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Avinash.miles

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so you keeping those kiddie pools going or what? beds at every site?

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couple of these bad lucys and bang! zoom! straight to the moon!

still using the kiddie pools w cardboard risers in the tents, for now
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kiddie pools are gone in the big room (8lights)
until now i was undecided what i wanted to do for soil beds, but now i know i want something that looks like the blue space rocket bed shown above :D
 

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Avainash, how do you know when you have watered enough? I like the beds and the pools. Do you have drainage?, not sure if that's important in organic soil.
 

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Avainash, how do you know when you have watered enough? I like the beds and the pools. Do you have drainage?, not sure if that's important in organic soil.
yes drainage yes
holes drilled in the bottom of the pools always; soil must drain AND have proper aeration

i generally water well and try not to allow much dry-out at all... i try to maintain consistent moisture levels.

i typically will pull back the mulch layer and put my finger down into the soil to tell how much dryout has occured
i water 100 gallons of soil about 2 times per week with 3-5 gallons per watering. i try to spread it out as best i can, im using 1gal jugs to water with so i need to not concentrate where i pour, as long as mulch layer is significant enough (an inch or so deep at least) it never becomes a problem really, but i wonder about moisture consistency thru-out these large-ish beds im creating; so far i've used one bed per light or roughly that kind of scenario - 4 kiddie pools per 8 lights, 2 pools per 2 lights, etc

but
now the plan is to build a large bed (maybe more, but probably one) on pallets or some riser that will have a catch tray or plastic liner (so my floor remains dry but drainage can happen)
the new bed(s, but probably only 1) will most likely have soaker hoses or drip-lines on timers that i can fine tune to match how the soil holds water and air
planning on mixing brand new soil for the new bed (under 8k, where big kiddie pools were at) and considering using blood and bone as amendments (because in the past i've had incredible runs in similar mixes) that also has this dark black mesa soil in it... also considering fish bone and feather instead of blood and bone... while also stacking the soil full of calcium from several different sources - gypsum (rock dust AND prilled calcium sulfate from western minerals), vansil, even the fish bone and feather has some, possibly some crustacean meal as well.

still getting muddy and sore getting water flowing over the field; still getting this lil light dep GH up
still busy af - BOTH the workers got part time jobs and i've not got them ALL the time like a few weeks ago...
 
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When you create fresh mixes do you pre soak the peat seperate to help with water retention ?

no, mixing wet soil is a pain in the ass
i mix base soil dry, then mix in amendments dry THEN water in with yucca/aloe (been using thermex70 yucca extract at about 1 oz per gal) till i get some runoff and feel like the soil is consistently moistened
 

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now the plan is to build a large bed (maybe more, but probably one) on pallets or some riser that will have a catch tray or plastic liner (so my floor remains dry but drainage can happen)
the new bed(s, but probably only 1) will most likely have soaker hoses or drip-lines on timers that i can fine tune to match how the soil holds water and air

Check out the blusoak systems from Sustainable Village. Using blumats in pots really upped my game & are a tremendous time saver.

I'd inquire over in the blumat thread to get others' impressions of their tape systems since I haven't used them.
 

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thanks for the input J, i've considered blumatsin the past, but not sure how well they will work in the bIG soil beds i've been using and the BIGGER one(s) im planning on building next
 

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ive got a ton of blumats im not using... just sayin. im gonna do soak hoses on timer soon. also, in my humble opinion, fish n feather > blood n bone all day. but you already know that. also, my new mix is performing better than i could have hoped. you know where it is!
 

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ive got a ton of blumats im not using... just sayin. im gonna do soak hoses on timer soon. also, in my humble opinion, fish n feather > blood n bone all day. but you already know that. also, my new mix is performing better than i could have hoped. you know where it is!

why do u say fish& feather > blood/bone?

i know blumats can work in post that are kinda narrow, but for really soaking large areas im not sure.... def wana do something somewhat automated for my "new room"
 

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dropped the 2nd trellis net down on the kush bed and gg4 plant; here are some before and after pics:
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^gg4 canopy before the trellis net
you can see some light burn, i raised the light AND switched out the 1000w HPS for a 600w HPS to reduce any further burn

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^^ GG4 after the 2nd layer of trellis

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^ "kush bed" canopy pre-net

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^"kush bed" after 2nd trellis net layer
legend og on left, 24K white on right

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^^^ the entire tent
 

nameless

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gorgeous! so im too lazy to source info atm, but in my opinion, birds and fish are exposed to a lot less shit than pigs and cows. plus blood is gross and it will burn stuff quicker than fish. also, its just something ive noticed in general. i did blood and bone as the base amendments for years, and i feel and see and taste an improvement since moving away from them. now my only animal product is a couple different types of bird poop and crab meal. im never going back.
again, totally unqualified gut feeling based only on my personal observations.
 

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gorgeous! so im too lazy to source info atm, but in my opinion, birds and fish are exposed to a lot less shit than pigs and cows. plus blood is gross and it will burn stuff quicker than fish. also, its just something ive noticed in general. i did blood and bone as the base amendments for years, and i feel and see and taste an improvement since moving away from them. now my only animal product is a couple different types of bird poop and crab meal. im never going back.
again, totally unqualified gut feeling based only on my personal observations.

i agree with ya 100%. Guanos and fish/crab meal/lobster meal are the only non-vegan materials i'll ever use for fertilizer. And even crab/fish and guanos *can* be contaminated...just depends the source or location the material was harvested from.
 

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i haven't used guano in a couple years now
as for any kind of "vegan" organics... the concept is laughable to me
organic soil depends upon LIFE in the soil - from micro-biology, to insects, to earthworms, etc.
imo the only "vegan" growing is dead rez hydro

but that's just my2cents

i see the comparison between feather/fish and blood/bone in terms of them all being byproducts of industrial meat industries - and that makes sense for sure
 

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gorgeous! so im too lazy to source info atm, but in my opinion, birds and fish are exposed to a lot less shit than pigs and cows. plus blood is gross and it will burn stuff quicker than fish. also, its just something ive noticed in general. i did blood and bone as the base amendments for years, and i feel and see and taste an improvement since moving away from them. now my only animal product is a couple different types of bird poop and crab meal. im never going back.
again, totally unqualified gut feeling based only on my personal observations.


You forgot the part where most common bone and blood meal comes from McDonalds cows... full of antibiotics and steroids and de-wormers and all sorts of other contamination.


i haven't used guano in a couple years now
as for any kind of "vegan" organics... the concept is laughable to me
organic soil depends upon LIFE in the soil - from micro-biology, to insects, to earthworms, etc.
imo the only "vegan" growing is dead rez hydro

but that's just my2cents

i see the comparison between feather/fish and blood/bone in terms of them all being byproducts of industrial meat industries - and that makes sense for sure

The fish bone and blood might contain heavy metals like mercury from the ocean and farm raised fish require antibiotics, but they do not get things like de-worming chems, so there is a clear reason to say that fish bone & blood is superior.

"Veganics" is a catch phrase... I would love to see you craft a optimum soil with no animal byproducts whatsoever... from vermicast to compost, crab, fish, feather or bone and blood... it requires at least some animal input...

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"Veganics" is a catch phrase... I would love to see you craft a optimum soil with no animal byproducts whatsoever... from vermicast to compost, crab, fish, feather or bone and blood... it requires at least some animal input...

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even if someone COULD craft such a soil, good luck getting it to grow plant properly with no soil micro-biology.
 

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yeah i agree with that big time ^ i didnt wanna get anyone riled up by getting too into it earlier because several years ago i was mocked for thinking the "organic" blood and bone (espoma, yuk) i used was probably still filled with trash. guys were like "dude thats too far, you gotta draw the line somewhere. its certified, be happy" and i agree you do have to draw the line somewhere, i just choose to put it after swine/bovine blood/bone. or after anything my gut says isnt good. the crab meal i use is apparently so delicious my dog begs for it. lobster from coast of maine, i am confident in them. and i know the farm my chicken shit comes from. my shop owner has been there, and i believe him when he described how beautiful and clean it was. those birds are all headed to portlandia with a full page bio for each individual breast. but my seabird guano is just roots organics. i havent found anything better but i admit i havent looked too hard. suggestions appreciated.
im rambling in here like its my thread, oops.
 

nameless

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oh yeah veganics requires another line drawn too, no ewc? not for me lol. i try to err on the side of diversity with my dirt
 

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even if someone COULD craft such a soil, good luck getting it to grow plant properly with no soil micro-biology.

I cannot see that being a requirement... things simply wouldnt grow.
What... does the idiot who came up with this oven his soil regularly to sterilize it?

oh yeah veganics requires another line drawn too, no ewc? not for me lol. i try to err on the side of diversity with my dirt

no vermicast... no compost... no worms in the dirt... just no life whatsoever... thats the best way to grow...

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