Orechron, thanks again for nabbing me a pack of those Aficionados. I owe ya something for that, surely. Wife said I bought too many seeds, and brought back some great clones too from the friends and family. I dunno what seeds to start now either.
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Watch those anions in late flower. You want as little NO3, medium to low P2O5, and high SO4.
I've always been a fan of keeping em on the slightly yellow side of green. Yellow enough that if I apply aminos or nitrates, I see immidiate response but never N toxicity, claw or otherwise. Same goes with animals. You are healthier on the fit slightly hungry side than you are being obese.
That said, I've gotten away from Photomag or Mg foliars in general. Everytime I get my foliage to a nice lush green, the photomag just yellows em up and seems to slow em down. The hidden important elements in Photomag are actually Mo, Co, Ni, and B.
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If we run back to that article I posted, look at the negative correlation between N and Mg. Also look at the negative correlation with Mg and THC.....
Folks end up putting on way more N than they need cause they want to keep dumping all that Mg on.....
Ah, forgot to get cash from ya. No big, we'll figure it out.
Photomap really does a good job of scrubbing excess nitrate. I've had soil work so well by itself that added pmag wasn't a good thing.
As Orechron will tell you, this is about balance if you want to feed a plants during its most critical times to maximize your objective.
Where do the heavy feedings go wrong? When one insists applying more potassium and there isn't enough space for all that potassium.
Ask Jidoka.
So if you don't have any idea of where you are how can you really try to maximize where you want to go if you don't have a road map?
How come folks have too much nitrogen building up? Key word there is "building". I did this stupid error for more than 20 years. I was Mr. Magnesium. Didn't have enough in the foliar analysis, no problem, dump on more Mg. What happens when you do that? You lose your Nitrogen from the plant! The small quantity of nitrates in the soil isn't enough. The plant then responds to you putting on more.... and then it asks for more and more! It becomes a vicious circle with more and more N while putting on more and more Mg. The Mg plugs up the soil and then things start backing up quick. No air, anaerobic conditions and so on....
Funny if you think about it.
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Well slow I think I have broken my all time record yield/per plant, any one of the 3 might do it. I usually run a slight variation of LC mix recipe 1. Due to shitty bagged soil being to hot I killed all my plants and had to start over. Slow had me add 1 pound gypsum per cubic foot and then I flushed the medium down to .8-1 EC and let em rip... Straight un phed tap water almost the whole way through with a few foliars for micro issues. might have seen a little K deficiency at the very end. Fattest I ever got looks like...
I will get soil test done before I do another run.
5 foot string of goodness.
Done flying by my pants... This has been the fattest, stinkiest, most resin covered run yet. My harsh lateral training techniques did not slow her down one bit, huge knuckles forming from broken branches, sap oozing from every break... No leaf crinkle oddly enough and red/purple streak stems were nearly non existant, both gg4 is known for... she is a calcium hog man...
I will get soil test done before I do another run.
5 foot string of goodness.
Done flying by my pants... This has been the fattest, stinkiest, most resin covered run yet. My harsh lateral training techniques did not slow her down one bit, huge knuckles forming from broken branches, sap oozing from every break... No leaf crinkle oddly enough and red/purple streak stems were nearly non existant, both gg4 is known for... she is a calcium hog man...
Well slow I think I have broken my all time record yield/per plant, any one of the 3 might do it. I usually run a slight variation of LC mix recipe 1. Due to shitty bagged soil being to hot I killed all my plants and had to start over. Slow had me add 1 pound gypsum per cubic foot and then I flushed the medium down to .8-1 EC and let em rip... Straight un phed tap water almost the whole way through with a few foliars for micro issues. might have seen a little K deficiency at the very end. Fattest I ever got looks like...
I will get soil test done before I do another run.
5 foot string of goodness.
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Done flying by my pants... This has been the fattest, stinkiest, most resin covered run yet. My harsh lateral training techniques did not slow her down one bit, huge knuckles forming from broken branches, sap oozing from every break... No leaf crinkle oddly enough and red/purple streak stems were nearly non existant, both gg4 is known for... she is a calcium hog man...
Weight per light?
Smooth? Hack?
Guess I have to get on a plane to test....
Well slow I think I have broken my all time record yield/per plant, any one of the 3 might do it. I usually run a slight variation of LC mix recipe 1. Due to shitty bagged soil being to hot I killed all my plants and had to start over. Slow had me add 1 pound gypsum per cubic foot and then I flushed the medium down to .8-1 EC and let em rip... Straight un phed tap water almost the whole way through with a few foliars for micro issues. might have seen a little K deficiency at the very end. Fattest I ever got looks like...
I will get soil test done before I do another run.
5 foot string of goodness.
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=51793&pictureid=1690957&thumb=5]View Image[/url]
Done flying by my pants... This has been the fattest, stinkiest, most resin covered run yet. My harsh lateral training techniques did not slow her down one bit, huge knuckles forming from broken branches, sap oozing from every break... No leaf crinkle oddly enough and red/purple streak stems were nearly non existant, both gg4 is known for... she is a calcium hog man...
Merry Christmas!
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Well slow I think I have broken my all time record yield/per plant, any one of the 3 might do it. I usually run a slight variation of LC mix recipe 1. Due to shitty bagged soil being to hot I killed all my plants and had to start over. Slow had me add 1 pound gypsum per cubic foot and then I flushed the medium down to .8-1 EC and let em rip... Straight un phed tap water almost the whole way through with a few foliars for micro issues. might have seen a little K deficiency at the very end. Fattest I ever got looks like...
I will get soil test done before I do another run.
5 foot string of goodness.
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=51793&pictureid=1690957&thumb=5]View Image[/url]
Done flying by my pants... This has been the fattest, stinkiest, most resin covered run yet. My harsh lateral training techniques did not slow her down one bit, huge knuckles forming from broken branches, sap oozing from every break... No leaf crinkle oddly enough and red/purple streak stems were nearly non existant, both gg4 is known for... she is a calcium hog man...
Tony, Happy New Year, looking good!
so pls explain, whats your soil receipe? LC mix recipe one?
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yeah no need for a soil sample for this... he is switching soil anyway
for me its very clear,
you switched lights in the last days no?
bottom picture shows new growth looking more or less normal...
they arent getting or werent getting enough light for the high ec levels
pretty straight forward... took me a while to see it
Too much N and K, typical of commercial bagged soil mixes.
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the ones outside are doing fine, even slightly bleaching...
its cause of not enough light, yep and he might be slightly over watering as well...
but in his thread you can clearly see the problem as he has a pic of his space there, once he fixes that and gets lights level, things will improve
The reason your plants outside are doing better is called evaporation.
You are over watering and there is way too much K and most likely Mg versus Ca.
I would be using powdered milk and a good wash through with gypsum. But then again, seems I always say that, no?
But realize that a plant needs 10 to 12 times more Ca than K.
The new growth is showing classic calcium issues.
And I agree with TNT. Your lights ain't cutting it.
You are over watering and there is way too much K and most likely Mg versus Ca.
I would be using powdered milk and a good wash through with gypsum. But then again, seems I always say that, no?
But realize that a plant needs 10 to 12 times more Ca than K.
The new growth is showing classic calcium issues.
And I agree with TNT. Your lights ain't cutting it.
Yea I think its the lights, Im already working on it right now, and moving plants out and making my veg space twice the size(Basically). I dont think its over watering, I make sure pots are dry and always dig under the 1st couple inches to see if its moist or dry. I also weigh the pots by feel...
If A 1-Gallon Pot with about the same exact size plant in another 1-Gallon pot. Is getting more light then the other. Then im sure The plant in the pot with more light will use up more water and the pot will get dryer quicker.
The plants in the above pics where getting less light, and the soil in the pots stayed wet/moist for A couple more days longer.. So that could be the cause for the over watering look.. Well thats my hypothesis..
These girls are same strain, same pots, same soil, same water, and same feed.. But they are outside. When they where inside they where getting the droop as well.
I do think the ones in the post above, have A little to much nitrogen but shouldnt be enough to start the "Claw".. There sisters that are directly under the 400Watt MH and have LEDs about 2inches away pointed at the lower half of them. Look beautiful, and have almost no droop at all. They are also either just as dark or darker, so they are handling the same amount of nitrogen as the obes drooping but I guess they cant use it as quick as the others getting stronger light intensity
If A 1-Gallon Pot with about the same exact size plant in another 1-Gallon pot. Is getting more light then the other. Then im sure The plant in the pot with more light will use up more water and the pot will get dryer quicker.
The plants in the above pics where getting less light, and the soil in the pots stayed wet/moist for A couple more days longer.. So that could be the cause for the over watering look.. Well thats my hypothesis..
These girls are same strain, same pots, same soil, same water, and same feed.. But they are outside. When they where inside they where getting the droop as well.
I do think the ones in the post above, have A little to much nitrogen but shouldnt be enough to start the "Claw".. There sisters that are directly under the 400Watt MH and have LEDs about 2inches away pointed at the lower half of them. Look beautiful, and have almost no droop at all. They are also either just as dark or darker, so they are handling the same amount of nitrogen as the obes drooping but I guess they cant use it as quick as the others getting stronger light intensity
Damn Slo, I thought I got the calcium thing solved? I added gypsum and lime to some, and instead of lime I used Oyster shells for others...
I do agree with the lights though.. I'll be moving more plants outside to flower I guess. To create more room for the girls vegging inside. I dont have enough funds to buy the rest of the parts for my 315cmh. Maybe I could buy A cheap 400-600watter to add to my veg area?
Thanks A bunch you guys!!!
EDIT- OH and Slo what are you seeing that im not? In what pics or what plants do you see the calcium deficiency showing? I looked at a bunch of different calcium deficiency and toxicity examples. But I dont see anything that resembles it..
I do agree with the lights though.. I'll be moving more plants outside to flower I guess. To create more room for the girls vegging inside. I dont have enough funds to buy the rest of the parts for my 315cmh. Maybe I could buy A cheap 400-600watter to add to my veg area?
Thanks A bunch you guys!!!
EDIT- OH and Slo what are you seeing that im not? In what pics or what plants do you see the calcium deficiency showing? I looked at a bunch of different calcium deficiency and toxicity examples. But I dont see anything that resembles it..
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I forgot what thread ya'll were discussing leaf size in
Check out this deep chunk leaf
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOy4NIZAJrq/
Check out this deep chunk leaf
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOy4NIZAJrq/
Ok, so let me restate. Too much N and K for that amount of light and enviroment. At a greater rate of transpiration and photosynthesis, those amounts of N and K might be necessary, even not enough maybe. But under these circumstances, if you are unable to increase rates photosynthesis and transpiration, then lower your N and K, because the plant is exesively storing nutrients and not metabolising them.
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