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Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?
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So your point is his motive is to buy GOLD and SILVER for 30 - 40 years and then screw up the economy so he is rich and the US is fucked. LMAO...COMMIE He has told everybody for 30 years that the FED is dirty and corrupt and ruining our currency and anybody that has a brain knows that if GOLD is rising that USD is falling. He practices what he preaches, sound economics and high moral character!
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Why is Dr. Paul betting against our country while at the same time saying he's going to save our economy? How does Dr. Paul propose to institute precious metals as currency? Can any RP supporters name a country right now anywhere on the face of the earth that has gold as it's currency? Say RP ended the FED and instituted a gold standard said:
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ron paul is the BEST choice for a presidential candidate. he understands the economy and the crisis we (and europe) are in. he will veto all the unconstitutional crap that is being passed by todays legislators. he believes in states rights. the guys been married to the same woman forever, served in the air force, is a MEDICAL doctor and ALWAYS practiced what he preached when he votes.
hes playing the presidential candidate game right now because he knows hes the only candidate with a clue. im sure hed much rather be on the hill voicing his discontent and chastising the unamerican assholes who are trying to pass the (unconstitutional) national defense authorization act.
hes playing the presidential candidate game right now because he knows hes the only candidate with a clue. im sure hed much rather be on the hill voicing his discontent and chastising the unamerican assholes who are trying to pass the (unconstitutional) national defense authorization act.
IMO, Ron Paul isn't betting against the country as much as he's banking on the next gold run.
I don't believe that's been revealed.
Not a supporter - answer, no countries mint gold currency.
The short answer is no. However Ron Paul briefly responded to a similar question and I paraphrase, "We might have to consider fractional backing."
Looks like Ron Paul is well positioned, especially if and when the next gold run materializes. That kind of balance is much closer to all eggs in one basket.
I wonder what Ron Paul's messages of economic doom would sound like if they were precluded with, "Precious metals make up most or all of my portfolio." Folks heavily vested in precious metals are well positioned for increased sales.
IMHO, Ron Paul isn't betting on economic doom, based on the fact that precious metals aren't the hedge against inflation they're advertised as. IMHO, it's more like the standard gold-sales pitch that seeks to increase the value of gold by increased sales.
If I seek to bolster my portfolio with balanced precious metals, I'm likely to do just as well investing in S&P (which averaged zero return for 2011.) Relatively small purchases of gold isn't unlike buying common stock shares in a preferred-share environment. Even if the investment performs well, the preferred shareholder makes bank and the non-preferred shareholder makes little in comparison to their investment. One makes little, the other makes bank - in large part on the backs of non-preferred investors.
On the flip side, I could heavily invest in precious metals and bet that substantial increased-sales materialize. I would make bank while the small gold buyer risks losing money when the dollar and US bond strengthen. That's happening right now as the Euro isn't doing that well comparatively and China is no longer riding it's economic highs.
Much like what you think is wrong, how to fix it, who you pick as a candidate, why, How is the FED gonna continue the way it has, anybody credible that can post the same rhetoric about Dr. Paul's economic plan to screw America while he pads his pockets, or any input of substance and validity in the 40 pages of your posts!
How can you find any validity to your argument on Dr. Paul's GOLD agenda to pad his pocket while you show no support for your theory. Meanwhile, I post a list like that and you won't even blink an eye of concern or type a line of text even on the subject. That is just some of the evidence I use to back my point that you're only in here to slander Dr. Paul. You have posted, provoked, and blasted bias rhetoric for a month now but you think people don't see through this? REALLY.....You think we are all that stupid? Where is your level of concern for what I posted? You sure are convinced of any negative slander of Dr. Paul as you refuse post after post to offer your candidate. Why would that be? Maybe your just waiting for China to call in that debt and cause the US an economic downfall. I know there is a COMMIE PRESENCE in forums to spread propaganda. I don't know who all theme are but I know in this thread the evidence is piled 40 pages deep on you and points me think you are.....You did say, "read between the lines" and I clearly see the evidence you have posted.
DISCOCOMMIE!Who got all that money?
The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..
Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places
Who contributes to Ron Paul?
Cmte$500,000
US Army$24,503
US Air Force$23,335
US Navy$17,432
Mason Capital Management $14,000
Microsoft Corp $13,398
Boeing Co$10,620
Google Inc$10,390
Overland Sheepskin$10,350
IBM Corp$8,294
US Government$7,756
DUNN Capital Management$7,500
Corriente Advisors$7,500
Greenstreet Co$7,500
Northrop Grumman$7,272
Lockheed Martin$7,208
Intel Corp$6,855
US Dept of Defense$6,524
United Technologies$6,316
Federal Express Corp$6,255
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00005906
Who contributes to Mitt Romney?
Goldman Sachs$367,200 stole Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse Group$203,750 stole Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley$199,800 stole Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000
HIG Capital$186,500
Barclays$157,750 stole Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Kirkland & Ellis$132,100
Bank of America$126,500 stole Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
PriceWaterhouseCoopers$118,250
EMC Corp$117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co$112,250 stole JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
The Villages$97,500
Vivint Inc$80,750
Marriott International$79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell$79,250
Bain Capital$74,500
UBS AG$73,750
Wells Fargo$61,500
Blackstone Group$59,800
Citigroup Inc$57,050 stole Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Bain & Co$52,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00000286
Go ahead and take all my quotes out of context while never answering any issues or offering up a CANDIDATE, fix of any kind, or any info of relevance and substance on any matters or concerns for our country.....We all see through you Mr. Cellophane Man! I can see through you, see your true colors..
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Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
I don't believe that's been revealed.
What does any of that have to do with the part you quoted?
IMO, Ron doesn't consider it screwing anybody. He's just trying to get you to buy gold. Based on Hemphrey Bogart's post, it looks like Ron is far better positioned to gain from a gold run than folks buying an ounce or thirty.
I don't believe that's been revealed.
What does any of that have to do with the part you quoted?
IMO, Ron doesn't consider it screwing anybody. He's just trying to get you to buy gold. Based on Hemphrey Bogart's post, it looks like Ron is far better positioned to gain from a gold run than folks buying an ounce or thirty.
Why don't you pick one? How about the fascist, mau mau Muslim from Kenya?
I've already posted what I'd prefer. If you can't fathom it there you wouldn't get it here.
IMO, pointing out what Ron doesn't say isn't biased. IMO, swallowing an envelope with little or nothing in it is grasping.
Ok. RON PAUL.
When I called Dr. Paul's portfolio "balanced," I was being facetious.
For the record, I own PMs myself as part of my own truly balanced portfolio. I started buying gold when it was $850/oz and silver when it was $10/oz. Of course, I invest in other things too, but shiny rocks are just a small portion of my holdings.
Oh, and itisme. Running around calling people "commies" isn't really helping your argument. It just makes you look like you can't fathom anyone questioning your candidate and you have no other response than to try to berate people who might not agree with you. If you want to be a true believer, then go right ahead. I can assure you that I am far from a communist though. Dr. Paul is far from a capitalist and his understanding of the economy and how it works is rather limited and short sighted, imho.
HB.
Yep, own em myself. I should have done a better job indicating you weren't serious.
How does this serve your cause, other than something to neg rep?
China isn't dumb enough to buy bonds and sell off the guaranteed return. That's a scare tactic to help bolster the idea that anything but a gold standard is economic suicide. You'd need to first determine that China owns enough US bonds to tank the US in the event of a short. China isn't dumb enough to buy enough shit to tank whoever they're buying interest returns from.
I know there is a COMMIE PRESENCE in forums to spread propaganda.
I don't know who all theme are but I know in this thread the evidence is piled 40 pages deep on you and points me think you are.....You did say, "read between the lines" and I clearly see the evidence you have posted.
No propaganda here, especially communist. Resist the temptation to fall for fear's lowest common denominator.
I'm not aware of any contextualizations. I'm certainly not sarcasticizing your argument so I may have one. Your thought process seems to center on the pretext that one candidate represents my opinions. This isn't the case.
One doesn't necessarily have to defend any of the above when they consider a particular candidate represents the greatest potential for contraction.
Cant believe in yourself enough to pick a candidate?
40 pages of biased propaganda and ney saying, but not one solution or hint of one.....Except when you "read between the lines" at what you are saying and what you refuse to acknowledge.. You see I am proud to give my input and not hide my agenda.....You and the attack crew on the other hand are in hear only to spew biased attacks with little or no evidence!....If your not the attack crew with a hidden agenda then your mom and dad are in it and you are clueless to how brainwashed you are.
Provide us with your alternatives for Republican nominee or tell us why to reelect Obama.
1. What is your fix for the FED
2. Drug War
3. Economy
4. Foreign Policy
5. Monetary policy
6. Gay rights
7. Abortion
8. State rights
I guess nothing is wrong with 16 trillion in stolen money from a monetary system but a Senator who buys gold and silver is the sinister one with his "maybe" 5 million in gold and silver.....The Ron Paul Gold Conspiracy (LMAO)
Yeah that is seems is the bigger conspiracy.
Ron Paul and $5,000,000
not that $16,000,000,000,000 when the NAT'L DEBT = $14,500,000,000,000 for the entire US EXISTENCE!
If none of the above can be provided with your own personal input and some evidence or some sort then you are either part of the commie attack party or your mommy and daddy are in it. You know, "Reading between the lines" [COMMIE]
40 pages of biased propaganda and ney saying, but not one solution or hint of one.....Except when you "read between the lines" at what you are saying and what you refuse to acknowledge.. You see I am proud to give my input and not hide my agenda.....You and the attack crew on the other hand are in hear only to spew biased attacks with little or no evidence!....If your not the attack crew with a hidden agenda then your mom and dad are in it and you are clueless to how brainwashed you are.
Provide us with your alternatives for Republican nominee or tell us why to reelect Obama.
1. What is your fix for the FED
2. Drug War
3. Economy
4. Foreign Policy
5. Monetary policy
6. Gay rights
7. Abortion
8. State rights
I guess nothing is wrong with 16 trillion in stolen money from a monetary system but a Senator who buys gold and silver is the sinister one with his "maybe" 5 million in gold and silver.....The Ron Paul Gold Conspiracy (LMAO)
Yeah that is seems is the bigger conspiracy.
Ron Paul and $5,000,000
not that $16,000,000,000,000 when the NAT'L DEBT = $14,500,000,000,000 for the entire US EXISTENCE!
If none of the above can be provided with your own personal input and some evidence or some sort then you are either part of the commie attack party or your mommy and daddy are in it. You know, "Reading between the lines" [COMMIE]
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Im sorry but the I had to point out that the title is the first question I've seen asked with the answer given first.
Communists are more hard pressed under Obama than they would be with Ron Paul, they just dont know it yet. Ron Paul offers a far more lenient Fed, which allows alot more room for different cultures to grow...including ours!
When typical Dems and republicans (OBVIOUSLY) continue to destroy our country with little to no remorse, I think it's time for us all to put up the man who DOESNT look like 'President Slickback'! (No, that's not a racial ref. to Obama, rather Mitt Perry and Rick Romney etc.!)
Communists are more hard pressed under Obama than they would be with Ron Paul, they just dont know it yet. Ron Paul offers a far more lenient Fed, which allows alot more room for different cultures to grow...including ours!
When typical Dems and republicans (OBVIOUSLY) continue to destroy our country with little to no remorse, I think it's time for us all to put up the man who DOESNT look like 'President Slickback'! (No, that's not a racial ref. to Obama, rather Mitt Perry and Rick Romney etc.!)
I am asking relevant questions and he is making nothing but biased statements....Who is the tool?
He is blasting Ron but refuses to even offer his candidate, ideals, fixes, in a political thread for 40 pages so I ask.....Who is the tool?
All he is doing is being Devil's Advocate.........So, Who is the tool?
Who I vote for is a matter of who I think will best manage the economy, not a belief in myself.
I think you have propaganda and difference of opinion confused.
Agenda... another interesting focus.
I think brainwashed would be the guy promoting one man as the answer to all.
Try commanding an inquiry that encourages a response. Demanding I type what you have already determined is a waste of time.
How about envelopes with nothing in them? Just kidding. I'll provide a bit more than soundbites.
Soundbite - fix the fed. I thought the soundbite was end the fed but I'll work with ya.
Bailouts and QE aren't economic strategies. They are tactics designed to thwart fallout of deregulation that increased leveraging 4-fold, removed the firewall between Main Street/ Wall Street and promoted fast-money to unsustainable heights.
Soundbite - end the DEA. I'm all for non-violent drug related reform. Not sure how waxing the DEA would end drug-related violence. One would have to assume the world would follow in Ron's footsteps and I'm not convinced that's likely.
Economy - soundbite - gold standard. If I planned to promote one monetary system over another, I probably wouldn't choose cons from one side and pros from the other. I would more than likely present pros and cons of both in order to make an informed decision.
If I promoted the gold standard without mentioning the historical setbacks, I'd be giving you the same, biased approach you're getting from Ron.
Foreign policy - soundbite - bring all home. Sounds like an isolationist's view. I would have to consider all the setbacks we've already experienced from isolationist policies to determine that bookend reactions aren't necessarily the safest approach.
Gay rights - no soundbites here. The GLBT community shouldn't have to suffer from bigoted fear. I don't think the government deserves a say on whom you choose to marry. But I do think the government has a right to make laws to mitigate your being victimized for being gay.
Abortion - no soundbite. Abortion is the woman's right to choose.
In close, asking others to opine farther than Ron only illuminates what Ron doesn't.
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Is his understanding of economics short sighted, or are our desires and capabilities too ambitious? WE THE PEOPLE have had NO self control, no responsibility and most of all, no WILL POWER to be fiscally conservative enough to sustain our economy. Atleast Dr. Paul is willing to show us some tough love and do his best to guide us back to prosperity, as opposed to the same old 'chase the American dream' type president.
The way we're running now, one scientist creates a robot that is programmed to fire the other scientist, as his job is easily done by the robot for pennies on the dollar, can be trusted FULLY, and has many more capabilities than any human could. Obviously 'the human element' is nessecary to manage and fix glitches, but beyond that, we could theoretically eliminate 3/4 of the entire American workforce. That's where we stand today, and to me, it's short sighted to not see that we've created a system that either constantly reduces public sector employment (yet somehow GROWS big brother jobs) or sends our work overseas.
...Mehhh FUCK POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!! lol PEACE!
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