San Diego Finest Cuts #3

[newguy41410]

That girl I told you about, well, she let me take this...figured yall wouldnt mind

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=70706&pictureid=1713010View Image

have you determined the sex of the


just messing with ya man, im just jealous

 

[Terpene]

Nice females Cali!

Honduras landrace at 17 week chop is ugly, but the output is solid. The excessive rain caused the plants to flush out a bit about halfway through their development and I've been making up for it ever since.
Columnar pheno

Stretchy pheno

Alien Orange Cookies x Alien Dawg Ether at 2.5 weeks in DankFrank's soil mix. The male is doing excellent outdoors and shows no signs of stress, just big, green and healthy all over. The female on the other hand is starting to show signs of either light bleaching or a magnesium deficiency. The lightening / discoloration is more toward the center of the plant / top branches, so its probably the latter but I am holding off juicing them for now. Here's the 3'x3.5' female under the LEDs:

AOCxADE male outside

Ethiopian x Zamaldelica females in large veg:

 

[Cadfael]

Amazing work Terpene.

I would never have the patience for a 17 week strain.

 

[DoomsDay]

17 weeks... holy hell man. That's one you just tuck in a corner of the flower room and just add water without paying any mind to haha.

Bet it's going to be a fun smoke none the less! Be sure to make a report

 

[dank.frank]

I remember Phillthy handing me a joint with 18 wk mango haze in it. Was expecting to be twisted. Nope. Carroty hay with absolutely no bite. Was completely disappointing. He felt he wasted his time.

However, there was a gnarly sticky 12wk pheno that tasted just like mango. Still didn't pack too much of a punch though. Was good daytime get stuff done herb though.

I couldn't imagine devoting that much time!



dank.Frank

 

[RulaTone]

This thread has it all!!
exotic sativas from equatorial latitudes, insane hybrids of the newest genetics, fine connosseurs with a fantastic attitude! and now top models pheno side b!!
You guys need to realize you are on top of the game!
Favourite thread ever!

all the best!!

 

[whadeezlrg]

Cali- I remember the days of having a tent humming in my bedroom... Don't miss that at all lol

 

[Terpene]

Thanks all!

The Honduras should finish in about 14-15 weeks, but the heavy rains / cold temps caused it to "freeze up" and go a bit longer. Theoretically I could have pushed this one longer, but it was throwing late flower herms (with viable pollen!) and I decided that it was time to kill her. Here's a few more pics of the Hondurans:

stretchy pheno (you can see the beginnings of a couple seeds at the top of the first image)

columnar pheno

 

[dank.frank]

Hey Terp. Make sure you pay attention to this part of that sticky:

For any of the above methods all ingredients are simply mixed into the soil and then given water through out the plants entire life cycle. When growing in pots / containers simply transplant into a larger container as necessary (in gallons):

.5-2, 1-3, 2-5, 3-7, 5-10, 10-25, etc...(veg to flower examples given)


If trying to push plants a bit harder for yields:

-Per Gallon of water -

wk2:
1/4 tsp Thrive Alive B1 (green label)

wk 3:
1 tsp of Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp of Budswel Liquid (yellow)

wk 4:
1 tsp of General Organics Cal/Mg

wk 5:
1 tsp Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp Budswel (yellow label)

The products themselves can be exchanged, as long as they are the same "type" of feed.

The soil mix discussed in that thread, is about as strong as you'd want to ever make a water only mix. It'll take some time figuring out exactly how big a plant should be when flowering her out vs what size container you will want to utilize.

The one gallon per foot of growth or one gallon per desired ounce of yield, has been a standard even back on Overgrow. That doesn't always correlate based on genetics, but it is a good conceptual starting place.

My main point being, I'd adjust soil volume or size of plant going into flower - before I'd start trying to tweak the ratios of amendments.



dank.Frank

 

[Terpene]

Hey Terp. Make sure you pay attention to this part of that sticky:

The products themselves can be exchanged, as long as they are the same "type" of feed.

The soil mix discussed in that thread, is about as strong as you'd want to ever make a water only mix. It'll take some time figuring out exactly how big a plant should be when flowering her out vs what size container you will want to utilize.

The one gallon per foot of growth or one gallon per desired ounce of yield, has been a standard even back on Overgrow. That doesn't always correlate based on genetics, but it is a good conceptual starting place.

My main point being, I'd adjust soil volume or size of plant going into flower - before I'd start trying to tweak the ratios of amendments.

dank.Frank

Thanks for the heads up sir.

The SIPs are much more forgiving with over vegged, root bound plants, so 3.5 gallon containers work like a 7-8 gallon soil pot. Soil volume is a non-negotiable - I want to keep the containers on the small side to stretch things further. I don't normally run plants with a 3x3.5'' canopy but in the case of the gigantor AOCxADE male and female, I over vegged them to the max to test the upper limits of your mix. That female's stem has a 2 inch diameter..

It looks like with larger plants you're still juicing them with b1, calcium, magnesium, potassium and a small bit of nitrogen as they roll through flower. Now that I have your blessing, I will start with foliars of gypsum / epsom salt to correct the CalMag issue and start adding Pure Blend Pro Soil Bloom for the potassium / minor nitrogen.

 

[dank.frank]

Well, with larger plants, I'm compensating with larger soil volumes, technically. Much like yourself, I'd use the bottle feeds to see if I was actually pushing the plants enough. I couldn't feed, even in those low doses, once a week - without seeing some tip burn show up which meant I know I was pushing them at just the right threshold.

I think it's wise of you to find the limitations of the mix right out of the gate. Good approach. I understand that not being an option in your situation. The immediate generic response is to not put plants too large into flower.

ANOTHER thing I've ran into time and time again with people in PM. Everyone seems to try to veg a week or two into the final container under intense lighting and that depletes the nitrogen levels drastically.

I'll always wait until a couple hours before lights out and start transplanting. I'll move plants needing harvested out. New plants go in their place right at lights out. They get their first 12 hours darkness immediately after transplant. Lights come on and start counting day 1.

I've seen plenty of people struggling with ca/mg issues in this mix. THE BIGGEST reason, I've discovered, is people are trying to combine the base mix with Coot type foliars - the AgSil, aloe, kelp, sprouted barley, etc. This creates an issue of too much potassium which then locks out Mg and other micro nutrients leading to a wave of unusual problems that look like 5 things at once.

The thread has some 12k views and I've gotten PM's from countless people using the mix. Some successfully and some not so much. It's kind of hard to diagnose EVERY variable. It works for me.

LIGHTNING intensity is another funny thing. This mix was developed under multiple 1k's and it may be TOO STRONG for plants growing under less intensity and therefore have less photosynthetic response, resulting in less nutrient demand.

Water only soil - so easy, right.



dank.Frank

 

[Terpene]

LOL on so many points!

Yeah, I figured if I was going to run the new mix, I had better know what I can and can't do with a production style strain first (ADE crosses) so I have lots of already existing examples to compare to. Running a landrace x landrace tester / over vegged / that is the first of its kind - wouldn't be nearly as good of an A/B test.

On that note, the Mauritius x Ethiopians were popped in the soil mix (drop in, water, wait for sprouts) without issue and 100% germ, so we now know you can run extreme sats start to finish in your mix.

I used to pot up and flower just like you do, but I've found with the extremely skinny leaf plants that it can lead to an additional week or two of flowering due to excessive nitrogen levels. They still smoke great while looking happy and green throughout development but on some stretchier pure haze phenos this leads to 24-26 week flowering times which isn't ideal.

My quick fix is to run a botanicare soil nutes (even though I am technically soil-hydro) because they add nitrogen throughout flower. The downside is that you know you're dosing pro blend soil right when the leaf tips burn and then just barely start hooking.

Lighting intensity is another thing altogether. My LED flowering area is now brighter than any canopy I've visited - HPS / CMH / MH, you name it.

Bright shade outside / 1000w canopies register at roughly 1500 on this meter, full sunlight hard right 2000+ This could be the reason the male looks so nice and healthy outside in partial shade while the female is oversucking the container, but because I believe that every "good" experiment has about 50 variables, we'll never know.

As a whole, I am very happy with the mix and its going to work out fine for me as well - provided I don't try to go for record setting stem thicknesses like I did with AOCxADE (and even then, its working great).

 

[Grow Tech]

Great stuff everyone!
I'm liking the structure on this
Alien Dawg-Ether x Alien Orange Cookies

...and it's shown itself to be a girl
Oh...just wanted to put it out there that for community projects I consider naming privileges go to the pheno selector...just supply correct lineage info when asked

 

[ECtraveler]

Mindmeld pollinated by Antoinette OG x Tangie

 

[Tardigrade]

Damn, EC kills it again

 

[Caligreen1]

Dank EC!

Dank EC!

GG4 @50 looking quick!

 

[Terpene]

Oops. The AOCxADE is double pollinated.

It appears my late-flowering herm flowers on the Hondurans have very lightly wind pollinated the upper/central canopy on the AOCxADE female. While I generally distrust herm beans, the Honduras smoke is very similar to purple highland Colombians mixed with Panamanian. The effect is very positive, social, clear but dreamy, a little bit disorienting and has no ceiling. You could sum it up best by telling someone they'll be saying "Whaaaaa?" a lot. They yield remarkably well, so I'm excited to see how things turn out with my accidental cross.

The AOCxADE male is still very tangeriney when the stem is rubbed, but the plant has developed a rubber pencil eraser odor which is noticeable at distance. To keep things as separate as possible, the AOCxADE male's pollen was hand pollinated (paintbrush) on several marked lower branches.

Future generations of F2s may have one or two AOC/ADE x Honduras pop up. Thankfully the structure of the AOC/ADE is remarkably squat and dense which will be very different than the stretchy, highland Colombian style sativa growth in the Hondurans.

 

[Grow Tech]

Both my and Subs AD-E x AOC girls will go in to flower within about a week. Can't wait to get them flipped and then do a little f2 making

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Great stuff everyone!
I'm liking the structure on this
Alien Dawg-Ether x Alien Orange Cookies
View Image
...and it's shown itself to be a girl
Oh...just wanted to put it out there that for community projects I consider naming privileges go to the pheno selector...just supply correct lineage info when asked

That's a very nice plant. I will be popping Alien Orange Cookies in a couple weeks

 

[ECtraveler]

Antoinette OG bc1/bx1

An un-topped Richness f2 (type III/high CBD) that's not exactly pretty but a very nice yielder.