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Happytree, did you test Si in the Ca silicate soil? Results?

Yes i did, They didn't come out accurate to me with the logan labs test, could have been cause i did a AA 8.2 test instead of both M3 and AA on the base cations. Not sure if that is the truth don't have enough knowledge about the tests to say. But my ppms of Si were at 5.... and 9.5 on a soil i add very little Si to. Im curious if adding Si to my Spectrum testing in the future will be a good idea and what a good # to shoot for from their lab will be.
 

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I would not have hit the numers i have this year if it were not for this thread. I will ve hitting 12- 15 units a plant but that is far better then my 5.5 last year . hopefully if i send soil test in i will be able to balance my known to produce dank recipe with the high yeilding commercial side of things . my goal is still to brake 20 unit's a plant within 3 years and to brake the oregon record after 3 years.

My girls this year.

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Wow. Your the Paul Bunyan version of a weed grower. Here's a few pictures to keep yourself in check next time you feel like telling tall-tales. :tiphat:
 

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Happy,

Yes, the more varied our calcium sources, the better off we are.

And yes, predigested carbonate is a great source of Ca and the M3/AA8.2 Ca ratio will be tighter or closer.

Those that had old mixes had much higher Ca using [email protected] than those using just gypsum as their source. And it is a much more stable form of calcium, much less prone to leaching away.

Excuse my continuing lack of knowledge in my quest to be the grower I want to be. Can you or someone elaborate on predigested carbonate and what form it is available in for application.
 

hyposomniac

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Excuse my continuing lack of knowledge in my quest to be the grower I want to be. Can you or someone elaborate on predigested carbonate and what form it is available in for application.

Hello Stewart,
I do believe that the calcium is transformed into positively-charged calcium ions that bind to negatively-charged exchange sites on the compost or medium in which the digestion occurs, after the medium is saturated i reckon the ca ions sit in solution. I have been wondering this myself.

I accidentally predigested several things..this spring I was organizing my ferts. I had a bag each of blood meal, bone meal, staygreen brand calcium carbonate, half a sack of gypsum, and half a big sack of alfalfa.
I put them in a plastic tote behind the shed and forgot about it. Great anaerobic stink if disturbed.
Now its fall and I fished out the bags of caco3 and bone meal.. They look a nice dark muck. Lots of invertebrates.. Must be at least partially digested!

Just in time for my next mix. I intend to dry them out and mix with aerobic compost. Not sure if this is a necessary precaution.
 

EasyGoing

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What strain is that Jidoka? IMO, and maybe I missed most of your other posts, but that looks like the best stack and bud formation I have seen you post. (or 99% of growers for that matter) Nice job!

Is it just me, or did Oct and Jidoka just post some of the nicest pics on the planet? Maybe there is something to this high Ca gardening............
 

Dankwolf

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Wow. Your the Paul Bunyan version of a weed grower. Here's a few pictures to keep yourself in check next time you feel like telling tall-tales. :tiphat:

In check maybe as far as size . but out right unknowingly claiming some bullshit that you dont have a clue about is just sad . call me what you whant. i have seen you hard core outdoor guys and your so called elite genetics . big plant yes,Dank rarely ,Big yeild per ft no!!!! .

You got me beat besterwise for sure . but i will hit at least 12 . 3 ft buds per 6"×6" beats a 3 ft bud per 1" ×1" 4 fold . like it or not do the math .

some day i might hope!!! on the avaerge bandwagon with you but today is not the day :laughing: :tiphat:
 

Dankwolf

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There is some valueble knowledge with in this thread but many of you have egos larger then your plants . not all of us understand soil chemistry like you . but if that comes with the duesh bag i am good .

We all wither and die some . just pray the person there by your side has the same values / ethics .

thanks for the help .
 
Yes i did, They didn't come out accurate to me with the logan labs test, could have been cause i did a AA 8.2 test instead of both M3 and AA on the base cations. Not sure if that is the truth don't have enough knowledge about the tests to say. But my ppms of Si were at 5.... and 9.5 on a soil i add very little Si to. Im curious if adding Si to my Spectrum testing in the future will be a good idea and what a good # to shoot for from their lab will be.

I would definitely pay attention to Si. Its one of the least paid attention to nutrient in ag situations but all the research shows that si applications increases quality and yield.

Its also the most abundant element in natural soils. Granted most of it is tied up through isomorphus substitution, it is interesting to note that.
 
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Unless Im wrong, which is highly probable this looks like a Ca def which isnt possible. So,,, other plant looks fine. Just transplanted 3 days ago. 3 weeks since sprout. WTF? On the leaf with the huge spots, the opposing leaf has developed some pencil mark sized rust spots as well.
 

slownickel

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Pretty incredible the quantity of folks that are suffering from a P deficiency from pretty early on and then even heavier as they get further and further into flowering.

Unless you are one of those that is already loaded up with P, folks better get their P in prior to planting with a huge amount of bone meal for those organic growers as trying to play catch up with a "liquid" bone meal, is not only real expensive, but takes a huge amount to battle all that K in the composts, manures and worm castings....
 

jidoka

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Slow...why no love for soft rock? I know it is less soluble than bone meal out of the bag but doesn't that soluble P complex with Ca pretty damn fast...like well before flower?

What about non organic growers...MAP and super triple?
 

Rodehazrd

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Stupid Ca early, stupid K and P late. Not even close to any record, but not bad either
Very Nice job there Jidoka but when you say stupid calcium early is that an additive or you just loaded up with a lot of different sources as soil amendments? Shells Gyp ...
And while I have your attention what is your feeling on bone char?
We have access to fertrell products here and they have phostrell. Its claimed to have bone char and be high P I have some but don't know how to use it. And the salesman seemed less than brilliant.
its granulated as is their is gypsum and limestone, is that as good as flour versions?
Thanks in advance from the shallow end of the pool
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jidoka

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First of all I reject your shallow end of the pool argument. The fact is you are here instead of a true retard thread like great debate organic vs whatever tells me that is not true

Everything depends on your starting point. The first thing to look at is pH. If my soil is 6.8 or above that rules out any ca except gypsum.

If you have a specific issue please post a soil test

But me...lots of gypsum followed by mkp, cu, Zn and mn. But I am moving down the road next yr
 
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