Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[slownickel]

In S. Cal, I have a grower that has been using liquid gypsum and liquid bonemeal in a rockwool grow. The results are been pretty amazing to say the least. Provided that those growdan block sit on a larger one, the runoff of the gypsum and bonemeal has been a minimum. And since they drain to waste, the runoff is a non issue.

I had my doubts, but hey, what ever works! There are some samples to try in the next couple of weeks, stay tuned! The grower says it is the best he has ever grown and the buds are like rocks! Sound familiar?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

A great video to watch. Personally, I agree a bit more with Albrecht and Tiedjens.... closer to 85% Ca.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-aOvYH-HNQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fascinating. These guys really break it down to the nitty gritty and in a clear way. Thanks for posting it.

Anyone have the same kind of guys breaking all this info down for hydro? Element size effects on soil don't matter for me very much.

 

[slownickel]

Douglas,

Glad you enjoyed the explanation regarding soils!

The Univ of Florida team did a hydro program for tomatoes with more Ca than K. https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/cv216

Those that have had to accommodate into hydro grows have all been jacking the Ca and P up, as well as lowering Mg. Some don't want to talk about it... haha

Micros should also be played with, I have been taking babysteps with hydro grows as I really don't like them and have been literally pulled into it by established hydro operations that really don't want to get out of hydro.

 

[Dankwolf]

Thank you slow times are good

Thank you slow times are good



Soil is the only way to go

 

[led05]

Fascinating. These guys really break it down to the nitty gritty and in a clear way. Thanks for posting it.

Anyone have the same kind of guys breaking all this info down for hydro? Element size effects on soil don't matter for me very much.

it doesn't apply to hydro, where is the soil micelle ?

 

[led05]

Douglas,

Glad you enjoyed the explanation regarding soils!

The Univ of Florida team did a hydro program for tomatoes with more Ca than K. https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/cv216

Those that have had to accommodate into hydro grows have all been jacking the Ca and P up, as well as lowering Mg. Some don't want to talk about it... haha

Micros should also be played with, I have been taking babysteps with hydro grows as I really don't like them and have been literally pulled into it by established hydro operations that really don't want to get out of hydro.

grow some HOT peppers. above 500K scoville and you'll learn near EVERYTHING you can imagine in how to grow this plant....

everyone says tomato, nope, it's peppers.... they are identical in their hoglike Ca & P requirements.... they also love B, & Mn, go figure

Slo this isn't posted to you (your the choir) it's to others and hopefully helpful

https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/7e24de_2ee6e9d2606b4097a359c7798e6194fb.pdf

there is nothing better to get things pumping IMHO in young seedlings

 

[slownickel]

i ran scanner. it shows slow nickel has 2 girls. thats bullshit. u cant take a poverty girl like that ever once. the day you get a #1 girl from them you cant post again. like with gypsy and weed. thread is kinda a hoax. every guy with 2 girls taps out in the same places and times of year. proven fact. if ur not showing cash from grows then ur not really showing anything.

Maybe you should read more of the thread to get a better idea of what you are talking about. I am not a "grower", I am a farmer and have been making a living "farming" for many many years. And if you read close enough, all the growers that are listening are having great results. The couple of little plants that I grow are abandoned for weeks at a time as I am at one farm or another or travelling. Not my business, never said it was.

WOW! NOT SURE WHERE ARE NEWBY SLIGHTLY WENT, but he seems to be gone! Wonder if that was the magic boot?

 

[slownickel]

grow some HOT peppers. above 500K scoville and you'll learn near EVERYTHING you can imagine in how to grow this plant....

everyone says tomato, nope, it's peppers.... they are identical in their hoglike Ca & P requirements.... they also love B, & Mn, go figure

Slo this isn't posted to you (your the choir) it's to others and hopefully helpful

https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/7e24de_2ee6e9d2606b4097a359c7798e6194fb.pdf

there is nothing better to get things pumping IMHO in young seedlings

That is a great Baicor Ca product! We use it in Mexico.

 

[led05]

ok the poverty girl never heard of grower or farmer. tell me what you would tell her for the first time not 2 stories.

I rarely entertain things like this; but I do slightly miss Jidoka and gold & white or whatever the numerous aliases were....

slo wears big boy pants so I don't need to defend, I do this by choice and fun......

I agree, slo isn't a farmer but what slo does do is clear - GIVE more than he takes, what say you?

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Douglas,

Glad you enjoyed the explanation regarding soils!

The Univ of Florida team did a hydro program for tomatoes with more Ca than K. https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/cv216

Those that have had to accommodate into hydro grows have all been jacking the Ca and P up, as well as lowering Mg. Some don't want to talk about it... haha

Micros should also be played with, I have been taking babysteps with hydro grows as I really don't like them and have been literally pulled into it by established hydro operations that really don't want to get out of hydro.

Yes, it's fascinating how ratios of the elements change the composition of the soil. Greatly appreciate the link, I'll check it out for sure. (Btw: I'd be happy to walk you through how simple hydro can be. PM me.)

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[led05]

Yes, it's fascinating how ratios of the elements change the composition of the soil. Greatly appreciate the link, I'll check it out for sure. (Btw: I'd be happy to walk you through how simple hydro can be. PM me.)

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sadly, simplicity doesn't or never equals true quality, we've all done "hydro" normally where people "start" for a reason or simply for economics, this thread is purely and clearly about maximizing this plant in soil, dude CEC....

Not trying to be a dick even if being one but posting Hydro in here is like posting LED in a HPS forum...

I just re-read this AND it pisses me off.... I actually FULLY believe in simplicity, I just also FULLY know Hydro is a shortcut and waste of time if you care at all about the end user..... Go to the grocer, you see hydro tomatoes, they taste and deliver shit, my heirlooms on the other hand...... In a single tomato or pepper I givef you a 100x's nutrient density, if not more, I'm being conservative - btw, I'm planting 2K seedings today, what are you doing? I bet my GH's are pumping mid march and enjoying that HOT sun, if you aren't a farmer in the N you haven't a clue but the SUN already is getting hot.... believe that w - Feb 1 st ur date, that's the deal, things grow again ! N of 40 degrees but they will start now if in a tunnel in a tunnel, TY Elliot


this is proprietary shit, your seedlings will rock down to 25F , maybe even 22F.... Instagram that shit, nope it's useless like FB

 

[EasyGoing]

More please!

 

[Hermen_eutics]

You need to contact the lab and ask them to post the results to my account. They haven't done so.

Slow, can you say for sure that spectrum hasn`t posted my lab data to your account? Confusing because Mike Hall insists its there.

Apologies for the aggravation.

 

[slownickel]

Slow, can you say for sure that spectrum hasn`t posted my lab data to your account? Confusing because Mike Hall insists its there.

Apologies for the aggravation.

Found it. Had to download nearly 40 samples and then look to see which numbers matched. I didn't have anything to go by other than the numbers you posted.

Here are your calculated base distributions, but I really believe you got a mouthful of gypsum in there. Never seen 5000 ppm of S anywhere. Other than in a mouthful of gypsum. Your M3 calcium number is pretty high too, but again, I think it is the gypsum in the sample.

K% Mg% Ca % Na %
5.9% 15.8% 75.5% 2.7%

You have half the P you need.
Manganese (index) =38 You need Mn

Copper (index)=3.6 ok

Your soluble salts are at 1.92 pretty high, but it may be from that gypsum... any burning going on?

You could still use some more Ca, maybe some milk might work. A good fine grind bone meal would be excellent.

Was this a sifted sample?

 

[Hermen_eutics]

Found it. Had to download nearly 40 samples and then look to see which numbers matched. I didn't have anything to go by other than the numbers you posted.

Here are your calculated base distributions, but I really believe you got a mouthful of gypsum in there. Never seen 5000 ppm of S anywhere. Other than in a mouthful of gypsum. Your M3 calcium number is pretty high too, but again, I think it is the gypsum in the sample.

K% Mg% Ca % Na %
5.9% 15.8% 75.5% 2.7%

You have half the P you need.
Manganese (index) =38 You need Mn

Copper (index)=3.6 ok

Your soluble salts are at 1.92 pretty high, but it may be from that gypsum... any burning going on?

You could still use some more Ca, maybe some milk might work. A good fine grind bone meal would be excellent.

Was this a sifted sample?

Thanks so much for digging through those reports. I am very grateful for your review.

Ya it was a sifted sample. The material i sent passed through a fine chinoise.

I cant say if this mix will burn the plants because it is not currengly in use. I was gonna tweek it a little bit and then pot up in February. So far ive incorporated 1/4" scoria and rice hulls into the mix. This lightened it up quite a bit. Iveflushed it with r/o water that contains 5gm/gal of biomin Ca powder.

I have the Tainio product Spectrum PSB. I plant to do another flush before potting up using PSB spiked r/o water.

Im guessing that the tiny dosage of MnSo4 needed to bump up Mn wont mess much with already high S.

Ive got some granulated steamed bone meal (1-20-0+20%Ca) to incorporate when i up-pot to flowering bags.

Always apprciate feedback on my approach.

 

[growingcrazy]

sadly, simplicity doesn't or never equals true quality, we've all done "hydro" normally where people "start" for a reason or simply for economics, this thread is purely and clearly about maximizing this plant in soil, dude CEC....

Not trying to be a dick even if being one but posting Hydro in here is like posting LED in a HPS forum...

I just re-read this AND it pisses me off.... I actually FULLY believe in simplicity, I just also FULLY know Hydro is a shortcut and waste of time if you care at all about the end user..... Go to the grocer, you see hydro tomatoes, they taste and deliver shit, my heirlooms on the other hand...... In a single tomato or pepper I givef you a 100x's nutrient density, if not more, I'm being conservative - btw, I'm planting 2K seedings today, what are you doing? I bet my GH's are pumping mid march and enjoying that HOT sun, if you aren't a farmer in the N you haven't a clue but the SUN already is getting hot.... believe that w - Feb 1 st ur date, that's the deal, things grow again ! N of 40 degrees but they will start now if in a tunnel in a tunnel, TY Elliot


this is proprietary shit, your seedlings will rock down to 25F , maybe even 22F.... Instagram that shit, nope it's useless like FB

2 quick comments on hydro, since my daughter just learned buttons exist... lol

1. If you have your feed rates dialed for soil, hydro is rather simple to get dialed in also. I have a couple RDWC systems running the exact same components that I brew in a vortex brewer for soil applications, just different ratios.

2. What a waste of time hydro is. Cleaner for the staff, but otherwise a waste. Properly maintained soils, with an intelligent farmer will out perform hydro.


Slow, I like to see Cu at 10ppm, preferably 12-15. Can you explain why the 3.6 is "ok"?

Is this because you don't know the end users abilities in the given situation? If it were you, would you chase more Cu? I think I said that how I wanted...

 

[slownickel]

2 quick comments on hydro, since my daughter just learned buttons exist... lol

1. If you have your feed rates dialed for soil, hydro is rather simple to get dialed in also. I have a couple RDWC systems running the exact same components that I brew in a vortex brewer for soil applications, just different ratios.

2. What a waste of time hydro is. Cleaner for the staff, but otherwise a waste. Properly maintained soils, with an intelligent farmer will out perform hydro.


Slow, I like to see Cu at 10ppm, preferably 12-15. Can you explain why the 3.6 is "ok"?

Is this because you don't know the end users abilities in the given situation? If it were you, would you chase more Cu? I think I said that how I wanted...

Growing,

That Cu level I.mentioned was his indexed copper. That is a number you have never seen before. If you look at the soil analysis that he posted, the M3 Cu was 48.3 ppms. I worry about that index number... what do you think about that M3 number of 48.3 ppms of Cu? Would you add more?

 

[blkantha]

Growing,

That Cu level I.mentioned was his indexed copper. That is a number you have never seen before. If you look at the soil analysis that he posted, the M3 Cu was 48.3 ppms. I worry about that index number... what do you think about that M3 number of 48.3 ppms of Cu? Would you add more?

Indexes how it is calculated, any formula to use.
I believe indexes are done for Boron, Zn, Mn and Cu ? What about Fe ?

 

[slownickel]

Indexes how it is calculated, any formula to use.
I believe indexes are done for Boron, Zn, Mn and Cu ? What about Fe ?

The lab only runs two indexes, Cu and Mn and they won't give up the formula!

 

[growingcrazy]

Growing,

That Cu level I.mentioned was his indexed copper. That is a number you have never seen before. If you look at the soil analysis that he posted, the M3 Cu was 48.3 ppms. I worry about that index number... what do you think about that M3 number of 48.3 ppms of Cu? Would you add more?

Ahh, yes..yes... I have the equations that MSU uses but nothing from SA. Is this something they used years ago? Ill give Mike a call and see if He will discuss them.

48 is a bit much... Did Herman post his sample?