Absolutely. I germ in paper towels & go right in to 3L airpots for veg & sexing. Next time I grow fems they'll go from paper towels directly in to 5 gallon flowering containers. A guy can transplant his way into a lot of unnecessary work...
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Absolutely. I germ in paper towels & go right in to 3L airpots for veg & sexing. Next time I grow fems they'll go from paper towels directly in to 5 gallon flowering containers. A guy can transplant his way into a lot of unnecessary work...
HorseBadoritiz
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Avi, just a heads up. I asked an professional exterminator buddy about NPS when I had mites.
"NO PEST STRIPS
DDVP/Dichlorvos/No Pest Strips are no good for cannabis cultivation. Dichlorvos is a volatile cholinesterase inhibiting organophosphate.
So volatile it is primarily used as a fumigant. It is a proven carcinogen. A 2010 study found that each 10-fold increase in urinary concentration of organophosphate metabolites was associated with a 55% to 72% increase in the odds of ADHD in children. It conclusively binds to DNA although it's mutagenic properties are still being debated.
The FDA has been restricting it's usage more and more every year as new information has come out. According to the MSDS and most labels- It is NEVER to be stored around children, food, seed, or fertilizer.
It was Restricted in the European Union after 2002.
From the NO PEST STRIPS Label- Always read the Label- especially when applying to your medicine. - bottom of page is a link-
NOT FOR USE IN OCCUPIED HOMES-
Do not be in the presence of strips in unoccupied areas for more than 4 hours -in garage, shed, attic, or other normally unoccupied area. (not including food areas)
Only use pest strips is the area will be unoccupied for 4 months.
Do not use in the food/feed processing or food/feed manufacturing or food/feed service establishments (you can't legally hang this in a restaurant!)
A little article on dichlorvous- http://www.wired.com/2014/01/cdc-war...e-pest-strips/
As you say- The poison is in the dose, and dichlovous doesn't take much to become poison.You couldn't be more spot on with that statement. But obviously some things are far more toxic than others, and considering you aren't allowed to be in the same room as this pesticide, handle it without gloves, breathe near it without a respirator, nor are you supposed to use it near anything that is considered food or will grow to become food I would never, ever consider putting a no pest strip anywhere near your plants. It volatilizes off the strip, into the air, and onto the plant, which you then either oxidize or consume. The combustion and inhalation of organophosphates aren't even studied, as they included on the label not to smoke or use tobacco when using dichlorvos, so they don't even need to further research the nasty effects it can have on you when lit on fire and inhaled. It's toxic enough on it's own through dermal exposure As you know oxidation and combustion completely change the molecular makeup of these chemicals and can make them much more toxic.
And on that subject I strongly advise anyone who uses Sevin outside on their property, to stop using Carbaryl immediately. Bayer did a study in the 80's about toxicity with regards to tobacco smoke, and through the study, found it to be extremely toxic to those who use cannabis, though not so bad for those just using tobacco. Apparently when cannabis binds to the cannabinoid receptors, it allows the carbaryl to more easily disrupt the cholinesterese system. Considering that organophosphates work with the same mode of action, it would be reasonable to assume the NO PEST STRIPS/DDVP are also more toxic to cannabis users as well. Pesticide companies don't have to warn you of this, because cannabis is a Schedule 1 substance. If it were schedule two, they would have to further research the link between cannabis users and increased toxicity from cholinesterese inhibitors. If I forgot to mention before, although atropine may be used as an emergency antidote for acute toxicity/poisonings. Most damage done to the nervous system is irreversible.
Stay away from Organophosphates, Organochlorides and Carbamates if possible folks- there's so many safer options out there that really do work.Pyrethroids for example are a great place to start. We're trying to make people medicine, not poison them or ourselves."
"NO PEST STRIPS
DDVP/Dichlorvos/No Pest Strips are no good for cannabis cultivation. Dichlorvos is a volatile cholinesterase inhibiting organophosphate.
So volatile it is primarily used as a fumigant. It is a proven carcinogen. A 2010 study found that each 10-fold increase in urinary concentration of organophosphate metabolites was associated with a 55% to 72% increase in the odds of ADHD in children. It conclusively binds to DNA although it's mutagenic properties are still being debated.
The FDA has been restricting it's usage more and more every year as new information has come out. According to the MSDS and most labels- It is NEVER to be stored around children, food, seed, or fertilizer.
It was Restricted in the European Union after 2002.
From the NO PEST STRIPS Label- Always read the Label- especially when applying to your medicine. - bottom of page is a link-
NOT FOR USE IN OCCUPIED HOMES-
Do not be in the presence of strips in unoccupied areas for more than 4 hours -in garage, shed, attic, or other normally unoccupied area. (not including food areas)
Only use pest strips is the area will be unoccupied for 4 months.
Do not use in the food/feed processing or food/feed manufacturing or food/feed service establishments (you can't legally hang this in a restaurant!)
A little article on dichlorvous- http://www.wired.com/2014/01/cdc-war...e-pest-strips/
As you say- The poison is in the dose, and dichlovous doesn't take much to become poison.You couldn't be more spot on with that statement. But obviously some things are far more toxic than others, and considering you aren't allowed to be in the same room as this pesticide, handle it without gloves, breathe near it without a respirator, nor are you supposed to use it near anything that is considered food or will grow to become food I would never, ever consider putting a no pest strip anywhere near your plants. It volatilizes off the strip, into the air, and onto the plant, which you then either oxidize or consume. The combustion and inhalation of organophosphates aren't even studied, as they included on the label not to smoke or use tobacco when using dichlorvos, so they don't even need to further research the nasty effects it can have on you when lit on fire and inhaled. It's toxic enough on it's own through dermal exposure As you know oxidation and combustion completely change the molecular makeup of these chemicals and can make them much more toxic.
And on that subject I strongly advise anyone who uses Sevin outside on their property, to stop using Carbaryl immediately. Bayer did a study in the 80's about toxicity with regards to tobacco smoke, and through the study, found it to be extremely toxic to those who use cannabis, though not so bad for those just using tobacco. Apparently when cannabis binds to the cannabinoid receptors, it allows the carbaryl to more easily disrupt the cholinesterese system. Considering that organophosphates work with the same mode of action, it would be reasonable to assume the NO PEST STRIPS/DDVP are also more toxic to cannabis users as well. Pesticide companies don't have to warn you of this, because cannabis is a Schedule 1 substance. If it were schedule two, they would have to further research the link between cannabis users and increased toxicity from cholinesterese inhibitors. If I forgot to mention before, although atropine may be used as an emergency antidote for acute toxicity/poisonings. Most damage done to the nervous system is irreversible.
Stay away from Organophosphates, Organochlorides and Carbamates if possible folks- there's so many safer options out there that really do work.Pyrethroids for example are a great place to start. We're trying to make people medicine, not poison them or ourselves."
thanks HB!
im using the NPS out in the barn, noone lives out there now and not even the cat is out there - the barn cat has imposed himself upon our living room rocking chair, seems like he is an indoor cat now
def i would never use those strips in the house or in the barn when someone was living out there or keeping animals in there
usually i use them for about 2 - 3 weeks in a space (always veg) then trash the strips and go back to maintenance sprays (like pyrethrins)
i have read that given long enough the HS NPS will even kill worms in the soil...
i'd never use sevin on weed.... yikes
im using the NPS out in the barn, noone lives out there now and not even the cat is out there - the barn cat has imposed himself upon our living room rocking chair, seems like he is an indoor cat now
def i would never use those strips in the house or in the barn when someone was living out there or keeping animals in there
usually i use them for about 2 - 3 weeks in a space (always veg) then trash the strips and go back to maintenance sprays (like pyrethrins)
i have read that given long enough the HS NPS will even kill worms in the soil...
i'd never use sevin on weed.... yikes
here are some pics coming back from my seed testers:
^ Miles Bubba Kush x sour bubble
^ Miles bubba kush x sour bubble
^^^ (lucky charms x black lime reserve) x sour bubble
^^ Miles Bubba kush x flo scout
^ Miles Bubba Kush x sour bubble
^ Miles bubba kush x sour bubble
^^^ (lucky charms x black lime reserve) x sour bubble
^^ Miles Bubba kush x flo scout
I've been doing some transplanting myself too. Still got more to do too in the next few days.
^ canopy, day one of week 5
also known as day 29 since the light cycle changed to 12 on/12off
^ helicopter ride over the jungle
^ catpiss moontang on left, lime cookies bubba on right - structure of the catpiss moontang is great, love the way she stacks, and the lime cookies bubba is like a fashion model, showing lavendar/purple/mauve undersides of fan leaves this early in bloom already
so apparently that room map i made is incorrect... i mislabeled several clones so the strain map is off
i didn't expect lime cookies bubba in this run, but so pleased because it's a favorite flavor, the outdoor LCB is unreal, popping open a 5 gallon bucket full of the stuff is an incredible olfactory experience.
^ comfrey mulch on the plants on the benches
^nightmare cookies
didn't think there were any plants of this strain in the mix either.... unlabeled, mislabeled.... damnit
^ under the canopy shot
looks dope! nice work on the comfrey, yo.
released a bunch of lady bugs into my bloom room to fight off the last of the aphids, don't want to spray my flowers after week4....
so far so good, these ladybugs have lasted longer than they usually do for me.... seems like they might be working!
so far so good, these ladybugs have lasted longer than they usually do for me.... seems like they might be working!
i have DE HPS in the bloom now and a couple of 315w CMH
i sprayed some sugar water (only UNDER the canopy) jsut before and after releasing the bugs - was told it makes their wings sticky and they fly less as a result...
not sure how that worked
but i also put my fans on high across the canopy so that the lil fuckers have a harder time flying above the canopy level, still i see them able to fly across the room every now and then, and i DO smell one burning up every now and then but not that common when i've been in the bloom room, most of them seem to be running around the soil level, hanging out on drip line (that isn't being used much)
i sprayed some sugar water (only UNDER the canopy) jsut before and after releasing the bugs - was told it makes their wings sticky and they fly less as a result...
not sure how that worked
but i also put my fans on high across the canopy so that the lil fuckers have a harder time flying above the canopy level, still i see them able to fly across the room every now and then, and i DO smell one burning up every now and then but not that common when i've been in the bloom room, most of them seem to be running around the soil level, hanging out on drip line (that isn't being used much)
ya we make loads of canna-caps....
^ Chunky Diesel (ECSD x Deep Chunk by jefe noche / budding industries)
^^
Lime cookies Bubba mid week 5
^ canopy
^
blue power x raskal berries from the light dep
really nice flavor without being super stoney
i guess what people would call a "daytime buzz"
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working on the breeding chamber, giving the girls about 10 day head start on the BK male
also released more lady bugs, fuckers don't seem to be doing it.... at least there are plenty of them alive still in there, i see them running around inthe mulch layer instead of canopy
still waiting on rove beetles
also released more lady bugs, fuckers don't seem to be doing it.... at least there are plenty of them alive still in there, i see them running around inthe mulch layer instead of canopy
still waiting on rove beetles
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