i just can't believe the size of that bud-i think its the biggest bud that i've ever seen-
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Unless I'm missing something, they're not amber. I should be able to see it with a magnifying glass, right??? All I see is clear and some milky trichs but no amber. I'm gonna keep at it then. Just don't want to let them go past ready and get a decline in potency ya know?
EddieShoestring, thanks for the compliment dude. The plants did it, not me, lol. I'm like you though man, I've never seen one this big. I expect every day when I open the closet to find it with the cola drooped over. Got it tied from two directions so maybe it'll hold.
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EddieShoestring, thanks for the compliment dude. The plants did it, not me, lol. I'm like you though man, I've never seen one this big. I expect every day when I open the closet to find it with the cola drooped over. Got it tied from two directions so maybe it'll hold.
Peace
yes you would see that some of the heads have an amber or brown color to the while most will be milky and or clear. if you do a search for some macro threads you will find some close ups that show the trichomes close enough so you can really make out the ones that have an amber head
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Day 84 of flower
Nothing new going on. Trichs still haven't turned amber but I cut the ec to 0.6 from 0.9 today. Tomorrow I'll cut it to 0.4 for a couple of days and then I'll start the flush. I've got to assume that these two are right at the point of being ready so hopefully my timing will be right. I'm looking at harvest in about 7-9 days if my calculations are on target.
I got lazy and posted these small so you'll have to click em to see larger. I'm using some new security software and it really slows things down sometimes.
You can see how the older fan leaves have slowly turned yellow green. The plants are really looking sparse now as the older leaves sag. Where I couldn't see through the plants a week and a half a go, now it's no problem.
I have been sampling some of the bud so I'm feeling a little reflective, lmfao. I'm going to start a new post of what I've learned from this grow. I'll be adding to it so don't get fucked up if you think I've left something out. I'll post it as I recall it. And if I keep smoking this bud, we may be talking a continuous work in progress here cause I've noticed my recall is sucking a little lately, lol.
So...
--to be continued in my next post.
Peace...
Nothing new going on. Trichs still haven't turned amber but I cut the ec to 0.6 from 0.9 today. Tomorrow I'll cut it to 0.4 for a couple of days and then I'll start the flush. I've got to assume that these two are right at the point of being ready so hopefully my timing will be right. I'm looking at harvest in about 7-9 days if my calculations are on target.
I got lazy and posted these small so you'll have to click em to see larger. I'm using some new security software and it really slows things down sometimes.
You can see how the older fan leaves have slowly turned yellow green. The plants are really looking sparse now as the older leaves sag. Where I couldn't see through the plants a week and a half a go, now it's no problem.
I have been sampling some of the bud so I'm feeling a little reflective, lmfao. I'm going to start a new post of what I've learned from this grow. I'll be adding to it so don't get fucked up if you think I've left something out. I'll post it as I recall it. And if I keep smoking this bud, we may be talking a continuous work in progress here cause I've noticed my recall is sucking a little lately, lol.
So...
--to be continued in my next post.
Peace...
yes the yellowing fan leaves is certainly another sign that the end is nigh. i'm sure the end flush will finally turn the trich heads, i mean they have to be done, who ever heard of a WW going to 3 months 12/12, let alone a fucking aurora, lol. that's supposed to be something like a NL, which takes about 8 weeks, rofl. man you got some interesting phenos, glad to know you are planning to re veg them.
thanks for the update
thanks for the update
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This post pertains to this grow which was my first grow and is intended to help the new coco grower hopefully by answering some of their questions.
This grow has been a real learning experience for me. I've really gotten a feel for the plants so I thought I'd start a post and tell you what I learned from this grow. I'll add to it over the next couple of weeks as I think of more.
Before I start, thanks to all who helped me during this grow. There are too many of you to recall right now but basically it's everyone who posted anything to this thread. Even if you only asked a question, I learned by having to come up with an answer. I can't remember one circumstance where there was a negative post or response to this thread and after reading some of the other threads, I'd say that's pretty fucking amazing.
This grow would not have been successful if not for the help of gaiusmarius. gaius was always keeping an eye on me and answered every question I asked. Some of our communication happened on the side and I've come to consider him a friend. If gaius ever offers you any advice concerning growing in coco, TAKE IT! I don't know of anyone more knowledgeable about coco than him.
OK, here goes.
What I've learned about growing in coco.
Here's what you need to grow any plant:
Light, air, water, nutrients, proper temperature/humidity, and a medium to support the plant and deliver nutrients to the roots.
Here's what I used to fill the above requirements.
Medium: Coco coir
Coco is, in my opinion, the best medium to grow in. It's a very simple medium to use if you follow some truths.
1. Coco coir is not soil so don't treat it that way.
2. Any nutrient problems are due to what you've added to the coco.
3. If in doubt, flush it out.
4. Never let the coco dry out between waterings
5. Water at least once every day!
6. Water till you get at least 10% runoff!
7. It's not necessary to add any other medium to coco in order to grow plants. I used 100% canna coco coir.
8. Keep the pH of the water between 5.2 and 6.2. I kept mine at 5.8 for most of the grow.
9. I used three gallon pots for the grow. Went straight from solo seedling cups to the three gallon pots.
Canna coco is specifically what brand I used. I used it right out of the bag without rinsing and had absolutely no issues with it. If you use any other brand, check it to see if it needs to be flushed. If in doubt, flush it out!!!
To be continued...
Nutrients:
Coco A+B
PK 13/14
Cannazym
Rhizotonic
Cal-Mag+ almost ruined my whole grow. I read so many posts where folks used it, I thought I'd use it too so I could have a super grow. Two days after I began feeding it, I picked up some leaf spots and other symptoms of general malaise in the plants. After I poured out the premixed nutes I'd planned to feed, I flushed with straight pHd water and followed with nutes less the Cal-Mag+. Not a problem since!!!
If you use tap water or a 50/50 mix of tap/RO, DO NOT USE Cal-Mag+. Your water already has enough of anything the Cal-Mag+ is going to give you. And based on my results, if the Cal-Mag has anything in it that my water doesn't, I don't need it, lol.
Seedling stage nutrients:
None until I saw the first true leaves and then I fed Rhizotonic at 1mL/gal at a pH of 6.0.
Vegetation stage:
When I transplanted the seedlings into the three gallon pots they stayed in the whole grow, I started feeding with the A+B and eased the nutrients up a little at a time from 1mL/gal till I got to a maximum of 6mL/gal each of A and B. This is all the plants needed during the entire grow. No sweet, Cal-Mag+, super duper grow tonic, frog toes, lizard tongues or bat shit were necessary. I really don't get why anybody uses any of that stuff. Guess I'm just ignorant in this respect. I really couldn't have done any better than I did using anything else. Frankly, even if my plants could have produced more and I don't think they could have, I'd have had a problem. At harvest I had been tying the branches of the plants to things in the closet to keep them from breaking under the weight of the buds. And these seeds were from inferior stock! Says worlds about coco in my opinion. If I can take shitty genetics and grow really potent, kick ass herb - and a lot of it - the coco works!!!
Flowering stage:
Two weeks into 12/12, I dosed with PK 13/14 and almost overdid it even after cutting back on what is written on the label. Go easy on this stuff but by all means don't forget to use it. I fed it again during week 6 and cut it back even more. About 3 weeks from harvest, I started feeding the PK again. I began to reduce the Nitrogen by cutting the amount of coco A I fed by 25%. I also cut the B from 6mL/gal to 4mL/gal and I started adding the PK at 1mL/gal. This in essence was increasing the amount ot PK during these last 3 or 4 weeks and is what I think led to the re-budding of my plants. I mean the buds started adding new growth and even now during the flush, they are still putting out new growth. The fan leaves are yellow, but damnit, the fucking buds are healthy as shit, lol.
Temperature/Humidity
I tried to keep my temp anywhere from 70-78 and was careful not to let my temps get over 80F at any point during this grow. They did drift up to 84 at one point briefly (a couple of hours) till I lowered the temp on the AC a couple of degrees.
Humidity:
I wasn't really concerned with the humidity during the seedling stage and vegetation stages. My belief is that the plants can use the humidity by absorbing some of the moisture from the air during this stage. Toward the end of the vegetation stage I did start to pull the humidity down to a comfy (for the plants, lol) 50%-55%. During flowering I kept the humidity at no more than 50% and as low as I could get it. It normally hovered around 42%.
I bought a dehumidifier and it runs constantly. A side benefit to this is that I can use the water from the dehumidifier to water the plants. This water has the same ec as RO and I've not had to buy RO water since I bought it.
Water:
During the seedling stage, I used a misting bottle and misted the coco by making sure the nozzle was underneath the leaves so as not to get them wet. I made the mistake of letting droplets get on one of the plant's leaves and it blistered under the cfl I was using so be careful not to let the droplets get onto the top of the leaves as you mist.
During the seeding stage is the only time the coco needs to get even close to being dry. During the seedling stage of growth, the plants are developing a root system. By letting the coco solo cups almost dry out between waterings, you will encourage the roots to spread out in search for water. If you don't let the coco almost dry out between waterings at this stage, you will end up with surface root growth and the root ball won't be substantial enough to support the seedlings when they are re-planted. When I say almost dry, I mean when you pick up the solo cups, they should feel very, very light. When they feel really light, water them. It's a fine line between too dry and just right so try to get a feel for it. Even at this stage, I watered till runoff. While misting, I'd watch for water to start coming out of the bottom of the solo cups from the holes I'd made in their bottoms.
I used a propagation tray with a heat mat under it set on 70 degrees for my solo cups. Do not use a dome lid on the tray as it's not necessary. I placed a 200W cfl in a reflector about 7-9 inches from the tops of the seedlings and let a fan blow between the seedlings and the reflector. I also set my remote temp sensor on a solo cup underneath the light so I could get an accurate reading on what the plants were feeling temp wise.
I used 50/50 tap/ro water during the veg and flower stages of the grow. The ro water by itself doesn't have the calcium and other trace elements the plants need so the addition of the tap water cures that problem. For those of you with tap water that has a decent ec, don't worry with the ro water. My tap water just has too much salt in it to use straight.
This grow has been a real learning experience for me. I've really gotten a feel for the plants so I thought I'd start a post and tell you what I learned from this grow. I'll add to it over the next couple of weeks as I think of more.
Before I start, thanks to all who helped me during this grow. There are too many of you to recall right now but basically it's everyone who posted anything to this thread. Even if you only asked a question, I learned by having to come up with an answer. I can't remember one circumstance where there was a negative post or response to this thread and after reading some of the other threads, I'd say that's pretty fucking amazing.
This grow would not have been successful if not for the help of gaiusmarius. gaius was always keeping an eye on me and answered every question I asked. Some of our communication happened on the side and I've come to consider him a friend. If gaius ever offers you any advice concerning growing in coco, TAKE IT! I don't know of anyone more knowledgeable about coco than him.
OK, here goes.
What I've learned about growing in coco.
Here's what you need to grow any plant:
Light, air, water, nutrients, proper temperature/humidity, and a medium to support the plant and deliver nutrients to the roots.
Here's what I used to fill the above requirements.
Medium: Coco coir
Coco is, in my opinion, the best medium to grow in. It's a very simple medium to use if you follow some truths.
1. Coco coir is not soil so don't treat it that way.
2. Any nutrient problems are due to what you've added to the coco.
3. If in doubt, flush it out.
4. Never let the coco dry out between waterings
5. Water at least once every day!
6. Water till you get at least 10% runoff!
7. It's not necessary to add any other medium to coco in order to grow plants. I used 100% canna coco coir.
8. Keep the pH of the water between 5.2 and 6.2. I kept mine at 5.8 for most of the grow.
9. I used three gallon pots for the grow. Went straight from solo seedling cups to the three gallon pots.
Canna coco is specifically what brand I used. I used it right out of the bag without rinsing and had absolutely no issues with it. If you use any other brand, check it to see if it needs to be flushed. If in doubt, flush it out!!!
To be continued...
Nutrients:
Coco A+B
PK 13/14
Cannazym
Rhizotonic
Cal-Mag+ almost ruined my whole grow. I read so many posts where folks used it, I thought I'd use it too so I could have a super grow. Two days after I began feeding it, I picked up some leaf spots and other symptoms of general malaise in the plants. After I poured out the premixed nutes I'd planned to feed, I flushed with straight pHd water and followed with nutes less the Cal-Mag+. Not a problem since!!!
If you use tap water or a 50/50 mix of tap/RO, DO NOT USE Cal-Mag+. Your water already has enough of anything the Cal-Mag+ is going to give you. And based on my results, if the Cal-Mag has anything in it that my water doesn't, I don't need it, lol.
Seedling stage nutrients:
None until I saw the first true leaves and then I fed Rhizotonic at 1mL/gal at a pH of 6.0.
Vegetation stage:
When I transplanted the seedlings into the three gallon pots they stayed in the whole grow, I started feeding with the A+B and eased the nutrients up a little at a time from 1mL/gal till I got to a maximum of 6mL/gal each of A and B. This is all the plants needed during the entire grow. No sweet, Cal-Mag+, super duper grow tonic, frog toes, lizard tongues or bat shit were necessary. I really don't get why anybody uses any of that stuff. Guess I'm just ignorant in this respect. I really couldn't have done any better than I did using anything else. Frankly, even if my plants could have produced more and I don't think they could have, I'd have had a problem. At harvest I had been tying the branches of the plants to things in the closet to keep them from breaking under the weight of the buds. And these seeds were from inferior stock! Says worlds about coco in my opinion. If I can take shitty genetics and grow really potent, kick ass herb - and a lot of it - the coco works!!!
Flowering stage:
Two weeks into 12/12, I dosed with PK 13/14 and almost overdid it even after cutting back on what is written on the label. Go easy on this stuff but by all means don't forget to use it. I fed it again during week 6 and cut it back even more. About 3 weeks from harvest, I started feeding the PK again. I began to reduce the Nitrogen by cutting the amount of coco A I fed by 25%. I also cut the B from 6mL/gal to 4mL/gal and I started adding the PK at 1mL/gal. This in essence was increasing the amount ot PK during these last 3 or 4 weeks and is what I think led to the re-budding of my plants. I mean the buds started adding new growth and even now during the flush, they are still putting out new growth. The fan leaves are yellow, but damnit, the fucking buds are healthy as shit, lol.
Temperature/Humidity
I tried to keep my temp anywhere from 70-78 and was careful not to let my temps get over 80F at any point during this grow. They did drift up to 84 at one point briefly (a couple of hours) till I lowered the temp on the AC a couple of degrees.
Humidity:
I wasn't really concerned with the humidity during the seedling stage and vegetation stages. My belief is that the plants can use the humidity by absorbing some of the moisture from the air during this stage. Toward the end of the vegetation stage I did start to pull the humidity down to a comfy (for the plants, lol) 50%-55%. During flowering I kept the humidity at no more than 50% and as low as I could get it. It normally hovered around 42%.
I bought a dehumidifier and it runs constantly. A side benefit to this is that I can use the water from the dehumidifier to water the plants. This water has the same ec as RO and I've not had to buy RO water since I bought it.
Water:
During the seedling stage, I used a misting bottle and misted the coco by making sure the nozzle was underneath the leaves so as not to get them wet. I made the mistake of letting droplets get on one of the plant's leaves and it blistered under the cfl I was using so be careful not to let the droplets get onto the top of the leaves as you mist.
During the seeding stage is the only time the coco needs to get even close to being dry. During the seedling stage of growth, the plants are developing a root system. By letting the coco solo cups almost dry out between waterings, you will encourage the roots to spread out in search for water. If you don't let the coco almost dry out between waterings at this stage, you will end up with surface root growth and the root ball won't be substantial enough to support the seedlings when they are re-planted. When I say almost dry, I mean when you pick up the solo cups, they should feel very, very light. When they feel really light, water them. It's a fine line between too dry and just right so try to get a feel for it. Even at this stage, I watered till runoff. While misting, I'd watch for water to start coming out of the bottom of the solo cups from the holes I'd made in their bottoms.
I used a propagation tray with a heat mat under it set on 70 degrees for my solo cups. Do not use a dome lid on the tray as it's not necessary. I placed a 200W cfl in a reflector about 7-9 inches from the tops of the seedlings and let a fan blow between the seedlings and the reflector. I also set my remote temp sensor on a solo cup underneath the light so I could get an accurate reading on what the plants were feeling temp wise.
I used 50/50 tap/ro water during the veg and flower stages of the grow. The ro water by itself doesn't have the calcium and other trace elements the plants need so the addition of the tap water cures that problem. For those of you with tap water that has a decent ec, don't worry with the ro water. My tap water just has too much salt in it to use straight.
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you keep thanking me man and thats nice, but i tell you you were the one who took he info and made use of it. you did a lot of research and were on top of your plants nutrient needs, like i have seldom see a newbie on top of it. your growers instinct was spot on man. i'm only happy to see what a success you have made of your first grow.
this thread will be a great resource for many coco growers to come
anyway, sorry to interrupt man. go right ahead
this thread will be a great resource for many coco growers to come
anyway, sorry to interrupt man. go right ahead
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Haha Mojo damn... nice Robo Penis you got going on ... Booya!
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lol, sportin 17 inches dude. Bad shit is, a female plant has a bigger cola than me. lmfao. So I guess that would be called cola envy???
I'm convinced the only reason that cola hasn't toppled over is cause I've been slipping some Viagra into the plant's water.
Peace
I'm convinced the only reason that cola hasn't toppled over is cause I've been slipping some Viagra into the plant's water.
Peace
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thanks, bullseye.
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mojo said:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa perfect I'm blazed and see this...
kinda like babys on similac .. hmm hmm
how about an update mojo? must be getting very close to harvest day now no?
more pics man, got to see how the trichs are developing too. try taking a pic through a magnifying glass, some times it works you just have to fiddle around with flash power. some times a piece of paper towel over the flash helps to dim it enough to get clear close ups. not that it's easy, keep up the great work, i look forward to reading your sumation post when i have a bit more energy.
peace
more pics man, got to see how the trichs are developing too. try taking a pic through a magnifying glass, some times it works you just have to fiddle around with flash power. some times a piece of paper towel over the flash helps to dim it enough to get clear close ups. not that it's easy, keep up the great work, i look forward to reading your sumation post when i have a bit more energy.
peace
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I'll get right on it dude, hehe. Let me see if I can get some pictures and I'll post them in a bit.
Trichs have started turning amber so my timing for the flush seems to be "spot on" as you like to put it, lol. My camera's not going to be good enough to get you shots of them though. Or I'm not good enough, hehe.
Anyway, going to harvest tomorrow. DAY 95 of flower!!!
The first few shots are from yesterday and the last two were taken about 15 minutes ago.
Camera held at about 6 feet looking down into the Aurora Indica. Main cola lower left. Plant height 4'4". Side buds have all been really big and juicy looking on this plant.
Looking down into the White Widow. Camera again held at about 7'. This plant is now 5'9" tall from the top of the coco to the tip of the cola.
Looking down between the two plants. Aurora Indica to the right and White Widow to the left.
Taken tonight. Not much change. Fan leaves are really dying off now. Tasted a little bit of the bud and it was smooth and potent and this was cut right off and smoked. Seems like the harshness of smoking a freshly cut bud is almost gone. Not really knowing what I'm talking about, I'd guess the change in taste and smoothness is due to the absence of fertilizer in the plant due to the 5 day old flush.
I appreciate everybody's patience lately. I've got a lot going on in "the world" right now. Nothing bad, just a lot.
Peace
Trichs have started turning amber so my timing for the flush seems to be "spot on" as you like to put it, lol. My camera's not going to be good enough to get you shots of them though. Or I'm not good enough, hehe.
Anyway, going to harvest tomorrow. DAY 95 of flower!!!
The first few shots are from yesterday and the last two were taken about 15 minutes ago.
Camera held at about 6 feet looking down into the Aurora Indica. Main cola lower left. Plant height 4'4". Side buds have all been really big and juicy looking on this plant.
Looking down into the White Widow. Camera again held at about 7'. This plant is now 5'9" tall from the top of the coco to the tip of the cola.
Looking down between the two plants. Aurora Indica to the right and White Widow to the left.
Taken tonight. Not much change. Fan leaves are really dying off now. Tasted a little bit of the bud and it was smooth and potent and this was cut right off and smoked. Seems like the harshness of smoking a freshly cut bud is almost gone. Not really knowing what I'm talking about, I'd guess the change in taste and smoothness is due to the absence of fertilizer in the plant due to the 5 day old flush.
I appreciate everybody's patience lately. I've got a lot going on in "the world" right now. Nothing bad, just a lot.
Peace
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that is good news indeed congrats on the harvest day. we want lots of harvy pics man. have fun
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gaiusmarius said:
thanks, gm. you da man.
Peace and be safe my bro.
humble1 said:
thanks man.
yeah, ya got that right. I guess that when I started this, I started it not counting on much and I kind of accepted that I could end up with nothing. It wasn't until about a month into flower that it began to dawn on me that I had a handle on the grow and it was really going to finish for me.
By that time, I'd weathered a lockout due to ec buildup, a potentially severe calcium problem caused by adding Cal-Mag+ to the coco, another lockout due to pH/ec problems, and two blown digital ballasts. So, when you look at it that way, I've only been expecting something for two months instead of 4, lmfao.
I hear ya on the electric bill thing man. I envy those who can grow outside because of the free light, but I prefer to grow inside. I think it gives you a better feel for the plant and by that I mean, growing inside you have complete control over the plant and all the variables.
I'm rambling again... Sorry.
Thanks for stopping by, dude.
Peace
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In the middle of harvest. Working on the white widow now. Top cola weighed 13.75 ounces and top cola plus cluster just underneath were 17.75 ounces together. Each one of the side colas from the top of the plant are averaging just over 4 ounces each. Got just over half the plant to go but the weights will obviously be getting less.
Far right pictures are of the top cola and it's supportive bottom bud cluster.
Top cola was laying over when I opened the closet this morning.
I'll finish later...
Far right pictures are of the top cola and it's supportive bottom bud cluster.
Top cola was laying over when I opened the closet this morning.
I'll finish later...
Congratulations mojo !
i love this one man, great job
the trimming is hard work eh? takes ages, lol. enjoy...
