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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=43787
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Seedbay Seed Vendor Survey-Merged
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To get back to the hamburger analogy someone made, it REALLY pisses me off going to BK's or Mickey D's surrounded by pictures of scrumptious looking burgers and then getting some limp looking minature burger where the meat is hiding under the fricking pickle. I really don't see how that isn't false advertising. Now with buds, for a skilled grower at least there is a possibility of attaining results something like pictures would see represent, the problem is that all growers might not have the skillz needed to attain that quality. I think word of mouth is the most reliable way to pick a strain. A little homework and asking questions on the boards will not only yield results from seasoned growers but also from more inexperienced growers which is going to give you much more reliable info than either a picture or a breeder's description would.
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This quote from Gra3tful H3ad is very interesting "I guess the distinction is that I am providing seeds, not marketing them... " Marketing from the Oxford dictionarry "selling or buying in a market, activity or process involving research, promotion, sales, and distribution of a product." Then provide " supply or furnish". H3ad I think your wrong here. You are marketing your seeds, your just not trying to promote them. Your "marketplace" is the internet. Thanks for the great poll you have posted and everyone reading this thread should vote now! Dr. Duck.
There is a related Poll now... http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=43787
Nah man, I'm not wrong...doobieduck said:
I Supply Pre-sorted and Pre-Packaged Seeds To www.Seedbay.com...
The Promotion, Sales, and Distribution are all handled by the vendor, not me...
Only if you receive no compensation for the items! Your up early....been waiting for me to get out of bed? Thanks again for the poll, Dr. Duck.
Where is that in the definition...doobieduck said:
If I am marketing them, Then I am only marketing them to the vendor...
I never said I was Donating them...
Most Suppliers of any product, get compensated for the product they supply...
Still not wrong....
BTW... know what my 'compensation' is?
I get Seedbay credit equal to 60% of the sell price...
I am building a nice seed collection, though....
I get Seedbay credit equal to 60% of the sell price...
I am building a nice seed collection, though....
lmao... i assure you, our schedule isn't made around the internet or people on it...doobieduck said:
We are always up this early Mr.Duck...
Oxford says " supply' provide or furnish, GIVE, endow, DONATE, or present. So supply me a pack of Casey Jones....I'm smiling now! Hey I'm adding your poll link to all my threads, and Ms. I wasn't saying that about your schedual, sorry I forgot the Ha!...Dr. Duck.
oh darling... i was laughin' cause i knew you was pickin'... no worries...doobieduck said:
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i think we're having open honest friendly discussions here...
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If I'm not mistaken, I've already supplied you with a free pack of seeds...
As have I many others here...
In fact nearly anyone who has ever purchased a 12 pack has gottes two or three free seeds...
Yes, donate is one of the definitions for supply, and yes I do donate alot of seeds, Thanks for pointing that out...
It is not, however the only definition of supply, and I also supply seeds to seedbay for them to market...
From the American Heritage Dictionary:
Supply
NOUN:
pl. sup·plies
1.The act of supplying.
2.Something that is or can be supplied.
3.An amount available or sufficient for a given use; stock.
4.Materials or provisions stored and dispensed when needed. Often used in the plural.
5.Economics: The amount of a commodity available for meeting a demand or for purchase at a given price.
6.A cleric serving as a substitute or temporary pastor.
VERB:
tr.
1.To make available for use; provide.
2.To furnish or equip with: supplied sheets for every bed.
3.To fill sufficiently; satisfy: supply a need.
4.To make up for (a deficiency, for example); compensate for.
5.To serve temporarily as a substitute in (a church, for example).
Marketing
NOUN:
1.The act or process of buying and selling in a market.
2.The commercial functions involved in transferring goods from producer to consumer.
Producer
NOUN:
1.One that produces, especially a person or organization that produces goods or services for sale.
2.One who supervises and controls the finances, creation, and public presentation of a play, film, program, or similar work.
3.A furnace that manufactures producer gas.
4.Ecology: A photosynthetic green plant or chemosynthetic bacterium, constituting the first trophic level in a food chain; an autotrophic organism.
As have I many others here...
In fact nearly anyone who has ever purchased a 12 pack has gottes two or three free seeds...
Yes, donate is one of the definitions for supply, and yes I do donate alot of seeds, Thanks for pointing that out...
It is not, however the only definition of supply, and I also supply seeds to seedbay for them to market...
From the American Heritage Dictionary:
Supply
NOUN:
pl. sup·plies
1.The act of supplying.
2.Something that is or can be supplied.
3.An amount available or sufficient for a given use; stock.
4.Materials or provisions stored and dispensed when needed. Often used in the plural.
5.Economics: The amount of a commodity available for meeting a demand or for purchase at a given price.
6.A cleric serving as a substitute or temporary pastor.
VERB:
tr.
1.To make available for use; provide.
2.To furnish or equip with: supplied sheets for every bed.
3.To fill sufficiently; satisfy: supply a need.
4.To make up for (a deficiency, for example); compensate for.
5.To serve temporarily as a substitute in (a church, for example).
Marketing
NOUN:
1.The act or process of buying and selling in a market.
2.The commercial functions involved in transferring goods from producer to consumer.
Producer
NOUN:
1.One that produces, especially a person or organization that produces goods or services for sale.
2.One who supervises and controls the finances, creation, and public presentation of a play, film, program, or similar work.
3.A furnace that manufactures producer gas.
4.Ecology: A photosynthetic green plant or chemosynthetic bacterium, constituting the first trophic level in a food chain; an autotrophic organism.
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So this "available for meeting a demand or for purchase at a given price." is what you are doing? And thank you for supplying the free pack with all my PURCHASES. But I had to "purchase", from your "retailer"...you are a wholesaler suppling a retailer and even though you are not compensated much or in a monetary way, you are compensated.
No, upon further review, I am a producer...
EDIT: Seedbay is the Marketer...
And many here have gotten free packs without purchase...
Test growers and Gifts...
BTW, I edited more info into my last post...
EDIT:Whether or not I am compensated changes nothing I've said...
The definition of supplier is not contingent on compensation...
EDIT: Seedbay is the Marketer...
And many here have gotten free packs without purchase...
Test growers and Gifts...
BTW, I edited more info into my last post...
EDIT:Whether or not I am compensated changes nothing I've said...
The definition of supplier is not contingent on compensation...
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"producer".... "one who produces goods or commodities" Yep you are a producer as your seeds are commodities, for sale! But not for sale by you? But you receive compensation for the items. Very intersting. Ya know I have to wear this optivisor magnifier thing on my h3ad to read my dictionary as I don't have glasses and my wife is begining to look very strangly at me this AM.....Dr. Duck.
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Great post dd
I have felt like this for years. We the grower are marketing it for the the vendors . While with minimal effort they have maximum gain 
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Life is Grand.
doobieduck said:I think the vendors are now relying on us buyers to sell their products. We list our detailed grow reports and quality images here for everyone to read and see. I have had, quite a few times, a reply to my grow threads stating “thanks Doobieduck, that **** seeds strain looks great, I am going to ad their strain to my next order.”
I have felt like this for years. We the grower are marketing it for the the vendors . While with minimal effort they have maximum gain .Life is Grand.
My point is, I send seeds to seedbay because people ask me too...
The compensation I get is barely worth the work, lost sinse, and extra risk...
The joy I get from seeing them grown out more than covers the difference, though...
Your Contention is that I am the Marketer of the seeds is simply incorrect, by any standards of logic...
I do in fact Produce and Supply the seeds To Seedbay who Market them...
The fact that there is some 'payoff' involved for me, is completely irrelevant to the afore mentioned fact...
If I were interested in making my living from seed sales, your suggestions would be good ones, and I would definately be Marketing(read spamming) my product...
Could you think of any possible way to insure the fairest distribution method making the greatest number of seeds available to the greatest number of people, with the least added personal risk? The best I can think of is to slowly auction the limited stock with extremely low starting prices.
The compensation I get is barely worth the work, lost sinse, and extra risk...
The joy I get from seeing them grown out more than covers the difference, though...
Your Contention is that I am the Marketer of the seeds is simply incorrect, by any standards of logic...
I do in fact Produce and Supply the seeds To Seedbay who Market them...
The fact that there is some 'payoff' involved for me, is completely irrelevant to the afore mentioned fact...
If I were interested in making my living from seed sales, your suggestions would be good ones, and I would definately be Marketing(read spamming) my product...
Could you think of any possible way to insure the fairest distribution method making the greatest number of seeds available to the greatest number of people, with the least added personal risk? The best I can think of is to slowly auction the limited stock with extremely low starting prices.
So you guys actually prefer when seedmakers spam their wares?S.Leaf said:Great post dd
Life is Grand.
My attitude has always been to let my work stand for itself.
I have been building houses for years on reputation alone, never advertised there either, my work gets me more work.
No hype necessary.
It hurts for me to think this hard but H3ad I've come up with something new? If you aren't a seller or buyer why do you have so much interest in this thread? My intention was to hear from buyers. I've heard very little from them. Your quote "The joy I get from seeing them grown out more than covers the difference" great....your work speeks for itself... Dr. Duck.
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