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HappyTreeFarm
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Happy,
You have a significant issue with bicarbonates in your water. That will cause you to have Ca issues even with high Ca in the soil.
HappyTreeFarm
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so does that mean add gypsum..... what about the Na content
The sodium levels are fairly low. That doesn't bother me.
Do you have a soil analysis of what you are farming in?
HappyTreeFarm
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yes i will post it, when i get a break in the bad weather i will take a new one with spectrum, the Ph came back 7.8 so i don't feel the #s are right from my M3 test
HappyTreeFarm
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so I'm building my GH right now, i haven't replanted in the soil yet. after this test i added 32 lbs of gypsum for 50 yards of soil. which is a 1/3 lighter mix than my soil test asked for, because these guys got me worried that my soil was lighter than the 2,000,000 lbs per acre furrow slice. also my Ph is so high I'm kinda glad i only did that from what I've read and learned about calcareous soils lately
also 1/3 cup per yard of azomite
in the next couple weeks i want to retest with spectrum and see what we get
also 1/3 cup per yard of azomite
in the next couple weeks i want to retest with spectrum and see what we get
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HappyTreeFarm
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do you know if the mineral content of well water changes during different seasons? or can i rely on my test being constant all year
Test your ppms and pH and write it down. If the numbers move, get another water analysis.
HappyTreeFarm
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thank you much appreciated slow N
so I'm building my GH right now, i haven't replanted in the soil yet. after this test i added 32 lbs of gypsum for 50 yards of soil. which is a 1/3 lighter mix than my soil test asked for, because these guys got me worried that my soil was lighter than the 2,000,000 lbs per acre furrow slice. also my Ph is so high I'm kinda glad i only did that from what I've read and learned about calcareous soils lately
also 1/3 cup per yard of azomite
in the next couple weeks i want to retest with spectrum and see what we get
Azomite is full of aluminum. Rethink that one.
You are a real predicament going on. Your soil pH is very high. Low EC and your calcium is already super low. That high Mg is a big problem. Things are going to stay pretty wet down below and hard to dry out.
I question how you took the samples? Did you take the sample? If so, please explain what you did. Depths etc.
Maybe you should be asking the guys at AEA or their local rep for this help. Seems you are already in their camp.
You not happy with your results or what?
HappyTreeFarm
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the aluminum is only available at low Ph right? the reason for that was to us up what I've got. i will stop using that shit if its a total no no. possibility that i didn't take the sample right, this is my second time sampling. i took a hand shovel and cleaned it off, i tried to include soil from the surface all the way down to the depth of 8"-10" of the soil and took from about 5 different locations mixed them together in a clean 5 gallon bucket. then bagged it up. also to note there were some roots in the sample. also no plants growing in the medium when i took the sample
there is most definitely room for improvement. i haven't implemented the aea line i will be going with yet. not until my structure is finished. up until this point my quality has always been phenomenal but I've always lacked in the yields to match. with that being said I've been researching a lot and reading in here for a much better understanding of whats happening in the soil profile
So will gypsum kick Mg off those sites? maybe i need to add more than what i did. the medium has received a lot of water since this last test, I'm hoping that will leach out a lot of what has built up. I'm curious how my next test results will show up.
also the AEA guys in the office aren't as knowledgeable as i would like....
i plan on getting a spectrum test done with the elevated ph AA soon
there is most definitely room for improvement. i haven't implemented the aea line i will be going with yet. not until my structure is finished. up until this point my quality has always been phenomenal but I've always lacked in the yields to match. with that being said I've been researching a lot and reading in here for a much better understanding of whats happening in the soil profile
So will gypsum kick Mg off those sites? maybe i need to add more than what i did. the medium has received a lot of water since this last test, I'm hoping that will leach out a lot of what has built up. I'm curious how my next test results will show up.
also the AEA guys in the office aren't as knowledgeable as i would like....
i plan on getting a spectrum test done with the elevated ph AA soon
HappyTreeFarm
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high Mg and high bicarbonates hmmm
Here is my experience with small indoor grow where some soils were deficient in micros. I've used earth juice microblast with fair results I think their formula is a little off. When I have yellowish tops Iron zinc supplement always helped. I've recently looked into flowers kiss as a foliar. I just experimented with a little the other day. I'll report the results. It's labeled as a foliar spray but I was thinking it might be better as a soil drench. What do you guys think? I know I need to start buying individual micros and apply only whats needed and I will for outside. I'm looking for a good source now. But for a quick fix for indoor bagged soils maybe flowers kiss is good. Here's the link to labels for fffk and liquinox. I am not advertising them just showing a formula that works for me on the liquinox and testing the fffk
http://www.liquinox.com/iron.html
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenewals/documentsubmit/KellyData/ND%5CFertilizer%5CProduct%20Label%5CBUSHDOCTOR_FLOWERS_KISS_1__3__05_6_4_2012_12_37_04_PM.pdf
http://www.liquinox.com/iron.html
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenewals/documentsubmit/KellyData/ND%5CFertilizer%5CProduct%20Label%5CBUSHDOCTOR_FLOWERS_KISS_1__3__05_6_4_2012_12_37_04_PM.pdf
Aluminum becomes toxic IN AN ALKALINE SOIL when there are bicarbonates and you lower the pH more than half a point or so. This is the danger of using N-phuric or sulfuric acid. This form of toxicity of Aluminum happens to be one of the most toxic forms! AlOH aluminium hydroxide! Took me 16 years to learn that one.... Only one article ever posted that I can find, from 1929 at the Univ of Arizona.... Had to convince the librarian to scan it, digitize it and send it to me in Peru!
There are lots of good rock dusts. Gypsum, calcium carbonate, soft rock phosphate, basalt, just to name a few. Pick your dust wisely.
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Cali,
What pH are you in? Do you have a soil analysis? Fe deficiencies do happen. Not as often as folks might think though.
Iron chlorosis and toxicity look identical. Hard to distinguish between the two. Many products mix Fe and Mn in their formulations. Often you can have iron toxicity due to manganese deficiency. Apply a product with Fe and Mn, the plant responds. Yet everyone starts talking about Fe deficiency. Seen it way too many times, especially in sugar cane. Fields with heavy yellowing on the new growth, they spray Fe and it responds. Fe toxicity usually means the Fe has 3 charges instead of 2 charges. The iron salesman say that your plant has a problem and needs more.... Fe+3 in a plant is because of manganese deficiency, not because a plant forgot which Fe to pick up. Salesmen....
That kiss product has a lot of Na in it. 1000 ppm. Not sure why they would do that.
The other product from Liquinox is a EDTA chelate. The size of that EDTA molecule is huge. Look for Albion or Baicor chelates. They are amino acids and a fraction of the size of the EDTA molecule. EDTA is very old school technology from 30+ years ago. Now there are much better chelating agents available.
No problem. Good discussion.
HappyTreeFarm
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Thank you, i would love to read that article if its easy access. I truly appreciate your experience
MrBungle
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I used Planters II rock dust for awhile and like the results... reminds me I have to order some more..
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