San Diego Finest Cuts #3

[dank.frank]

Glass jars is the only way to go. I never used plastic with my patients. Can't contain smell and I refuse to sacrifice trichomes to pressure exerted on it from the sides of a bag or static.

At least a jar some ISO can recollect anything that falls off. Plus it contains the smell much better. That aside, I'm not nor have I ever been offended by good herb - regardless of how it came to me.

I think over packaging only serves to increase the production input and that gets passed directly on to the consumer expenditure. Businesses won't reduce profit margins. A smart consumer is perfectly okay with the less is more concept. I've never been to keen on dealing with trendy sorts anyway. I've always been more underground come sit on the couch for a few minutes instead of visiting a retail outlet. I only set foot in a dispensary one time in my life, and that was to drop off, not to pick up. After that, I didn't like being on camera and said if they wanted more, they could come find me, not the other way around. Needless to say, it was my one and only transaction. I was fine with that.

I guess at my core I'm just too much of a "hippie" for unbridled, raw capitalism.



dank.Frank

 

[resin_lung]

Glass jars is the only way to go. I never used plastic with my patients. Can't contain smell and I refuse to sacrifice trichomes to pressure exerted on it from the sides of a bag or static.

At least a jar some ISO can recollect anything that falls off. Plus it contains the smell much better. That aside, I'm not nor have I ever been offended by good herb - regardless of how it came to me.

I think over packaging only serves to increase the production input and that gets passed directly on to the consumer expenditure. Businesses won't reduce profit margins. A smart consumer is perfectly okay with the less is more concept. I've never been to keen on dealing with trendy sorts anyway. I've always been more underground come sit on the couch for a few minutes instead of visiting a retail outlet. I only set foot in a dispensary one time in my life, and that was to drop off, not to pick up. After that, I didn't like being on camera and said if they wanted more, they could come find me, not the other way around. Needless to say, it was my one and only transaction. I was fine with that.

I guess at my core I'm just too much of a "hippie" for unbridled, raw capitalism.



dank.Frank

I hear ya frank. It's been a while since I walked away. There were still a couple guys who were clinging to the old ways when I finally closed shop.

Today I think even the most die hard of them would be too spoiled with their options to satisfy them, enough for me to want to deal with them.

Let me explain.... I'm sure I could satisfy anyone's needs as far as killer dope goes, it's their need to bring up and talk about killer dope I ain't got that would end up making want to say enough!haha

Everyone's a connoisseur these days.

It's hard enough to get people to appreciate free weed these days!lol

Maybe all my friends are assholes!haha

 

[DRM Ranch]

Hey now, free weed is free weed...lets not get our drawers in a bunch ;-)

 

[resin_lung]

Hey now, free weed is free weed...lets not get our drawers in a bunch ;-)

Right?hahaha

 

[onefinity]

Classic case of looking a gift horse in the mouth? Free is free... I see a paying customer often drawn to visual appeal, - but at the end of the day, aren't people just going to light it on fire anyways? Best smoke I ever had came out of an Altoids container..

 

[resin_lung]

Best smoke I ever had came out of an Altoids container..

Classic quote!

 

[DRM Ranch]

Best smoke I ever had came out of...shit laden soil.

 

[dank.frank]

You know, I'm a weed snob for sure. But that is in reference to the FLOWER. Not anything else. I like to know genetics because I want to know what is effective medicine and I like the stories and histories, not because it alters my perception of what it is or how it'll smoke. I'm not really a Bodhi fan, but when someone told me, here try this SFV x G13/HP from his work, I did so gladly. I was very quick to admit it was some fantastic herb and some of the best indica type meds I ever had. I came on the boards and fessed up it was great herb. Smoked a couple others and wasn't so impressed. Came of like some TGA type line.

Don't be so much of a hater or a fan boy or a shill or a sucker for good marketing, that you loose objectivity of what really matters. I've smoked some pretty BAD flowers in my time, and I'm still grateful for them. Makes me appreciate the best ones, that much more.

Side note - I lost my Fire x Skunk Va mom like a moron. Have more seed. Sorry Subrob. My bad. Wish he was here to scald me like I deserve. Good vibes to that brother where ever he is.



dank.Frank

 

[Tardigrade]

I love Joey 'Coco' Diaz, he has a story about flying from LA to NYC, gets in a conflict with a guy over a cab, and suggests he needs to smoke.

Guy pauses, and agrees, but confesses he has nothing...

So Joey reaches down into his croch, retrieves some (fresh?) from CA nugs, which he offers to a grateful recipient...

Moral of the story: conflicts are never really about what they are about

and if you are focused on the khuntainer, well then...

 

[Tardigrade]

Side note - I lost my Fire x Skunk Va mom like a moron. Have more seed. Sorry Subrob. My bad. Wish he was here to scald me like I deserve. Good vibes to that brother where ever he is.

dank.Frank[/QUOTE]

Sub's all good, I saw him recently at a biker bar, standing near the entrance with a sign that said

Free Hugs, or Ass Whoopins, Take ur Pick

 

[DRM Ranch]

I love Joey 'Coco' Diaz, he has a story about flying from LA to NYC, gets in a conflict with a guy over a cab, and suggests he needs to smoke.

Guy pauses, and agrees, but confesses he has nothing...

So Joey reaches down into his croch, retrieves some (fresh?) from CA nugs, which he offers to a grateful recipient...

Moral of the story: conflicts are never really about what they are about

and if you are focused on the khuntainer, well then...

Seeing as it's legal here consumers have the luxury of choice between crotch weed and pretty much any sort of bud packaged in any method known to man.

Legality has impacted the market and how the consumer decides on what cannabis they will spend their money on.

Any of those consumers can transition from being okay with buying crotch weed to expecting a metal tin of their favorite strain from the dispensory delivery guy...at least here they can.

It isn't so much about being focused on packaging as it is with being aware of the consumers expectations as a whole.

 

[toxic hippie]

Subrob needs to make a comeback the political threads aren't the same without him

 

[dank.frank]

DRM - I hear what you are saying and from a money making stand point, you have to keep in mind what the consumer wants. At the same time, if you have ever worked retail or own your own business, then you know, the customer is NOT always right.

When I was a med grower, a new patient would get a round table smoke sesh with me. I'd have 8-12 strains and we'd set aside and afternoon to go through them. No names ever discussed or details ever given. Just sampling. You'd be amazed how many times people would discover they had developed a personal bias in favor of or against something, without even knowing it. What they really liked or what was really effective for them, was very rarely what they thought it would be.

If someone got somewhat upset and then started off on a path of, "well, I know I like _____ (the current winner of popularity contests - ie the newest money maker), so you must not have the real deal..." then I knew automatically, they weren't looking for medicine but were looking for a great price to resale and profit off my generosity.

It served as a functional format for many reasons. Get to really know the patient. Get to find what is really effective for their needs. Get to weed out the frauds and the hustlers.

The point of the story, and the basis for my argument - the only way to beat slick marketing and consumer perceptions, is through EDUCATION. After such an afternoon/evening gauntlet sesh, it didn't matter what they got to try from other people or in what manner of packaging it came to them, they knew at the end of the day, I was the one actually looking out for their interests and truly trying to HELP them with their medical needs. Not take advantage of them. Not push the latest fad.

A fully legal recreational market, in my mind is no different than a black market. I still taught people the differences. I still shared information. I still encouraged people to stop being customers and start being their own providers. I've always embraced the overgrow mentality. I'm in favor of homegrown over dispensary and commercial sites. I'll always prefer to support mom and pop and help them improve their methodologies as opposed to trying to climb the ladder and find something "better". I'd rather teach granny for free than act as a paid consultant for a 1,000 lamp warehouse.

I'm not condemning those who choose differently. It's just reflective of those that taught me the ropes and being true to where I came from. I have to be able to put my head on my pillow at night.



dank.Frank

 

[Terpene]

I feel so blessed to have great friends who continually throw amazing genetics at me so I don't have to smoke crotch weed...


More pics from the micro show:

In order left to right:
Colombian Gold x Sour Dog (2 pots with every seed I was given to see if any pop)
Med Tree Seeds Orange Antoinette F2 (3 front)
ZamE x MaurE F1 (1 rear)
Ace Seeds Panama Goddess x Honduras F1 (2)
Honduras x Alien OrangeADE (3)

The Honduras Alien OrangeADE crosses will be ready to go into flower within a day or three. The Panama x Honduras are about a week behind that. ZamE x MaurE a week behind that. So from seeds in dirt, its about 25-35 days before they're ready for flowering (including germ time). Clones are about 12-16 days. Its a mini conveyor belt of plants.

The Kaya is a week into flower:

 

[unregistered190]

Hey Terpene, I see you run mainly sativas in your indoor setup. Just curious if these are some hybrids or strictly sativa and what your average flower time is? Thanks

 

[resin_lung]

Loving the discussion fellas.

 

[onavelzy]

Seeing as it's legal here consumers have the luxury of choice between crotch weed and pretty much any sort of bud packaged in any method known to man.

Legality has impacted the market and how the consumer decides on what cannabis they will spend their money on.

Any of those consumers can transition from being okay with buying crotch weed to expecting a metal tin of their favorite strain from the dispensory delivery guy...at least here they can.

It isn't so much about being focused on packaging as it is with being aware of the consumers expectations as a whole.

fwiw,

i harvested my first grow a couple of months ago with the intent of sharing it with my family and with their friends. I bought some small 4 and 8 oz mason jars from WM to put the buds in for those who were being gifted to. I thought they looked good and were practical, with regards to smell etc.

Most of the folks who got some weed told the kids the jars were too clunky and to just use bags, they were fine with the simple way.

Now, I just give folks a choice, glass or baggies. Its' a small population, but just about everyone I've donated to said baggie.


The quantity might be a reason too. I think if I was sharing larger amounts, over an ounce or two, then they'd probably want the glass or metal containers, but I haven't gotten to that stage of generosity yet.

 

[Grow Tech]

Sorry to change topic but what do you guys think...Mite Egg?

I found a few of these on cuttings I took off a mom that I found Spider Mites on. This cutting got an Avid dip over a week ago.
I've read eggs can hatch in 2-3 days. If this is an egg it was laid over a week ago. Any idea how long Spier Mite eggs can remain viable?

 

[DRM Ranch]

DRM - I hear what you are saying and from a money making stand point, you have to keep in mind what the consumer wants. At the same time, if you have ever worked retail or own your own business, then you know, the customer is NOT always right.

When I was a med grower, a new patient would get a round table smoke sesh with me. I'd have 8-12 strains and we'd set aside and afternoon to go through them. No names ever discussed or details ever given. Just sampling. You'd be amazed how many times people would discover they had developed a personal bias in favor of or against something, without even knowing it. What they really liked or what was really effective for them, was very rarely what they thought it would be.

If someone got somewhat upset and then started off on a path of, "well, I know I like _____ (the current winner of popularity contests - ie the newest money maker), so you must not have the real deal..." then I knew automatically, they weren't looking for medicine but were looking for a great price to resale and profit off my generosity.

It served as a functional format for many reasons. Get to really know the patient. Get to find what is really effective for their needs. Get to weed out the frauds and the hustlers.

The point of the story, and the basis for my argument - the only way to beat slick marketing and consumer perceptions, is through EDUCATION. After such an afternoon/evening gauntlet sesh, it didn't matter what they got to try from other people or in what manner of packaging it came to them, they knew at the end of the day, I was the one actually looking out for their interests and truly trying to HELP them with their medical needs. Not take advantage of them. Not push the latest fad.

A fully legal recreational market, in my mind is no different than a black market. I still taught people the differences. I still shared information. I still encouraged people to stop being customers and start being their own providers. I've always embraced the overgrow mentality. I'm in favor of homegrown over dispensary and commercial sites. I'll always prefer to support mom and pop and help them improve their methodologies as opposed to trying to climb the ladder and find something "better". I'd rather teach granny for free than act as a paid consultant for a 1,000 lamp warehouse.

I'm not condemning those who choose differently. It's just reflective of those that taught me the ropes and being true to where I came from. I have to be able to put my head on my pillow at night.



dank.Frank

I really like the blind testing method you mention here.

Also, you are very correct that the customer isn't always right, I know this very well.

To be quite honest I have found that free teaching is counter productive in the long haul; it is quite honorable and I'm in no way attempting to belittle that path. Let me elaborate just a bit, giving away something for free often devalues that thing; be it an object or information, even just an idea.

I did the whole free educational thing when I was deep into the exotic pet world, and while my passion and love for that whole world never faltered, my lack of capitalism hindered my ability to truly grow in the field.

fwiw,

i harvested my first grow a couple of months ago with the intent of sharing it with my family and with their friends. I bought some small 4 and 8 oz mason jars from WM to put the buds in for those who were being gifted to. I thought they looked good and were practical, with regards to smell etc.

Most of the folks who got some weed told the kids the jars were too clunky and to just use bags, they were fine with the simple way.

Now, I just give folks a choice, glass or baggies. Its' a small population, but just about everyone I've donated to said baggie.


The quantity might be a reason too. I think if I was sharing larger amounts, over an ounce or two, then they'd probably want the glass or metal containers, but I haven't gotten to that stage of generosity yet.

I fully understand, to each their own. In the end it really needs to be about the contents of the container not so much the container itself.

Sorry to change topic but what do you guys think...Mite Egg?
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I found a few of these on cuttings I took off a mom that I found Spider Mites on. This cutting got an Avid dip over a week ago.
I've read eggs can hatch in 2-3 days. If this is an egg it was laid over a week ago. Any idea how long Spier Mite eggs can remain viable?

It does look like an egg, how long eggs remain viable is a function of temperature, humidity, and exposure to other threats of various sorts. If you have your temps set in the mid 70s I would expect a 5-7 day hatch time, closer to 80 will result in the 2-3 day hatch time. In my opinion a 7 day cycle of preventive action should catch most just prior to sexual maturity. What you use in your own IPM is up to you, just rotate products and make sure the products use a different action to kill the mites to avoid resistance.

In my exotic reptile days we would use elevated CO2 levels and no pest strips to clear enclosures of any unwanted insect pests such as mites, I believe avid + CO2 at just under plant toxicity levels would be very effective for clearing pests from a garden. To be effective you are looking at 600,000ppm of CO2 for 16h at 80°F though. That's enough to kill you too so, yeah the struggle is real. I have never lost the plants in a vivarium to the CO2 and no pest strips method, I've yet to see a need to gas my grow so the jury is out on personal experience with cannabis and this method.

 

[Grow Tech]

DRM....not 70's, more like 90-100 f. As the cool kids would say, "hot AF"