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I'll try to debunk the bunk as I go.
Even Clinton signed the Kyoto treaty but didn't submit it to the Senate for three years.
Numerous sources (leaning both left and right) report of Kyoto's failure.
LA Times: Kyoto Failures Haunt UN Talks
International Political Review: The Failures and Achievements of the Kyoto Protocol
The Lies of Durban: Kyoto CO2 Emissions Controls Were A Success
Congressional Testimony: "Kyoto Protocol: 'A useless appendage to an irrelevant treaty:
NRO: Lessons of Kyoto
The Independent: The Big Question: Is the Kyoto treaty an outdated failure based on the wrong premises?
It's main accomplishment that many cite is that it increased awareness to the general public about pollution and the potential harms of certain gases.
Where's the billions of dollars in oil revenue if we went to war with Iraq for oil?
Personally, I think it was a knee jerk reaction. We knew Saddam had a bounty on suicide bombers that kill Americans. I believe he was paying 10,000 - 20,000 dollars to the survivor's families. It's like the loner kid that gets bullied during recess, and because he doesn't want to look like a punk he picks someone he already doesn't like and beats the snot out of him just to prove a point. "Mess with me again and you'll end up like that guy."
Saddam's genocidal killing of Kurds is well documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
But even if you are a little skeptical (as this article may suggest you should be: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm), the article is not alleging that Saddam/Iraq didn't have chemical weapons merely that the chemical weapons were used against Iranians and Iran had committed the attacks at Halabaja and blamed it on Saddam.
If I create a problem and you have the capability to fix it, don't we both deserve blame if neither does what they should.
Same as above, Obama hasn't stopped the TPA.
But I do know some things don’t seem to add up. The WTC towers fell almost like a controlled demolition. Maybe it was just God’s grace that kept the body count as low as it was. It certainly could’ve been worse. The plane that went down in Somerset County didn’t look like a typical plane crash site, more like it was shot down or blown up mid-air. The wreckage spanned a humungous area.
The Pentagon’s attack is even more fishy. All video coverage of the crash was confiscated and the Pentagon released a mere 12 frames which neglect to show the item which hit the pentagon prior to the explosion. Likewise, the Pentagon refused FOIA requests for other confiscated videos (citing that releasing the videos would create a problem for law enforcement) and they still haven’t released them 10 years after the event.
Occum’s Razor. Is it easier to believe that a terrorist who had no experience (except for flight sim training) flew a 757 jet (for the first time) and was able to complete a maneuver that most Naval and Air Force pilots admit that they couldn’t execute or is it more plausible that something else happened?
He’s essentially just asking congress to write him a blank check for the last 3 years with no clear plan of action or budget.
I changed my registration prior to the 2008 primary and voted for Clinton because I saw her as a less worrisome Democratic candidate. IMO, (and I’m no supporter of most democrats), she would’ve been much better on the economy; war; social issues; drug war; etc. than Obama. But hey at least we can say we’re over racism… we elected a black guy.
Was the Anti-ballistic missile treaty necessary after the cold war ended? After all, only the Soviet Union and the U.S. were signers. It seems to me that it served it's purpose and now that we're not in an arms race with Russia we don't need it anymore.
The Kyoto protocol is much like anti-gun legislation (or considering the audience--a war on drugs). It's well meaning but does not provide a solution to the problem it attempts to address.
Even Clinton signed the Kyoto treaty but didn't submit it to the Senate for three years.
Numerous sources (leaning both left and right) report of Kyoto's failure.
LA Times: Kyoto Failures Haunt UN Talks
International Political Review: The Failures and Achievements of the Kyoto Protocol
The Lies of Durban: Kyoto CO2 Emissions Controls Were A Success
Congressional Testimony: "Kyoto Protocol: 'A useless appendage to an irrelevant treaty:
NRO: Lessons of Kyoto
The Independent: The Big Question: Is the Kyoto treaty an outdated failure based on the wrong premises?
It's main accomplishment that many cite is that it increased awareness to the general public about pollution and the potential harms of certain gases.
Whether he took office with an agenda of leading us into war with Iraq or not, I don't know. At the least, your assertion is speculative.
Where's the billions of dollars in oil revenue if we went to war with Iraq for oil?
Personally, I think it was a knee jerk reaction. We knew Saddam had a bounty on suicide bombers that kill Americans. I believe he was paying 10,000 - 20,000 dollars to the survivor's families. It's like the loner kid that gets bullied during recess, and because he doesn't want to look like a punk he picks someone he already doesn't like and beats the snot out of him just to prove a point. "Mess with me again and you'll end up like that guy."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Bin Laden family (minus Osama/Usama) pretty normal semi-western Arab family. If nothing else it protected the innocent Bin Laden's from having to face an angry mob of Americans trying to kill anyone sharing the same surname.
Iraq had WMDs. The question is whether they were hidden/destroyed/or shipped to another country prior to our invasion. Saddam had gassed his own citizens. How do you use nerve toxins on your own citizens if you don't possess nerve toxins?
Saddam's genocidal killing of Kurds is well documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
But even if you are a little skeptical (as this article may suggest you should be: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm), the article is not alleging that Saddam/Iraq didn't have chemical weapons merely that the chemical weapons were used against Iranians and Iran had committed the attacks at Halabaja and blamed it on Saddam.
I agree not very funny and very tasteless considering the soldiers that lost their lives to retrieve something which may or may not have been there.
I agree. Our involvement in other nations either covertly or overtly has blow-back it always has and it always will.
I suspect that things like Waterboarding and prisoners being held at GITMO/CIA facilities happened prior to 2001, I think the post-9/11 world awoke to some of the atrocities that our nation commits. Regardless, while Bush enacted these things Obama has done nothing to resolve them. Doesn't that make them equally guilty?
If I create a problem and you have the capability to fix it, don't we both deserve blame if neither does what they should.
Agreed, but the Patriot Act wasn't penned by the President just signed into law by the POTUS. If anything I'd place the blame more on the Congress and Senate since they write laws. The POTUS just signs or vetoes, both are liable.
Same as above, Obama hasn't stopped the TPA.
While I agree that the stories we were told about 9/11 are fishy to say the least… I’m not sure what really happened. False flag? Inside Job? Controlled demolition? I have no idea.
But I do know some things don’t seem to add up. The WTC towers fell almost like a controlled demolition. Maybe it was just God’s grace that kept the body count as low as it was. It certainly could’ve been worse. The plane that went down in Somerset County didn’t look like a typical plane crash site, more like it was shot down or blown up mid-air. The wreckage spanned a humungous area.
The Pentagon’s attack is even more fishy. All video coverage of the crash was confiscated and the Pentagon released a mere 12 frames which neglect to show the item which hit the pentagon prior to the explosion. Likewise, the Pentagon refused FOIA requests for other confiscated videos (citing that releasing the videos would create a problem for law enforcement) and they still haven’t released them 10 years after the event.
Occum’s Razor. Is it easier to believe that a terrorist who had no experience (except for flight sim training) flew a 757 jet (for the first time) and was able to complete a maneuver that most Naval and Air Force pilots admit that they couldn’t execute or is it more plausible that something else happened?
Agreed.
I’m not sure they do as they wish… but all of their money= a lot of power = a lot of lobbyists = getting favors from the POTUS and his administration. This makes Bush not much more different than the last 10 Presidents before him.
We’ve always had a problem with defense spending. Agreed that the Iraq/Afghan wars added a lot of debt, Obama hasn’t done any better. In fact, it’s been more than 1,000 days since a budget was signed by the President.
He’s essentially just asking congress to write him a blank check for the last 3 years with no clear plan of action or budget.
I agree with ya.
I changed my registration prior to the 2008 primary and voted for Clinton because I saw her as a less worrisome Democratic candidate. IMO, (and I’m no supporter of most democrats), she would’ve been much better on the economy; war; social issues; drug war; etc. than Obama. But hey at least we can say we’re over racism… we elected a black guy.
