Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[CannaBunkerMan]

"do you want legalized hard drugs?"

Two answers and a question.
1: damn right I do
2:they already are legal except for the good ones(doses and Molly)

If heroin became legal tomorrow would you run right out and spike it up?

Well, I think that some people might. Take DB for instance. Without government intervention, he'd be a junkie on the streets, occasionally patronizing the White-only clubs that are sure to pop up if racism doesn't remain illegal.

Why should we legislate stupidity? It's my prerogative as a human being if I want to risk my life doing something dumb.

 

[GP73LPC]

i just dont get why so few people are voting for ron paul

are people retarded or what?

yes, i have come to this conclusion long ago

 

[Plant Early]

 

[ShroomDr]

We'd have to assume that withdrawing from the world wouldn't have the same consequences it had in the late 19th through early-mid 20th centuries.

What consequences?

And how did the USA lead the world during this period?



1870-1938 had more European freedom than 1945 to 1990.

WW1 was a war resulting in liberation for eastern europe,
and
ww2 was a war resulting in oppression for eastern europe.

 

[dagnabit]

Did someone post this yet?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What consequences?

Ever occur to reference American, isolationist history?

And how did the USA lead the world during this period?

We didn't.

1870-1938 had more European freedom than 1945 to 1990.

WW1 was a war resulting in liberation for eastern europe, and

ww2 was a war resulting in oppression for eastern europe.

sounds like you got it all figgered out there, bruz.

 

[dagnabit]

Non interventionist is not isolationist.

We are more isolationist now than we would be with doc. He espouses trade with all nations as our founders intended.

 

[SacredBreh]

HHHmmmmmm... seems the same to me???

HHHmmmmmm... seems the same to me???

IMO, they're handling things quite differently. Europe is attempting austerity and the result is their private debt hasn't contracted like private debt in the US.

We have public debt to manage but our private debt has been reduced considerably since the 2008 housing bust.....

The audit of the Fed’s emergency lending programs was scarcely reported by mainstream media – albeit the results are undoubtedly newsworthy. It is the first audit of the Fed in United States history since its beginnings in 1913. The findings verify that over $16 trillion was allocated to corporations and banks internationally, purportedly for “financial assistance” during and after the 2008 fiscal crisis.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceyg...the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Same people paying for it, same source for bail out, same...... bullshit.

That is $16,000,000,000,000.00..... our money being given out. Are you saying it was used differently??? Maybe I didn't understand?

Peace

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

Let me see if I get the train of thought, right?

Let me see if I get the train of thought, right?

Everybody acknowledges our need to cut spending. Obama proposed more spending cuts than Simpson Bowles but the opposition balked at the 1:4 revenues to spending-cuts strategy.

As soon as the opposition realizes they can't get substantial cuts w/o revenue increases, we'll get a tax rate that addresses deficits.

So we are going to cut enough and increase the taxes enough to not only "address" OUR public debt but also that of all our FRIENDS over seas?

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

And you're saying we should continue to just leave it in the hands of the TWO PARTIES' philosophies and ideals that not only made this kind of bullshit POSSIBLE but NECESSARY..... and to ignore an alternative to those philosophies and ideals because Ron Paul's ideas have not shown to work in history?

IMHO History shows EXACTLY that the ideas of BOTH dominate Parties have not worked!

I couldn't find an annual interest calculator on the net that could do $30,500,000,000,000. How many generations of our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, ..... (anyway you get the idea) will it take to work their way out of the SLAVERY they are being born into???

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results-- Albert Einstein.

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

Many doubt that a serious "crisis" could unfold.....

Many doubt that a serious "crisis" could unfold.....

Apparently, the United States Government is not one of the "many" mentioned above. Out going President Bush, ordered a full Brigade (4,700 Personnel) to be stationed in the United States for Homeland Security in 10/1/08. 1st Brigade Combat Team.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The above quote was later revised so that it read the nonlethal package would only be used in "war zone operations".

Correction:

A non-lethal crowd control package fielded to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, described in the original version of this story, is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S., as previously stated.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/obamas-consequence-management-response-force/

The Brigade had been in combat in Iraq so the additional new training of the "crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons" was a part of the new assignment.

These troops are still assigned. Seems someone was worried around 2008..... hhmmmm what was going on then....... and are still worried enough to not stand them down. Long time after 9/11 to start assignments against foreign terrorist attacks.

Peace

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/wwi.htm


Details of behind-the-scenes machinations which dragged Americans into World War I (the Great War) were taken from the book "The Lusitania", written in 1972 by Colin Simpson. ISBN #0-345-25145-8-195. The following is excerpted from Section 3 of the work-in-progress titled Jewish Persecution.
________________________________________________________

Mr. Reed did not mention the machinations behind our entry into WWI which should be included here in order to give credence to the assertion that every war in which American soldiers have been used, has been a plan to further the goals of the World Revolution.
When Europe became embroiled in the first 'great war', it has been written that nine of every ten Americans opposed U.S. intervention. They would not be aroused by all the propaganda of the controlled press and passionate speeches of Zionist lackeys in the government. Neither could the U.S. Congress be persuaded. For this reason, a hostile act had to be committed by the enemy -- namely Germany.
Without going into all the truly ugly details, of which books have been written, suffice it to say that: Woodrow Wilson, Mandel House, J .P. Morgan (a Rothschild agent) and Winston Churchill (First Lord of the Admiralty at the time) conspired together to ensure that the passenger ship, Lusitania -- carrying 1,195 passengers, 195 of which were Americans -- would be sunk by a German U-boat.
Part of the British Cunard line, the Lusitania had been restructured, armored and armed for combat. Along with her unsuspecting passengers, she was known to be carrying tons of ammunition and other war materials from the U.S. to England in violation of the protocols of war by 'neutral' powers.
We use the phrase 'neutral powers' facetiously in this case, because the real history of WWI proves that not only was the war discussed as far back as 1906, it was decided that the U.S. would be brought in on the side of the Allies. However, it is probable that the method whereby the U.S. would be entangled was not formulated until later.
In the case of the Lusitania, the German government had pre-paid for adds to be placed in fifty newspapers, mostly on the east coast, warning Americans not to sail on the Lusitania. Of all the papers, only the Des Moines Register published the warning on the requested date. The U.S. State Department frightened publishers by raising the possibility of liable suites if they published without prior clearance from State Department attorneys.
Following is a transcript of the text of that ad from G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature From Jekyll Island:

NOTICE!
TRAVELERS intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travelers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk.

IMPERIAL GERMAN EMBASSY Washington, D.C. April 22, 1915 ​

Mr. Griffin also explains how the German navy had been goaded into a position of 'shoot first, ask questions later'. On May, 7th, 1915 the Lusitania set sail without protection; her course was charted for a known German submarine nest. As expected, the hit from a single German torpedo caused an explosion so great (from the explosives on board ship) that the Lusitania went down in only 18 minutes, carrying nearly a thousand men, women, children and infants to their death.
Later, at the American Embassy, because he was under the impression that all passengers had survived, Ambassador Page went ahead with a planned dinner, during which the telegrams began arriving detailing the events of the tragedy. Mr. Page read each of them aloud to his guests. It is said that when the full details of the tragedy were known, Mandel House informed all present that the U.S. would enter the war within the month.
Even after the deaths of nearly 100 American citizens, it took almost two years for the press, along with constant pressure from President Wilson, to arouse the people and finally persuade the U.S. Congress to declare war against Germany. Obviously, Americans then were not quite so easily inspired to war as they are today. However, on April 16, 1917 Americans were pressed into war, believing they were fighting for God and country.
To accomplish this feat over a thousand innocent lives were lost, military career men left their offices, William Jennings Bryan resigned as Secretary of State, the Lusitania's Captain Turner became a scapegoat, and in defense of the World Order U.S. soldiers left their families, wives, and children to kill and die. Just as they are doing today.
The influence of the press at that time was a result of the Morgan-Rockefeller scheme in buying up the major newspapers, in order to 'press' them into the service of the Internationalists.
In Griffin's book mentioned above, Griffin explained that:

"When the ship was sunk off the coast of Ireland with 195 Americans aboard, it became the center of a national campaign to generate emotional support for coming into the war." ​

On page 262 of The Creature From Jekyll Island there is a reproduction of one of the campaign ads designed most effectively to reach into the very depths of one's heart. A painting depicts a young woman at the bottom of the ocean, holding an infant tightly in her arms, her hair and gossamer gown drifting in the current. The painting says it all. The single commanding word, in large, bold letters says simply: ENLIST
Those same unconscionable methods are being used today, to sustain the hurt, anger and desire for revenge of the WTC tragedy, in the minds and hearts of Americans. HBO is just now airing a memorial to the victims of the heinous act of evil, renewing, refreshing, and re-energizing the gamut of emotions that had begun to heal.
We are dealing here with cold, calculating devils who have either lost, or they've never had so much as a glimmer, of either compassion for another human being or remorse for their deeds. If it should happen that any of them would suddenly awaken to the terror they've caused and committed, they would surely lose their minds with relentless grief.
The United States' entry into the Great War filled the needs of both the British and the Zionists. England needed U.S. military power - including American men and boys - and the Zionists wanted the 'Holy Land' for themselves. It is for themselves and their ruthless plan for World Dominion, not for their lesser brethren. In exchange for the Zionists' promise to bring the U.S. into the war, the British government promised a 'homeland' in Palestine for the Jews.
This promise was made via a letter from Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild on November 2, 1917, that became known as the Balfour Declaration (appendix B). Incidentally, the Declaration did not promise a Jewish State for the Jews; it promised a homeland, along with certain and specific conditions, to wit:

". . . it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". ​

The snag accompanying the promise was the fact that Palestine was not England's to give; at that time Turkey ruled Palestine under a sort of home rule government. For nearly twenty years the Zionists had been wrangling for a homeland for the Jews, and they turned down offers made for other territory. It had to be Palestine!
According to Doug Reed:

"As the first decade of the 20th Century grew older the signs of the coming storms multiplied. In 1903 the British Government had offered Uganda to Zionism and Max Nordau had publicly foretold 'the future world war', in the sequence to which England would procure Palestine for Zionism. In 1905 the Protocols prophetically revealed the destructive orgy of Communism.
Then in 1906 one Mr. Arthur James Balfour, Prime Minister of England, met Dr. Weizmann in a hotel room and was captivated by the notion of presenting Palestine, which was not his to give to 'the Jews". Rabbi Elmer Berger says of that time,

"that group of Jews which committed itself to Zionism . . . entered a peripatetic kind of diplomacy which took it into many chancelleries and parliaments, exploring the labyrinth and devious ways of international politics in a part of the world where political intrigue and secret deals were a byword. Jews began to play the game of 'practical politics'." ​

It was arranged well ahead of the planned first Great War, that England would declare Turkey its enemy, gain control of Palestine, and hand it over to the Jews. It happened as planned. During the war British leaders beholden to Zionist powers diverted men, weapons and planes from France to Palestine just prior to the German invasion of France, endangering the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, and the possible outcome of the war. . . except they knew the U.S. would come to their rescue.
Why did the Zionists specifically want Palestine?
First, it served to fulfill the mandates of Jehovah that his 'chosen' would be given this territory as their reward for obeying all his bloody statutes. In their arguments to get what they wanted, Zionist leaders claimed that, "the Bible is our mandate". In fact, for the Jews, their mandate is the Torah and the Talmud, not the Bible.
Secondly, the land in that area contains rich natural resources beyond comprehension. According to George W. Armstrong, in his book, The Zionists:

"The value of the minerals of the Dead Sea is estimated at five trillion dollars. This estimate appears to be optimistic but it is supported in part by the report of the Crown Agents of the British Colonies entitled "Production of Minerals From the Waters of the Dead Sea" (page 2).
It is alleged that all copies of this booklet containing this report have been destroyed except those in the British Museum, Colonial Office, and House of Commons.
This official report estimates the minerals, except oil, in 1925 as follows: Magnesium Chloride, 22,000 tons, value 600 billion dollars; Potassium Chloride, 20,000 tons, value 75 billion dollars; other minerals valued at 1,200 billion dollars; or a total of about three trillion dollars, exclusive of oil.

This enormous value staggers the imagination. I am unable to appraise the effect on the human race if the Zionists gain undisputed title to it, or if it should be devoted to public use. " ​

Mr. Armstrong did not mention the mineral and oil wealth of the Negev area, which was also included in the partitioning process. The Rothschilds were well aware of these facts. The land stolen from the Arab Palestinians by the Zionists is considered veritably the Jewel Box of the world. (Appendix C ).
It boggles the mind to realize the wealth controlled by virtue of those natural resources alone, and to be aware of the fact that Americans have supported Israel to the tune of $10 billion a year, plus, since its very inception. Then there's the over-$100 billion Germans have paid in reparations, plus all the hundreds of millions of dollars bilked out of the lesser brethren for the cause.
To confirm the early pre-planning of that first world war, Norman Dodd, Executive Director of the Reese Congressional Committee that was formed in 1953 to investigate tax exempt foundations, explains that: When he visited the Carnegie Endowment he was told that his request to view their records would be difficult because

"with the ratification by the Senate of the United States of the UN Treaty, our job was finished",​

...so therefore, all records were in a warehouse.
(The fact is there exists no 'treaty' with the UN Organization since the Constitution provides for the U.S. to enter into treaties only with other nations. We must keep firmly in mind that the U.S. is merely a dues-paying member of that Organization and owes it no allegiance nor duty to obey its mandates. Other treaties and entangling alliances that are destructive to the peace, safety and wellbeing of Americans can and should be terminated.)
Mr. Dodd was invited to go to the warehouse and view the minutes of past meetings of the trustees of the Carnegie Endowment if he wished. In his testimony before an Illinois Senate Committee in 1978, Mr. Dodd told the state legislators - among other discoveries in the Carnegie meeting minutes - that:

"Now, we are back in the period of 1908, and these minutes reported the following: The Trustees . . . bring up a single question; namely, if it is desirable to alter the life of an entire people, is there any means more efficient than war to gain that end? And they discuss this question. . . and they come up with an answer-- there are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people.
That leads, then, to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war?
This was in 1909. I doubt if there was any question more removed, or any idea more removed from the minds of us, as a people, at that time than war. There were certain of what we call 'intermittent shows' in the Balkans, and I also doubt if very many of us knew, really, where the Balkans was, or their relation or possible effect on us.
. . . oh, before that, the Trustees then answered the question of how to involve us in a war by saying, 'we must control the diplomatic machinery of the United States'; and . . . the answer is 'we must control the State Department'.
Now, at that point, research discloses a relationship between the effort to control the State Department and an entity which the Carnegie Endowment set up – namely, the Council of Learned Societies. And through that entity are cleared all of the appointments – high appointments in the State Department, and they have continued to be cleared that way since then.

Now, finally, we are in a war. Eventually, the war is over, and the Trustees turn their attention, then, to seeing to it that life does not revert in this country to what it was prior to 1914; and they hit upon the idea that in order to prevent that reversion, they must control education in this country. They realized that that is a perfectly tremendous, really stupendous and complex task – much too great for them alone. So they approached the Rockefeller Foundation, with the suggestion that the task be divided between the two of them." ​

The Council of Learned Societies that Mr. Dodd mentions, undoubtedly became or was replaced by the Council on Foreign Relations which members have dominated the U.S. State Department since before World War II. Think about the alleged 'cause' of that first great war. Where did it begin? The Archduke of Austria was assassinated by a Jew in Sarajevo; Austria declared war. In 1909, five years earlier, the world troublemakers planned it that way.

It has also been written by historical researchers that the reason the war was held off until 1914 was that the same group that orchestrates and executes wars -- the International Zionist Bankers - first wanted the U.S. to pass the Federal Reserve Act so the American people could pay for the costs of the war. The Federal Reserve Act passed in December, 1913, The Great War broke out in 1914, as planned. We've paid and paid and paid. ​

 

[itisme]

Doorbell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoGORXAv2o

We are dealing here with cold, calculating devils who have either lost, or they've never had so much as a glimmer, of either compassion for another human being or remorse for their deeds. If it should happen that any of them would suddenly awaken to the terror they've caused and committed, they would surely lose their minds with relentless grief.

Simply amazing post Storm Shadow. All that evil is the work of the Devil, literally. These demons wish to be all knowing and all powerful and they will do whatever they can to mimic God's powers.

Those of you that don't believe in God need to know this is real. Sometimes it seems easy to accept the Devil's work on earth but we ignore God's. You can't have one and not the other.

Spastic Gramps quote:

Even Soros has admitted that openly.

Tell em bro. No central authority needed here.

 

[whodare]

Maybe a comprehensive analysis says, "Let me think.. no?

only if your willfully ignorant of the facts...

We'd have to assume that economic Armageddon is imminent.

depends on how much money the fed can print before we look like the Weimar Republic circa 1924

(jeez the price of milk is killing me these days!!!)

We'd have to assume that withdrawing from the world wouldn't have the same consequences it had in the late 19th through early-mid 20th centuries.

could you refer me to the consequences of which you speak as a cursory exam of history shows the period of which you speak we were fairly involved in the world militarily speaking A timeline for ya DB

We'd have to assume that contraction wouldn't sustain until relatively few technologies like railroads, steam engines and the telegraph manage to jump start demand.

that is if you believe Paul's policies would lead to contraction of the market taking us back to the early 1900's...
though i believe his policies would allow new innovation in old technologies, there would be no subsidies to useless sources of fuel (ie corn for ethanol. which harms food supply and price) and we would be free to explore better alternatives... remember ford originally used hemp for both the body panels and fuel for his original cars...

We'd have to assume we have alternatives for the proposed slashing of departments and agencies. I'm all for legalized weed but do you really think that hard drugs should be legally available? 50 different educational, environmental and immigration standards would be a challange to even recognize, let alone understand.

you bash his ideas yet your not willing to see that these department didn't always exist people made due without them and for every problem solved one is created thats the nature of government intervention...

We'd have to assume that moving back doesn't reintroduce all the negative consequences we've already experienced, documented, studied and (in many cases) mitigated.

again i think your argument is confused,
take for example the department of education which was instituted in 1979...
the quality of our educational system and the quality of the end products(ie. students) has declined in relation to the rest of the world since its inception, we were the standard of excellence before then...



http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-states/edu-education
Education spending (% of GDP) 5.7% [39th of 132]
Enrolment ratio > Secondary level 88.1% [21st of 135]
Grade 12 advanced students math 442 [15th of 15]
Grade 12 advanced students science 423 [16th of 15]
Literacy > Adults at high literacy level 19% [9th of 17]
Literacy > Adults at low literacy level 49.6% [7th of 17]
Mathematical literacy 493 [18th of 27]
Primary teacher salary > Starting $25,707.00 [5th of 22]
Reading literacy 504 [15th of 27]
School life expectancy > Male 14.8 years [16th of 97]
School life expectancy > Total 15.2 years [14th of 110]
Scientific literacy 499 [14th of 27]
Student attitude > Dislike of school 35% [5th of 17]
Student attitude > Find school boring 61% [2nd of 17]

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think you're pretty confused too, whodare.

 

[itisme]

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[nephilthim]

ron paul is the sanest option on the the warmongering pyscophants of the congress lockstep in wanting wars regime change syria and iran.thank hopey changey with your'e gas going up to 4 buck with his worthless impostion of econmic sanctions on iran that india,china,and russia are thanking us for great!coupled with aipacs complete domination of nearly every congressional member trying to manufacture consent for wars that we dont want 80 percent of people and no they dont have the bomb. israel has hundreds though!coupled with the bank bailouts, bilderburg agenda in media,and the impending euro meltdown the only safe invesment is gold and silver which might push 3000 and 50 dollar an ounce.

 

[whodare]

I think you're pretty confused too, whodare.

that must be it but the fact that you dont have some witty remarks or bloated comebacks speaks volumes

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

for example?

 

[dagnabit]

that must be it but the fact that you dont have some witty remarks or bloated comebacks speaks volumes

exactly what i thought

 

[whodare]

Dissociative identity disorder?