Seedlings are sprouting in coco - what now? First grow!

[Guest]

Thanks for the advice Slickster. These little girls (I hope) don't have the root system yet to hold the coco together during the transplant process. Only 11 days into seedling stage. But they're getting there. Another 3 or 4 days and they can probably survive the jump up to three gallon pots. Didn't buy any Cal-Mag due to the coco medium and the fact that I'm using Canna A+B. Matter of fact all my nutes are Canna. Advice when using straight canna nutes has been that it's not necessary. Might try to experiment a little later, but right now on my first grow, I need to keep things as simple as possible.

I wouldn't have thought about an iron deficiency as being the problem. With iron deficiency don't the leaves turn a pale almost beige color while the veins remain green. My yellowing is very slight with undefined borders to it and it seems to not be present on the new leaf growth since I added the A+B yesterday. One of the plants is a darker green even indicating maybe too much Nitrogen so I probably will water with straight water pH'd to 5.5 or so tomorrow when I water again. I'll see how they do in the next few days and if all is well I will probably transplant on about day 15 or 16.

Thanks again for the help. I'm not experienced at this so I always appreciate advice. Keep checking in if you like.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i wouldn't give them calmag, it's just not needed. those plants look real good and only need to be left alone to do their thing. you will see, coco always seem to work best when the plants are just slightly hungry, ie the top growth has a lighter green color then the lower fan leaves. at this point they really start to take off.

the other thing i'd consider, is that if you plant them from those small pots directly to a 3 gallon pot, the plants roots will go pretty much directly to the bottom and edges of the pot. it is advisable to use a pot size in the middle first. put them in a 1 gallon container, let them root it full and then put it in the 3 gallon pot. or you could only fill the 3 gallon pot half way, let the plants use up the medium and fill it with roots, then lift the plant out and add new coco in the bottom half replacing your plant on the fresh coco. this is no essential, but it helps the plant make the most use of the coco. specially when you plan to give them so much each. they should become real trees if you let them with 3 gallons of medium each.

 

[Guest]

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[Guest]

yes 3 more babies on the way planted and popped within 24 hours again by just planting in straight coco no paper towel

giving me a total of 7 ak8's hope i get a good ratio of females wish me luck, on another note i figured out the schematics for my drip system gotta get the parts for it at the hydro shop. then FINALY I WILL B F'IN DONE WITH BUYING THINGS FOR MY GROW lmfao. i spent and waisted alot of money but saul good u live n u learn and its just money

 

[gaiusmarius]

hehe aizen, it can get expensive hey? once you harvest it will all have been worth it and meanwhile you are gathering experience. so hows you'r little ak babies doing man?

 

[Guest]

there doing good imo

took a pic had to use my phone dont have a cam so the pic looks bad

 

[Guest]

Hey guys, mojo, etc ,
I've been following along this thread from the beginning. Quite a seedling school!!!
What made me post was your PH levels mojo. 1. Whats the reason you have chosen 6.3 for your feed mix? and 2. Why then use straight water pH'd to 5.5?
No critique, just curious. I myself keep my PH between 5.8 and 6.0 no matter what I'm giving my plants and at all stages of growth.
Anyway love the thread, great read. Keep it up and I'll continue to hang about
Peace.

Oh and aizen that AK is looking bushy already, nice pheno with those side shoots.

 

[Guest]

Oh and I forgot to say something on the gnats. Something I've found helpful is chopping up some garlic cloves into say 1/4's and put a couple of pieces around each of ya seedlings/clones. Take em out when you water, then put em back (acidic). Change for fresh pieces every few days. Larvae don't eat it and the adults hate the smell. Keeps your plants chem free and gives em a chance to establish good roots before they get munched.
Ez.

 

[Guest]

on another note i figured out the schematics for my drip system gotta get the parts for it at the hydro shop. then FINALY I WILL B F'IN DONE WITH BUYING THINGS FOR MY GROW lmfao. i spent and waisted alot of money but saul good u live n u learn and its just money

LOL....good luck with that part.....I've said that a million times and every time something else comes up and necessitates shelling out a nickle here or a dime there.....and you're right, it's only money. It can't buy ya happiness.....but ya might be able to rent it for a few hours.

Welcome to the addiction known as growing

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah ph 6.0 is what you want to have in coco. when i water seedlings i will use ph6.0 to ph 6.3 only once they are firmly established do i go to 5.9 or 5.8. but that's just a small detail that will not make much difference, either way.

 

[Guest]

I totally hear that. The front page of my personal grow diary is reserved for penciling in shopping list items and it consistently has a dozen or so items on it. Not just for growing mj but growing addict I am.
Been harvesting red savina habenaros lately. Hot hot hot!

 

[Guest]

LOL....good luck with that part.....I've said that a million times and every time something else comes up and necessitates shelling out a nickle here or a dime there.....and you're right, it's only money. It can't buy ya happiness.....but ya might be able to rent it for a few hours.

Welcome to the addiction known as growing

i know i was just lying to myself lmfao, im already thinkin about what nutes im gonna get next and what else could make my cab better. trust me im already addicted. i woke up wit the shakes this morning and had to get my fix of messing with my plants

 

[Guest]

yeah ph 6.0 is what you want to have in coco. when i water seedlings i will use ph6.0 to ph 6.3 only once they are firmly established do i go to 5.9 or 5.8. but that's just a small detail that will not make much difference, either way.

So he'd wanna keep his straight water up there too rather than changing back n forth?

 

[gaiusmarius]

any water that touches the plants medium should be ph corrected to 6.0 or there abouts.

 

[Guest]

Cheers man, thats what I thought.

 

[Guest]

yes 3 more babies on the way planted and popped within 24 hours again by just planting in straight coco no paper towel

giving me a total of 7 ak8's hope i get a good ratio of females wish me luck, on another note i figured out the schematics for my drip system gotta get the parts for it at the hydro shop. then FINALY I WILL B F'IN DONE WITH BUYING THINGS FOR MY GROW lmfao. i spent and waisted alot of money but saul good u live n u learn and its just money

Been taking care of some odds and ends, got back home and see some folks have visited. Love it!

aizen, dude, I feel your pain. Went through the same, gotta have this, really need this, and really WANT this shit setting up my grow closet. And I've still got a wish list - ec meter, humidifier (rh in the room stays about 40% - need about 70% right now). I can see more spending in my future. lol

twenty47red-i
come hang out any time ya feel like it, dude. My tap water is about 8 as it comes out through the little mickey mouse Pur filter that's on the kitchen faucet. Wife feels better about drinking it, ya know? Anyway, about the pH, canna recommends a pH of 5.2-6.2 for A and B. I've learned as I've been doing this that with nutes in the water, my pH rises to somewhere between 6.5 - 7.0 pretty quickly. If ya check back on the fourth, I started pHn to 5.2-5.7 and by the time I get around to using the last of the nutes, I can count on it coming up to 6.0-6.3. Knowing about the tendency of the water to rise in pH, I always check the pH on any premixed water/nutes mixture. Yesterday, when I flushed the nutes out of the pots, I just wanted to let the water go in at about 5.7-5.8 and when I checked the runoff, it was straight up 6.0. Worked out well because tonight, the little rug rats are looking good.

And, thanks man for the home remedy for gnats. I'm gonna try it. If it doesn't get rid of gnats, at least I won't have to worry about vampires stealing my grow, hehe.

aizen, how old are those seedlings in the pics you posted? They look mighty healthy!!! Nice job.

Here's a few of mine. They just hit 14 days today and I'm about ready to get them into some bigger pots. gaius, you still think I need to go with 1gal instead of 3gal? I have 3 and 5 gallon pots, if I go with 1 gallon, I'll need to buy some tomorrow. Planning on the plants ending up in 5 gal and don't want to transplant 3 times unless I need to. Just let me know.

gonna post pics from a couple of days ago and today. Stems have gotten a lot thicker and new growth is coming out everywhere. Tops have really started kickin.

Taken 2 days ago



And today



The two AI's



And the three WW, one on far right was burned by misting, looks like it's gonna lag behind









Hey gaius, do you think this is enough of a root system to hold together if I replant today, the 5th. Sure would like to get them into some bigger pots and into veg under my 400W M/H.

 

[Guest]

i havent really been counting but lets just say 2 weeks lol give or take

 

[gaiusmarius]

mojo your plants are looking better and better, they actually have the look of strong young plants slowly.

if you want to go to 3 gallon pots next thats fine man, i'm not sure you will need the 5 gallon pot, but lets wait and see, the ww can be stretchy and big same with some NL phenos.

you know, if i was you i'd give it another day or two, once some roots peek out the hole in the bottom side, then it means the roots are firmly established in their pots. but in all honesty, it's no big deal, if you are gentle with the ball of coco it should stay together even at this point. even if it breaks up, just support it and transplant like you would in your garden. i would water the new pot of coco with ph'ed water only until run off. then give a small additional dose with nutes, 1.5 ml per lt should work great.

don't discard the small ww, because it is often those slower plants that turn into females, lol. many times the fastest are the males. i see it's not keeping up with the others. try placing it directly under the light, lift it up so it gets the full light like the rest of them. that will help it to catch up.

peace out

 

[NPK]

Mojo, your seedlings are looking great! Your plants are too, Aizen.

It's funny, I used to tell myself "After I buy this that and the other, I won't have to buy any more growing items." Now, for the upgrade I'm planning, I want the GrowTronix garden control software, about $480...plus I need four 3' x 3' trays, a couple of pumps, a Telaire CO2 sensor, all the tubing/PVC stuff to assemble a drip system, and god knows what else ('cause there's always something else, right?). Wouldn't be surprised if this upgrade sets me back $1000. It adds up, that's for damned sure...but it'll pay for itself, and will also buy back a LOT of the time I currently spend hand-watering.

It's an addiction, all right!

 

[bongoman]

Hey Mojo

Where are you up to with the A+B - you hitting them with any yet or just the Rhizo still?