Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[bentom187]

the funny thing is ,if there are any actual romney supporters their deligates are either gonna have to pay for their own way to the RNC, or the romney camp. has to flip the bill.

i realize he's got goldman backing him and it could be feasable, but if they dont flip the bill how many of his deligates care enough to pay their way to the RNC ,RP's deligates on the otherhand WILL pay, and to go to florida on their own dime they Aare only gonna vote one way.

romney deligates if they get paid for, have no real care and would change their vote,they got a trip to florida for free.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

NO one is saying what i am saying.

I havent heard one 'talking head' say it, or lay down a path for a Dr Paul Presidency. But that will work, and he seems to be 'running' that gameplan.

I did read somewhere about the '26 smallest state', but that only makes sense.

Im only 95% sure it is the 'lame duck' House that gets to vote on the President (as opposed to the incoming class).

It is an interesting distinction that CNN does all these "what if's" with their interactive board, but they dont point out the obvious 'hell fire and brimstone' that could come from Dr Paul winning a handful of small states.



The night Nevada had there election, they showed how important it would be in the national election.


If Dr Paul could actually win Kentucky (his son is Senator, 3 way race means potentially only needing 34% of popular vote to win ALL of that states electoral votes), North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Maine, etc, NOBODY is reaching 271 electoral votes.

Wish they would highlight the chaos that would cause. The shakeup may loosen some voters for Paul (who think like someotherguy).

But doesn't winning just a handful of small states only become significant IF Paul runs as an independent?

I watched Joe Scarborough mention his conversation with Rand Paul concerning his father's potential independent bid. I'll paraphrase - Ron Paul wants to run as a republican because it's more strategic than running as a libertarian or independent.

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul Could Lead in Delegate Count
http://ivn.us/news/2012/02/15/ron-paul-could-lead-in-delegate-count/

As we noted last week, GOP delegate process is far more complicated than the mainstream media leads people to believe. The primary process is not always as simple as winning the most votes and therefore winning the most delegates. This has only been the case in winner-take-all elections, of which there’s only been two, so far: Florida and South Carolina.

In states which hold caucuses, to date Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota and Maine, there have been two functions. Round 1, is a “beauty contest” and usually consists of a straw poll. These make good headlines and continue the dramatic storytelling of candidates surging and frontrunners flailing. Round 2 is a bit trickier and contains multiple cycles of selecting delegates. In caucus states, choosing delegates first occurs at a local convention, which then chooses delegates to a state convention, who in turn choose the delegates to go to represent their wishes at the National Republican Convention in Tampa. Imagine Wolf Blitzer explaining this to you. Can’t? That is not surprising.

While anecdotal, evidence exists that Dr. Paul’s slates have dominated the process in terms of selecting delegates who choose delegates. While Dr. Paul’s campaign is confident, their facts will have to face a reality check in all these caucus states – but those are outcomes no one will know for at least 3 months. One interesting event is for certain, in Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. Their campaign walking away with a sweep of Iowa delegates doesn’t seem so crazy now.

This domination of the organizational process by Dr. Paul should come as no surprise and is only starting to warrant investigation by mainstream sources. Doug Wead, adviser for the Paul campaign, explained the Republican nominating process in depth on a recent edition of The Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC. As he explained, unless delegates chosen by the candidate’s campaign are in fact chosen in a primary, then no delegates should be prematurely allocated to that candidate. The Washington Post is also catching on, with a recent article detailing this issue vis-à-vis the Maine Caucuses while making similar points.

In that article, Dr. Paul supporter explained:

“The delegate race (matters more), for sure,” said Alex Lyscars, a 21-year-old student and Paul supporter from Portland. “I mean, I don’t really care about the straw poll as long as the delegates are representative of what’s going on. (Paul) can win straw polls anywhere he wants, but if he’s not getting the delegates, it doesn’t really matter.”


Credit: The Washington Times
Back on Maddow’s show, Wead also asserted that Dr. Paul may in fact win the most delegates in Nevada once precincts totals are taken into account. Nevada, unlike other states, is a pledged caucus. Due to election complications in 2008, Nevada went to a bound delegate process whereby the caucus determined delegate allocation. While Gov. Romney was the recent statewide winner overall, delegates were also allocated between each of Nevada’s four Congressional districts, with 3 delegates a piece. Translated, this means the true breakdown of “who-got-what” in quantifiable terms may not be known for several weeks.

However, taking what both the Paul campaign and Mr. Wead state as true, it is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota. That puts him at 125 delegates, far more than Gov. Romney has in reality as of right now.

Don’t fight a battle if you don’t gain anything by winning.
Wead also made a salient point that Dr. Paul and his team are expertly playing by “the rules”, which they allege were created by the RNC to benefit Gov. Romney. The RNC created proportional allocation rules to avoid Gov. Romney being shut out of large chunks of delegates in the South under statewide winner-take-all rules because he could not carry a true Southern state because of his LDS faith.

Due to this, the Paul campaign is clearly having a major and minor role on the Romney campaign. In caucus states where Gov. Romney support is weak and religious conservatives might actually control the delegate selection process, the large number of Paul supporters turning out in caucuses actually thwart anti-Romney candidates from amassing any significant amount of delegates. Anti-Romney candidates being Sen. Santorum and Speaker Gingrich. This is particularly so due to tax rules that thwart religious organizations from being politically active.

The Republicans find themselves in this situation because of a process that shuts out ordinary voters by design. Maine’s recent caucus turnout was the size of one or two moderately large California high school events, while there are over 200,000 registered Republicans in the state. Top Republicans are calling for a review of the methods used in Presidential caucuses after a series of vote-counting issues in three early states. All of this suggests the caucus system may not be a viable option going forward.

Party rules have effectively increased the importance of caucuses by pushing them to the front of the process. The RNC allows only four states to hold their contests before March, but that rule doesn’t apply to caucuses, which don’t technically have a direct impact on the allocation of delegates. The Republicans in turn need to think about abolishing the caucus system all together.

The Republicans would benefit from the California process that has primaries – and only primaries – actually nominating candidates for President. It would increase turnout. They should also open their primary for President as California has and then allocate delegates on a proportionate basis. Those delegates chosen would then be bound to their candidate until released.

Whether Gov. Romney will be the Republican nominee is still unknown. But thanks to Dr. Paul and his caucus strategy, Sen. Santorum needs a statistical miracle to see the light of day from the Oval Office. To be viable he’ll need to collect over 400 delegates. Given the schedule, and the continued Gingrich presence, it’s a scenario unlikely to happen. Adding to the implausibility, it’s looking like Sen. Santorum might not be on several state ballots, including Indiana, a state where his “blue collar” message may have significant resonance.

To the extent that Dr. Paul’s loyal voters increase overall turnout, the new allocation rules actually benefit Gov. Romney. While he may be getting less delegates than might otherwise be the case, these same rules prevent either Sen. Santorum or Speaker Gingrich from meeting thresholds to get any delegates. Whether Dr. Paul can win a winner-take-all statewide Republican primary one-on-one against Gov. Romney will be tested in Virginia. Dr. Paul is by no means insignificant to this race, neither in delegate count nor campaign strategy.

Dr. Paul deliberately chose to run as a Republican but is as close to a viable Independent candidate that we have this Presidential election cycle. It is fascinating to see his campaign play the Republican establishment game more aptly then their traditional candidates. The media narrative of candidate surges throughout the primary process has never included Dr. Paul. He is not even included on delegate count graphs of some mainstream news outlets, despite most of their numbers being just plain wrong.

But, could Dr. Paul be in the lead?

It would make for a dramatic climax to the frenzied Republican primary season, no?

 

[bentom187]

GLOBAL TAXES NOW? i understand that this has been "publicy intended" toget rid of offshore tax heavens, thats one thing, but if a person or group of people become INCorperated or make a LLC they have plenty of ways of avoiding taxes including charities right here.

so what would this actually acomplish? tax the world for goverment revinues claiming its their "fair share" ,then what ........ suppress them when they refuse ?

sounds conspiritorial ,so if relivant follow up info can be posted it'd be great.



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[itisme]

We need out of the UN and NATO! End the FED and IMF!

 

[bentom187]

RP's already given a press release

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-paul-responds-to-obama-administrations-global-tax-2012-02-15

 

[SpasticGramps]

I saw that global minimum tax BS. What a joke.

 

[itisme]

RP's already given a press release

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-paul-responds-to-obama-administrations-global-tax-2012-02-15

Which is why I LOVE RON PAUL! Yeah, I said it.

 

[ShroomDr]

But doesn't winning just a handful of small states only become significant IF Paul runs as an independent?

I watched Joe Scarborough mention his conversation with Rand Paul concerning his father's potential independent bid. I'll paraphrase - Ron Paul wants to run as a republican because it's more strategic than running as a libertarian or independent.

Yes, and he has to run against ROMNEY. If he is running againt Newt or Santorum, he is just the 'Second Republican'.

He has to run against 'the mormon'.

Their words mean nothing compared to their actions.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

State totals are from The Associated Press. Totals do not include the preferences of national party leaders, who are free to support any candidate, regardless of what happens in the primaries

Wouldn't it be crazy if Ron Paul won the delegate majority, but they went with Romney anyways. What is sad though is that is more than likely what would happen.

 

[bentom187]

well i would be suspicious of anything that comes from AP or reutors ,they control all info for the news cycle.cnn,msn,fox it desnt matter.
i assure you theres more paul deligates/voters and they are solid we can only gain deligates ,barring and huge fraud or change of rules.

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul Tops Poll Asking Who's Policies Favor The Middle Class (Includes Obama!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYV2W0WpCZ4 @2:40 timestamp

 

[konopenko]

What are the chances for RP? More than 30%??? Is there any hope that americans one day elect human president?
Balkan za RP!

 

[monkey5]

Good thread! Nice that you all are posting! Keep the truth coming!

 

[itisme]

Reason America Is Bombing Africa, Christians & Muslims United For Truth & Justice 2011 Update HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUn0dgAOtQY

Long but if you watch the first 7 minutes he calls out the Media in the US and is really into something. He is talking about he AFRICAN UNION that the ILLUMINATI and UN want like the EU and North American Union and OTHERS!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-beat-gangs-is-to-legalise-drugs-6950300.html
Guatemalan leader: the only way to beat gangs is to legalise drugs

Guy Adams
The Independent
February 16, 2012
The President of Guatemala has floated the prospect of legalising drugs in a bid to stop criminal gangs bringing even more bloodshed to Central America, and will attempt to win regional support for an idea which is likely to face fierce opposition in Washington.
Otto Perez Molina used a meeting with Mauricio Funes, his counterpart from neighbouring El Salvador, to discuss the concept earlier this week. He described it as the only way to respond to America’s failure to cut the demand for illicit drugs from consumers. Mr Molina intends to seek support for legalising drugs from other Central American leaders at a summit next month. “We’re bringing the issue up for debate,” he announced to reporters in Guatemala City. “If drug consumption isn’t reduced, the problem will continue.”
The decision to explore legalisation comes amid soaring crime rates in the country, which is regarded as prime real estate by Mexican drug cartels competing to shift cocaine from South America, where it is grown, to the US, where most of it is consumed.
Since current policies don’t appear to be stemming that flow, Guatemala needs “to find alternate ways of fighting drug trafficking,” Mr Molina says. “In the last 30 years with a traditional combat with arms and deaths, it can’t be done and we have to be open to viable alternatives.” The President remains vague on exactly how legalisation will work in practice. His best stab at outlining the nuts and bolts of the policy came in a radio interview, in which he said: “It wouldn’t be a crime to transport, to move drugs. It would all have to be regulated.”

 

[bentom187]

this guy cant be for real ,he's just contradicted his biggest talking point of his campeign, hes so done if this makes mainstream.

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[bentom187]

http://ohioright.com/2012/02/14/ohioright-coms-put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is/#comments

this poll is ging to award 10,000 to the PAC of the winner of the poll, "RON PAUL HAS A COMMANDING LEAD"

vote.

 

[trem0lo]

Wouldn't it be crazy if Ron Paul won the delegate majority, but they went with Romney anyways. What is sad though is that is more than likely what would happen.

I'd hate to think that our political process is THAT far gone...

For those who are new to this...

At the convention in Tampa, if after the first found of voting no candidate has enough delegates to be the nominee, they go into a brokered convention. The delegates become unbound to vote for whoever they want in a series of re-votes and much political wheeling and dealing. They could even bring in other candidates like Rand Paul or Jeb Bush (ugh). One thing for certain, RP's delegates will never get behind anyone else, and if he has enough delegates, they will HAVE to give him VP or a position in the administration at the very least. The GOP desperately want to avoid this scenario at any cost.

This is the same reason they will pull shenanigans to keep him from winning delegates. Iowa was fishy and Maine was outright fraud. Fortunately for us RP people are taking over leadership positions (we just got a GOP chairman elected in IA) to prevent this from happening.

It's like when Neo jumps inside Agent Smith in the Matrix. That's essentially been Ron Paul's strategy since the 2008 election.

 

[bentom187]

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RP or his supporters are not giving up in maine,from the liberty forums:

When: February 18th, TBD (should be 1:30 P.M.)

Location:
Washington Academy
66 High Street
East Machias, ME 04630

Calling on ALL Ron Paul supporters in Maine, especially in Washington County.. who says your vote doesn't count? Who says your vote doesn't mean a thing? We can win Maine and the very first state for Ron Paul. We only need 200 more votes. Let's hold a rally and GOTV effort for justice and election integrity this Saturday. Remember Independents and unregistered voters can go to the caucus early to register Republican to vote. There are 5,600 Registered Republicans in Washington County and thousands more Independents and unregistered voters.. Knock on every door you can and convince people to show up this Saturday. Make sure you follow up.

Don't let all this news discourage you from voting next week and getting your entire neighborhood to join you. Make it a goal to get as many people there next week as possible.. Let's make it a rally for justice... get all the Ron Paul supporters in Maine to converge in Washington county to volunteer and get 500 more votes for Ron Paul! There should be no doubt in our minds we can win WIN Maine.

We can still WIN! Let's do this!

----Also Rally and GOTV for Hancock County----
Date: February 18
Time: 10:00 a.m.
Location: Hancock Grammar School, Cemetery Road, Hancock
Coordinator: Kathy Birdsall @ 460-1021
Towns: GOULDSBORO, HANCOCK, LAMOINE, WALTHAM, SORRENTO, SULLIVAN, WINTER HARBOR, FLETCHER’S LANDING

Date: February 18
Time: 1:00 PM
Location: Eastbrook Municipal Office, 959 Eastbrook Road
Coordinator: Deborah Lockman @ 584-5900
Towns: AURORA/AMHERST, EASTBROOK, FRANKLIN, MARIAVILLE, OSBORN

Castine
March 3rd, 9:30 A.M.
Emerson Hall
Caucus Contact Person: Jinny Comiciotto
Phone #: 326-8340

source:
http://www.hancockgop.org/mainpage.htm
http://www.mainegop.com/2012/01/main...12-caucus-info...

----Also Rally and GOTV for Kennebec County----

Clinton
Saturday, February 18
10:00 A.M.
Clinton Town Office
Contact: Steve Trask 660-1942
E-Mail : [email protected]

Rome
February 16th, 6:30 P.M.
The home of Alan & Lynn Labelle (256 Jamaican Point Road)

Please also bump and vote up this thread on the Dailypaul. Thanks!:
http://www.bit.ly/Au6eVm

 

[itisme]

At the convention in Tampa, if after the first found of voting no candidate has enough delegates to be the nominee, they go into a brokered convention.

...the only two that are BOUND by the STRAW POLL so far are NH and NV. The others can and most already do belong to RON PAUL and your correct......they will not budge