Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[bentom187]

What he is for is a commodity backed dollar ,and by that he means multiple commodities like gold & silver,that way no-one can corner the market,you could actually use a completley unbacked dollar like lincon did (greenbacks) wich was only used because people in this country agreed that they would use it for the payment of debts and to purchase goods ,it was backed with only the full faith and credit of the united states.
In england they actually used wood sticks (tally sticks) to pay taxes.
Now would he stand to make money if we switched yes,but he's been preaching about the federal reserve for years he knows they manipulate the money supply to create booms and busts,and to tell every one to follow your advice and not be taking your own advice would be out of touch,espeacially with dr.paul .
I think a better question is why did nixon close the gold window and why does the federal reserve store gold,and why isnt their a annual audit of fort knox.

 

[zymos]

I am asking relevant questions and he is making nothing but biased statements....Who is the tool?

He is blasting Ron but refuses to even offer his candidate, ideals, fixes, in a political thread for 40 pages so I ask.....Who is the tool?

All he is doing is being Devil's Advocate.........So, Who is the tool?

I already told you- you are.
The whole "commie" insult thing, over and over?
Seriously....

 

[itisme]

I think brainwashed would be the guy promoting one man as the answer to all.

Where did I say that?

Your answer is to not have an opinion or a point of view, but to shot down ours.......See your in here promoting???? Nothing as far as I can see, so you seem to be working the COMMIE AGENDA....

My points of view are on here to be ridiculed however yours are hidden and cloaked with rhetoric and lies.

I got a GOV"T audit to help render an opinion on the subject of the FED while all you have is your own personal opinion that Ron Paul entire economic agenda is to ruin our country's currency while he pads his pockets. You offer no proof other than his public portfolio and say he sure would benefit. He has been preaching the same message for decades and his investments fit right in line with every word he speaks about the monetary system. So your evidence he is dirty is my evidence he tells the truth.

NOW ONCE AGAIN COMMIE, WHO YOU BACKING? KIM JONG UN?

You don't like the COMMIE comment? Look up the COMMIE AGENDA and educate yourself and then look at what DISCOCOMMIE is saying and not saying..... He offers NO candidate, ideas, fixes, nothing of substance. He is the one that told me himself to "READ BETWEEN THE LINES" so that is what I am doing..... He offers nothing but discredits everything.... Whether you know it or not that is a communist tactic to disrupt valid information and spread propaganda. That is the epitome of how commies try to influence public opinion with disinformation in forums all over the internet.

Go back and look at how many times I have asked him for his CANDIDATE and how many times he continues to dodge the question and never gives an idea, ideology, or relevant facts to back his slanderous statements.
SERIOUSLY!!!!

 

[itisme]

I already told you- you are.
The whole "commie" insult thing, over and over?
Seriously....

Actually you didn't state to whom you were referring but below is some educational info for you. I suggest you read it.

 

[itisme]

My original thought was to google (how to fight communist rhetoric online) and Viola.
Full results http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-a...w=1280&bih=929

Article below: Link- http://fhs.dukejournals.org/content/...ddfhs;34/4/611

One of the most striking aspects of the Vietnamese political disorders that erupted in Tonkin and Annam in 1930–31 was how the French colonial authorities represented them. The colonial authorities developed a distinct rhetoric of repression in the blame games that followed the outbreak of the Yen Bay mutiny in February 1930 and in the more protracted unrest associated with the Nghe-Tinh Soviets in Annam. The depiction of concerted political violence as self-interested criminal activity delegitimized its organizers, their motives, and their claims. Pointing to traditions of rural banditry and local particularism, Governor-General Pierre Pasquier’s administration insisted to sometimes skeptical officials and parliamentarians in France that the extreme repression meted out by the colonial security forces was effective, appropriate, and popularly understood. In this way Yen Bay’s rhetoric of repression drew on an established language of colonial social control to justify a strategy of extreme state violence.

...at the time I googled it, it was only the 2nd from the top.... I could not believe how relevant it was to what I had been saying. I was shocked

It isn't my fault that the first link I found applied directly to what you have been doing for 43 pages.....How could I had known that would happen? How could I find a connection like that and apply it so easily to what I have been saying about you and your intentions in this thread and most likely forum........How is that my fault?

DISCOBISCUIT all you have is......

a distinct rhetoric of repression in the blame games and in depiction of concerted political violence as self-interested criminal activity to delegitimized Ron Paul, organizers, supporters, their motives, and their claims. You Point to traditions of rural banditry. Your covertly overt repressive rhetoric hinders our nation security in this way, the rhetoric of repression draws on an establishment of central social control.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit
I bet I could google that and find it verbatim

Hardly verbatim but my owe my how fitting! It's merely a short history lesson

If court were out of session I would be getting celebratory drunk off my ass Consider yourself EXPOSED! Now go to bed.Try it...You want a link? http://fhs.dukejournals.org/content/...ddfhs;34/4/611

If court were out of session I would be getting celebratory drunk off my ass Consider yourself EXPOSED! Now go to bed.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What he is for is a commodity backed dollar ,and by that he means multiple commodities like gold & silver,that way no-one can corner the market,you could actually use a completley unbacked dollar like lincon did (greenbacks) wich was only used because people in this country agreed that they would use it for the payment of debts and to purchase goods ,it was backed with only the full faith and credit of the united states.
In england they actually used wood sticks (tally sticks) to pay taxes.
Now would he stand to make money if we switched yes,but he's been preaching about the federal reserve for years he knows they manipulate the money supply to create booms and busts,and to tell every one to follow your advice and not be taking your own advice would be out of touch,espeacially with dr.paul .
I think a better question is why did nixon close the gold window and why does the federal reserve store gold,and why isnt their a annual audit of fort knox.

Good info. IMO GDP gets a bum rap because it's a number, not a commodity. However, GDP is the index of all commerce. Non-commodity trade isn't necessarily backed with something we can touch yet we recognize that service itself has real value.

We could theoretically expand the definition of commodities-backed currency to approach national wealth. In order to back our currency we'd have to sequester these commodities from circulation. National wealth is so immense that building the joint to house it becomes unfeasible. To credit Dr. Paul, we would have to consider some type of fractional backing.

So, this narrows part of the equation. If Dr. Paul would actually consider fractional, commodities based currency, the fiat aspect remains. Fiat isn't necessarily the werdy derd that many make it out to be. Fiat is bad in the sense that banana republic dictators exploit their systems to the point of insolvency.

Our system isn't left to a dictator. Some might equate the fed to a cabal that greases their own interests yet the fed's mandate is to sustain liquidity when private banks cease lending. The fed is also supposed to manage interest rates to mitigate booms to the point that busts aren't as significant. Obviously we can't perfect projected forecasts and history reflects the fed's poor decisions.

That said, commodity-backed currency would do nothing to mitigate inflation. Commodity-backed currency would not cause bankers to lend when their interests suggest otherwise. This narrows the equation a bit further and we begin to recognize what Dr. Paul particularly dislikes in addition to speculating on the potential outcomes, based on ideology's historic, economic record.

IMO, Dr. Paul most dislikes the idea of a group of people making monetary decisions. Yet a national bank would more than likely consist of a board seeking to mitigate the negative effects of inflation -or- do nothing at all, forcing the masses to swallow economic contraction.

IMO, Dr. Paul doesn't believe in government-sanctioned liquidity management, preferring that the market itself dictate winners and losers. I get it that a bad mouse trap might not make it to fame and fortune but mom and pop suffer to the point that feeding themselves becomes problematic.

Someone mentioned that Dr. Paul isn't a capitalist. I might expand a little to suggest that macro economics isn't necessarily on Dr. Paul's plate. The direct intent lies in seeing that the market is unencumbered with regulation and may freely exercise it's potential. IMO, we're getting to the meat here.

Hoover sat idly by as the precursor to the Great Depression got worse. This wasn't a dereliction of duty because Hoover actually believed the market would right the economy itself. Yet Hoover was no macro economist. Hoover believed that those suffering needed to better plan for their future hard times.

If we look at history, our worst economic times were when we had the least regulatory actions. Unfettered capitalism is like running with the scissors. The rich gain substantially during macro contraction and they're loath to change. The driving force behind commerce becomes the brake of upward mobility for the masses.

We were discussing economic opportunity in another thread and a Dr. Paul supporter suggested that opportunity spread too broadly devalues opportunity itself. Not if one looks at the cumulative. IMO, our president represents the opportunity to expand the macro or allow it to favor sectors of.

 

[itisme]

No candidate? No policies, No ideas to fix anything.....Just shooting down the Dr. Paul.

It's almost like he has an agenda

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

A colleague of mine put together this list and I agree with most of it:

1. simplify tax structure, eliminate all credits, deductions, Bush tax cuts, etc -- progressive tax structure, but revenue neutral.

2. corporations taxed only once -- on the level of distributions and gains, not at the corporate level.

3. Balanced budget amendment, across the board spending cuts in all areas, reduce the size of government, shift welfare/social type spending to the state and local levels, states will either sink or swim.

4. National sales tax of 1% earmarked for paying the debt back - this will shift more investment dollars into the private sector.

5. Re-evaluate free trade agreements, institute tariffs against countries not playing fairly.

6. Stop all legal and illegal immigration. Institute automatic deportation for illegals. Stop all freebies for illegals, etc.

7. Reduce the role of the American military.

8. Kick all lobbyists out of Washington for good, since corps aren't taxed (see 2), they should have no say in government.

9. Move toward a policy of separation of government from economic affairs (aside from obvious like contract enforcement, trade agreements, NECESSARY regulation, etc), i.e. no bailouts for businesses, banks, stimulus or other nonsense.

10. Predictable monetary policy based on a realistic inflation measure.

As I've said before, I agree with Dr. Paul on many of his stances, and I don't think he's a total kook like most of his detractors. That said, his monetary policy leaves much to be desired and leaves lots of questions as to how exactly he would accomplish what he wants to accomplish.

Even some Dr. Paul supporters on here couldn't tell me how exactly he would institute a new gold standard, which tells me that no one but Dr. Paul really knows (if he even knows, which I doubt).

At this stage of the game, that information should be out there and readily available for review. It sure would help me make up mind if I could read and study what Dr. Paul wishes to do regarding this subject in particular.

Thanks for all the food for thought everybody! I hate talking about politics, but it's always interesting to hear other people's take on a candidate.

HB.

 

[Hawaiian Bud]

okay, after readiing this exhausting thread I felt compelled to write a few thoughts down. First off let me tell you folks how disappointed I was in Obama. Mainly because his mantra brought me outta my apathetic hole in the ground. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't let down by a lot of what Obama is doing these days. But lets look at things objectively.

Sure we all jumped for joy with the Ogden Memo was released after Obama first got elected. But reccent event would let folks thing Obama's intentions weren't noble. Of all the things this man said and promised. The words that rings in my ears was, "this administration won't be run by politics, but will be run by science". I still have faith in Obama. After all the dude use to smoke weed himself. And if you know politics second terms are usually reserved for implementing their own visions. I believe if relected he will help our movement beofre leaving office.

As for Ron Paul's mantra. To me he's saying anything to get elected. But I'd never vote for him even if he's for legalizing all drugs. Dude doesn't like folks of color, or Gay people, and I can't look past that shit! Plus, anybody who names their kid after Ayn Rand has got some serious issues!

 

[itisme]

Great info H Bogart....I love to see that list and how much of it I think Dr. Paul rally hits on with his issues.

First of all I am also concerned about the issue of the FED and how it will actually be fixed. I am not absolutely sure of what steps will be taken but I do know this much. I know Dr. Paul says you can't implement his monetary policy or fix the economy without first bringing the troops home from being the World Police. We have to start saving money that way. Then we would have to stop the printing of the money. Then Dr. Paul would do a full audit of the FED and not just a partial audit. After that and this is speculation but I do think if elected Dr. Paul would try to retrieve the 16 TRILLION that has been stolen from the American public and given to banks and corporations all over the world.......How??? The claw-back clause in a ponzi scheme can be applied. I know that last part will be difficult but the scenario fits.

Dr. Paul is right in line with you on point with how to accelerate the economy too. He wants to cut out the personal income tax and capital gains tax. Then he would lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%. The lowering of the corporate tax rate in Switzerland is currently the lowest and that is where all or almost all corporations file, pay, and keep there tax money. The 15% tax rate would bring all of that money home.

Another way Dr. Paul would greatly help the economy would be ending the drug war. This would save billions across the country. He would release over a million innocent people that are costing tax payer about $50-60K a year each to house. It would create a large new source of income and decrease gov't spending.

Ron Paul has money money contributed to his campaign from our troops than all the other Republican candidates combined. He has nearly twice as much support from them as the current Commander In Chief. Ron Paul want to end the military industrial complex and no longer wants the US to be the World Police. All of which would greatly enhance America's economic position.

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul is easily and by for the most consistant politician in America. That is not me saying it, that is anybody that has a clue about Dr. Ron Paul and what he as said for the last 30 year.

The most unfair laws against minorities right now are the Drug laws. Ron Paul ending the drug ware would unit many broken families that are minorities and give them ample freedom to never worry about being arrested while never harming another person.

COMMIE TACTIC--- Not that Hawaiian is a COMMIE but he seems to have fallen for one of their tactics.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. He has been pushing Ron Paul as a racist for the entirety of his posts here.

This sound like a racist? How many racist act like Dr. Paul in this true life stories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

By the way Ron Paul would not stop GAYS from getting married....He wants the states and local governments to make that call. So you and your local constituents would have more control over your own lives.

You see what I mean....

 

[bergerbuddy]

RON PAUL.... Really does say EXACTLY what he would do as President...

NO OTHER CANDIDATE CAN CLAIM THAT... Even the change guy obomber...

 

[Carforce420]

I hope all of you enjoy your stay with the GOP.

Rubbish.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think brainwashed would be the guy promoting one man as the answer to all.

Where did I say that?

Fair enough. But you seem to infer that any other consideration should be perfect, not the lesser of evils so to speak.

Your answer is to not have an opinion or a point of view,

Not true. You have every right to a difference of opinion, not running others' through turnstiles.

but to shot down ours.

I didn't shoot down anything. I asked if Ron fans would fill in the blanks. No response. Then I asked the questions that arise if one seeks information past the soundbite. Still no answers but I started getting the personal insults.

Satisfied that my questions had little interest, I started wondering if any Ron fans had their own reservations. I obviously wasn't getting anywhere on the economic front so I pointed out other considerations. I began to realize this didn't matter much either.

In the meantime, several Ron fans decide to pound their cumulative beefs to the point that anyone initially choosing to overlook my contributions might reconsider. Nice job, guys.

See your in here promoting????

I promote a broad look at an apparent enigma in several respects

Nothing as far as I can see, so you seem to be working the COMMIE AGENDA....

My points of view are on here to be ridiculed however yours are hidden and cloaked with rhetoric and lies.

No ridicule necessary, you're doing just fine. Cloaked suggests even you might manage one example of each. I'd be interested to see what you equate as rhetoric. At least in this case, opinions aren't lies. If I'm factually wrong you have the opportunity to correct the facts.

Instead, you float the commie baloney.

I got a GOV"T audit to help render an opinion on the subject of the FED while all you have is your own personal opinion that Ron Paul entire economic agenda is to ruin our country's currency while he pads his pockets.

Ruin is subjective. Ron doesn't consider non-managed macros as ruinous. That's why I reference contraction. This is pretty involved, me. It's little wonder that you need the commie baloney.

You offer no proof other than his public portfolio and say he sure would benefit. He has been preaching the same message for decades and his investments fit right in line with every word he speaks about the monetary system. So your evidence he is dirty is my evidence he tells the truth.

Ron disses earmarks too. Doesn't make him surreptitious. However, the biggest earmark in Texas has a way of asking the question, "who do you think yer foolin"?

NOW ONCE AGAIN COMMIE, WHO YOU BACKING? KIM JONG UN?

What's funny is that your pain wouldn't materialize if you didn't make this personal. Getting personal just broadens the opportunity to inquire of other potentially objectionable aspects.

You don't like the COMMIE comment? Look up the COMMIE AGENDA and educate yourself and then look at what DISCOCOMMIE is saying and not saying....

Doesn't Greg Swank hate the feds because they didn't take his close encounter of the third kind seriously? The curious part is why he considers it communist.

He offers NO candidate, ideas, fixes, nothing of substance. He is the one that told me himself to "READ BETWEEN THE LINES" so that is what I am doing..... He offers nothing but discredits everything.... Whether you know it or not that is a communist tactic to disrupt valid information and spread propaganda. That is the epitome of how commies try to influence public opinion with disinformation in forums all over the internet.

Third person, interesting. Preaching to the choir?

Go back and look at how many times I have asked him for his CANDIDATE and how many times he continues to dodge the question and never gives an idea, ideology, or relevant facts to back his slanderous statements.
SERIOUSLY!!!!

I have numerous examples of ideas, facts and opinions. Do you have a single example of slander?

 

[whodare]

Don't worry. I'm not going to copy all the posts that clearly show you're biased.

please spare me, my bias is not the point, stop redirecting

Alright asshole, who the fuck you voting for?

That's typical of the relevancy I've been getting. Another thing that's funny, a half dozen peeps asking a half dozen questions (a half-dozen different times) and nada cares to look at anything more than the post they're typing on top of. Line your interrogates up and establish some order. Y'all got the chaos factory going full tilt.

dont get me wrong some people can only resort to simple narrow minded arguments and name calling but you dont need to post a drawn out response to every off topic, misguided, or ignorant post

order on a weed forum? on any forum???

I guess you've wrapped it up.

based on the original topic of this thread i have.

 

[itisme]

Let me say it now, Ron Paul is not God not a Saint and I do not think he has the all seeing eye. He is not perfect nor are his fixes.....but he is in my opinion by far the, "lesser of the two evils" as you put it.

Ruin is subjective. Ron doesn't consider non-managed macros as ruinous. That's why I reference contraction. This is pretty involved, me. You wonder you need the commie stuff.

So you don't see the issue there. A partial audit finds 16 trillion dollars dispensed all over the world that was undisclosed is a big deal? You can honestly say that you think Ron Paul's investments in Gold and Silver are his motives? HONESTLY....You can say you believe that? I find that difficult to believe.

I do understand and acknowledge that Ron Paul changing the monetary policy is a really big deal. He is not crazy though. He knows that at first thing he has to do is end the printing of the money! That is step one. Step two is to get a complete Gov't Audit of the FED for the fist time ever. The World Com and Enron scams were done through making false entries into audits that made companies appear much more valuable than they were is what part of what caused the current economic crises. Now just think about the fact that all the Central Banks that form the FED have never been AUDITED AT ALL. A partial audit exposed 16 trillion in currency that was secretly doled out to banks in foreign land, here in the US, and big corporations.....At the very least we have to get a complete Audit and stop the corruption going on with the FED. That alone would go a long way to saving our currency.

Now a little on why the US has had to print currency-
1. Unjust undeclared wars. Billions every month if not every day.
2. Drug war. On this site I should have to say much.
3. FED backdoor thieves .....See my list of ROMNEY CONTRIBUTORS.
4. Gay rights will be enhanced by letting the states decide.
5. All minorities will be better off with each other and not in jail due to some unjust drug war.
6. I want the troops home and they mostly want Ron Paul. I think they want to live here.
7. Stopping all the wars could save Social Security, Medicare/caid

Things that concern me
1. Monetary policy. What will be the end result there? I don't know for sure. I truly believe that we have to turn off the presses and audit the FED to even have a real clue for a solution. I think Ron Paul would make solid sound choices that benefit the USA not US and INTERNATIONAL BANK and CORPS.

2. I worry about increased crime if he cuts food stamps.

Now who do you want to get elected and why?

I called you a commie because you still refuse to answer any on any of the issues and offer no solutions or candidates. You are only in here to discredit Ron P. suggestions while you offer none of you own. If you need further reasons just read the manifesto I posted and look at the ones I said applied to you and why? The only real input I saw that implicates your direction leads me to see you want the Gov't to have control. You have offered nothing else post after post.........So if you read the commie manifesto you fit the bill PERFECTLY.

You keep implying Ron P is racist! Slanderous
You imply Ron P only has has a sinister plan to enhance his portfolio while he destroys our currency is slanderous.

I still aint seen you post and CANDIDATE OR AN IDEA..... You say you have but where are they? QUOTE ME A FEW LIKE YOU DO ALL MY STATMENTS

A CANDIDATE OR IDEAS FOR FIX......not random made up opinion

 

[bentom187]

DB:
Good info. IMO GDP gets a bum rap because it's a number, not a commodity. However, GDP is the index of all commerce. Non-commodity trade isn't necessarily backed with something we can touch yet we recognize that service itself has real value

“The reason for the business cycle is as elementary as it is fundamental. Robinson Crusoe can give a loan of fish (which he has not consumed) to Friday. Friday can convert these savings into a fishing net (he can eat the fish while constructing the net), and with the help of the net, then, Friday, in principle, is capable of repaying his loan to Robinson, plus interest, and still earn a profit of additional fish for himself. But this is physically impossible if Robinson’s loan is only a paper note, denominated in fish, but unbacked by real-fish savings, i.e., if Robinson has no fish because he has consumed them all.

Then, and necessarily so, Friday must fail in his investment endeavor. In a simple barter economy, of course, this becomes immediately apparent. Friday will not accept Robinson’s paper credit in the first place (but only real, commodity credit), and because of this, the boom-bust cycle will not get started. But in a complex monetary economy, the fact that credit was created out of thin air is not noticeable: every credit note looks like any other, and because of this the notes are accepted by the takers of credit.

This does not change the fundamental fact of reality that nothing can be produced out of nothing and that investment projects undertaken without any real funding whatsoever (by savings) must fail, but it explains why a boom — an increased level of investment accompanied by the expectation of higher future income and wealth — can get started (Friday does accept the note instead of immediately refusing it). And it explains why it then takes a while until the physical reality reasserts itself and reveals such expectations as illusory.”

~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Why the State Demands Control of Money.

http://mises.org/daily/5749/Why-the-State-Demands-Control-of-Money

yes the money can be turned in for a service but the peice of paper has no value that would be fine,but infact to print a paper ,then sell the bond that backs the paper, to a holder who incures debt at the time of the bond purchase and will be re-paid with a dollar that later has less value then at the time of the purchase,means its backed by debt and if you use a debt backed currencey how do you pay your way debt free ? answer is you cant unless you change monetary policy.
its essentially slavery.



" Fiat is bad in the sense that banana republic dictators exploit their systems to the point of insolvency."

bingo thats our current situation.


"Our system isn't left to a dictator. Some might equate the fed to a cabal that greases their own interests yet the fed's mandate is to sustain liquidity when private banks cease lending. The fed is also supposed to manage interest rates to mitigate booms to the point that busts aren't as significant. Obviously we can't perfect projected forecasts and history reflects the fed's poor decisions."

we can rid ourself of the fed,and its branches and not worry about booms and busts at all. there will be a correction when switching.

now that the fed has 0 or less percent on the intrest rate theres nothing they can do now except debase our currencey with money printing by buying bonds to keep them solvent,so my question is what encentive does the fed have to help anyone if they go on these money printing binges and reward the banks for risky lending and we flip the bill. (QE)
so i say do away with them since they are a private entity with no intrest of seeing us out of debt.

 

[itisme]

:Itisme is completely right. He is just telling it like it is..... So DB Who is your candidate? If want to post in this thread and have an ounce of respect just tell us, Who?:

 

[stonedstoner]

itisme....you're the tool dude. ron paul is using you like a tool.

and what is all this bullshit calling everyone a commie that's not supporting ron paul? you sound like anslinger or reefer madness, irrational fear of communism.

1948: “Marihuana leads to pacifism and Communist brainwashing.” —Anslinger, before Congress

 

[itisme]

itisme....you're the tool dude. ron paul is using you like a tool.

and what is all this bullshit calling everyone a commie that's not supporting ron paul? you sound like anslinger or reefer madness, irrational fear of communism.

1948: “Marihuana leads to pacifism and Communist brainwashing.” —Anslinger, before Congress

You come in calling me names .....LOL

I didn't call him a commie until I had ample evidence to think that and I only called ONE PERSON A COMMIE...DISCOBISCUIT....You can call me Ron Paul's tool all you want bro....You don't phase me. Discobiscuit is the one that told me to "read between the lines" when I ask him for a candidate.

Read the thread title, "Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?" It's relevant question. How is it that none of you hating on me even care who he is backing????? I mean WTF GIVES THERE!