Sound Level: 39 dB

Alita AL 150
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_100u_en.php
Rated Performance: 160 lpm (9764 cu.in/min)
Pressure: 2.9 psi
Sound Level: 44 dB

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-40
http://www.dannermfg.com/Store/Products/Danner/PID-04540.aspx
Rated Performance: 47.5 lpm / 2900 cu.in/min
Pressure: 5.89 psi
Sound Level: 40 dB

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-60
http://www.dannermfg.com/Store/Products/Danner/PID-04560.aspx
Rated Performance: 90 lpm / 5500 cu.in/min
Pressure: 5.66 psi
Sound Level: 45 dB

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-100
https://www.dannermfg.com/Store/products/danner/PID-04580.aspx
Rated Performance: 150 lpm / 9150 cu.in/min
Pressure: 6.53 psi
Sound Level: 45 dB

Comparisons
When you buy an air pump for RDWC, we match that up to how many Liters / min of air that we need for the system. I'll list the Danner Pump first and then list the comparable Alita based on a comparable L/min rating:

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-40 (47.5 L/min)
comparable to:
Alita AL 40 (48 L/min)
As you can see from the above specifications that the Pondmaster Pump is 4 dB louder than the Alita Pump. The Pondmaster produces almost 3 times more pressure than the Alita which means that the Pondmaster produces more heat.

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-60 (90 L/min)
comparable to:
Alita AL 80 (85 L/min)
As you can see from the above specifications that the Pondmaster Pump is 6 dB louder than the Alita Pump. The Pondmaster produces over 2 times more pressure than the Alita which means that the Pondmaster produces more heat.

PONDMASTER AIR PUMP AP-100 (150 L/min)
comparable to:
Alita AL-150 (150 L/min)
As you can see from the above specifications that the Pondmaster Pump is 1 dB louder than the Alita Pump. The Pondmaster produces over 2 times more pressure than the Alita which means that the Pondmaster produces more heat.

Final Notes:
The real story besides the Pondmaster Pumps being louder than Alita is the amount of pressure that Pondmaster Pumps need to achieve the L/min of air. Pondmaster pumps use much higher pressures which in return generates more heat. For those who don't know, pressure produces heat so the more pressure that a pump takes to perform, produces more heat. This is why I'd rather use Alita Pumps as opposed to Danner Pondmasters because Alita pumps produce air with lower rated pressures which produce less heat. That's why I stopped using all those cheap air pumps that they have at grow shops because they are run at such high pressures compared to how much air they generate.

Well Snype, perhaps you need a refresher on a few things.

With regards to your OPINION on the air pumps. You should know that unless you possess and have used both pumps, you CANNOT make a review claim on a product.

"I don't think the specs you read tell the whole story. The Alita AL-80 looks comparable to the Pondmaster AP-60. The pondmaster is rated for 90 L/Min while the Alita is rated for 85 LPM. The main difference is in the rated pressures of both pumps. The Alita is rated at 2.18 psi while the Pondmaster is rated at 5.66 psi but both pumps put out a similar rated L/min of air. Also the Pondmaster is louder than the Alita. I think because of the pressure rating of the Pondmaster being so high, it also puts out more heat than the Alita.[ Personally, I'd rather stick with Alita Pumps which utilize lower pressures to achieve a similar rate of air. I'm also not the biggest fan of Danner's Mag Pumps but they are the only ones that I know about. They are very cheaply made and can break easily.

These are not the specs of the equipment that you are citing but your own personal thoughts about the product and do not reflect the products performance no matter how much you think you know about the product. So let me take you to school on something. You couldn't be more wrong. I have both pumps and the sound levels are the exact same as well as the pumps temps. What makes it a superior product is the higher SP rating and in case you didn't know, that is because when you are using large air diffusers (stones) they require a higher SP rating to match their bell curve performance. Alitas are just not up to the task. They are overpriced for their performance and yesterdays tech. Higher cost does not equal higher performance.
Next we can discuss your point on ALL of the people you say that have problems with Uniseals. If you go and look at all of the posts of all of the people that have problems with them it comes down to just 2 problems. Using them on 5 gallon buckets and incorrect installation.
But finally, if your only recourse is to call me a troll and put me on the ignore list shows that this is less about an open discussion about the system or the "facts" as you deem them. And to think that I used to give you mad fucking respect and talked good shit about your tutorials on other boards. Won't happen anymore. That I can guarantee!

And lastly, I do own a few Undercurrent 8 Gallon systems that I paid thousands of dollars for. They came with square buckets and 2" uniseals. Guess what, over time the uniseals started leaking. I'm not the only one with that problem. That problem is also documented at "The Farm" (competitor website) from many other people. Lots of UC's ended up in the trash for 2 reasons. 1) Uniseals and 2) Root Rot issues due to low D.O. rates due to not enough air. To be fair, they did switch out the Uniseals for bulkheads which took a long time for them to do. If Uniseals were so great they would have stuck with them instead of making a change to bulkheads.

The majority of people who want to build RDWC systems want to save as much money as possible without sacrificing quality. Square buckets cost a lot more money compared to $3 round 5 Gallon buckets. They also make net pots that fit right on top of the 5 Gallon Round Buckets which are also really cheap. Most people don't want to have to try and make their own square lid as well.

This thread is dedicated to RDWC systems that are very economical. It is not dedicated to warehouse growers who have access to lots more money to spend. If anyone was going to try to grow bigger plants, then they would need bigger square buckets and larger pipes and my system would not work for them because my buckets are too small and round. For the application that I speck of in this thread, the parts that I listed are correct.

 

[The Doktor]

 

[GET MO]

subbed for future reading. always wanted to try dwc this will be what i read when i do it!