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[snakemanOG]

Left them alone again today as far as taking anything off.

July 13, day 14 flowering:




As overhead as I could get:

 

[snakemanOG]

July 14, under the screen:



The GG looks pretty good. Need to take a little more from her later this week.

Not sure what I'm going to do with the JHxPB. It's a jungle on her. If anyone has any suggestions feel free to give em to me.

I'll post my nightly pics after the lights go out.

 

[snakemanOG]

July 14, day 15 flowering:



I untied just about everything I tied out tonight. The GG stretched like I hoped, the JHxPB not so much.

 

[who dat is]

Noticed your comment so I poked my head in here. I skimmed through everything to get up to speed but did you have any specific questions or concerns?

 

[snakemanOG]

Noticed your comment so I poked my head in here. I skimmed through everything to get up to speed but did you have any specific questions or concerns?

Thanks for looking. Just curious if you had tried GG with a scrog and any suggestions you might have in general on the strain. I think things are going OK so far, but wanted to get other peoples input, especially from folks with experience with GG. Mostly, I just want to make sure I don't screw it up.

So far, I really think the upgraded light and the new nutes have made a big difference. I've noticed on this run it started to smell nice a lot earlier than past runs.

Your plants look great. I would love to have room for a 4x4 tent, but I'm a bit limited on space. I'm really trying to max my yield. So far I've had pretty good luck with bending and training so I decided to give SCrOG a try. It has really helped to keep the canopy more even, so I may be sticking with that method going forward.

Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate it.

 

[who dat is]

Thanks for looking. Just curious if you had tried GG with a scrog and any suggestions you might have in general on the strain. I think things are going OK so far, but wanted to get other peoples input, especially from folks with experience with GG. Mostly, I just want to make sure I don't screw it up.

So far, I really think the upgraded light and the new nutes have made a big difference. I've noticed on this run it started to smell nice a lot earlier than past runs.

Your plants look great. I would love to have room for a 4x4 tent, but I'm a bit limited on space. I'm really trying to max my yield. So far I've had pretty good luck with bending and training so I decided to give SCrOG a try. It has really helped to keep the canopy more even, so I may be sticking with that method going forward.

Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate it.

"Once you go vert, you don't revert"

Remember that there are always 3 dimensions with anything, growing included. Instead of sticking with just the one 250watt you could be looking ahead and getting another 250 and stacking it, or better yet two 400 watt lights. You could alternate the different bulbs between HPS and MH or if you have a magnetic 400 watt HPS ballast you could get a ceramic metal halide bulb and rock that.

*Shit*

I just realized that you said your tent was only 63" high so maybe put all that I just typed on the back burner as your 2.0 project. Sorry, I was getting ahead of myself.

In any case, the GG4 would be a really good candidate for a Scrog set up I'm sure. I've not ran it as such but just knowing how she grows I'm sure she's well suited. She doesn't like to grow up vertially so much as she grows OUT laterally. I don't know how stealth you have to be but as she grows and develops odor becomes more and more an issue so be sure to have a carbon scrubber. GG4 can also be pretty susceptible to having too much larf and popcorn with everything that isn't receiving enough light. Be sure to clear out all the sucker branches and shitty little budsites that are only going to waste the plant's resources under canopy. I grow organically and know that I had a problem running out of Nitrogen too early on my first run. This past run I was sure to keep up the N later on into flower to keep her happy and not have fan leaves yellowing out too early. This appears to be different with synthetic nutrients though from what I've seen in the GG4 thread with others saying she's a moderate to light feeder and Joesey himself saying to hold off on the N once flowering starts. I thought this was interesting and would follow the latter advice since you are using synthetic nutes. The branches are also floppy and don't like to support their own weight once you are several weeks into flower. You might be able to squeek by without having to get additional support after your screen but you'll just have to play it as it goes along. Don't even think of pulling it before 8 weeks. When you think it's ready, wait another week. That is pretty solid advice for growing any strain. I never take anything before 9 weeks but that's just me and again, I only grow organically in dirt which is the slowest method to grow with. Coco, Hydro, Aero are all going to develop and mature faster. Just be sure to check trichomes later on in flower for the kind of high that you are after. This past run I took my glues all the way to 10 weeks. No particular reason really other than I wasn't in a hurry to chop them and I just let them coast to the finish line.

I can't think of anything else off the top of my head right now. Sorry for the novel, I just got to typing. I'll keep an eye out for this thread and help you out any other way that I can as stuff pops up.

This is what you have to look forward to.

 

[snakemanOG]

"Once you go vert, you don't revert"

Remember that there are always 3 dimensions with anything, growing included. Instead of sticking with just the one 250watt you could be looking ahead and getting another 250 and stacking it, or better yet two 400 watt lights. You could alternate the different bulbs between HPS and MH or if you have a magnetic 400 watt HPS ballast you could get a ceramic metal halide bulb and rock that.

*Shit*

I just realized that you said your tent was only 63" high so maybe put all that I just typed on the back burner as your 2.0 project. Sorry, I was getting ahead of myself.

In any case, the GG4 would be a really good candidate for a Scrog set up I'm sure. I've not ran it as such but just knowing how she grows I'm sure she's well suited. She doesn't like to grow up vertially so much as she grows OUT laterally. I don't know how stealth you have to be but as she grows and develops odor becomes more and more an issue so be sure to have a carbon scrubber. GG4 can also be pretty susceptible to having too much larf and popcorn with everything that isn't receiving enough light. Be sure to clear out all the sucker branches and shitty little budsites that are only going to waste the plant's resources under canopy. I grow organically and know that I had a problem running out of Nitrogen too early on my first run. This past run I was sure to keep up the N later on into flower to keep her happy and not have fan leaves yellowing out too early. This appears to be different with synthetic nutrients though from what I've seen in the GG4 thread with others saying she's a moderate to light feeder and Joesey himself saying to hold off on the N once flowering starts. I thought this was interesting and would follow the latter advice since you are using synthetic nutes. The branches are also floppy and don't like to support their own weight once you are several weeks into flower. You might be able to squeek by without having to get additional support after your screen but you'll just have to play it as it goes along. Don't even think of pulling it before 8 weeks. When you think it's ready, wait another week. That is pretty solid advice for growing any strain. I never take anything before 9 weeks but that's just me and again, I only grow organically in dirt which is the slowest method to grow with. Coco, Hydro, Aero are all going to develop and mature faster. Just be sure to check trichomes later on in flower for the kind of high that you are after. This past run I took my glues all the way to 10 weeks. No particular reason really other than I wasn't in a hurry to chop them and I just let them coast to the finish line.

I can't think of anything else off the top of my head right now. Sorry for the novel, I just got to typing. I'll keep an eye out for this thread and help you out any other way that I can as stuff pops up.

First things first, nice nugs! Hope mine look like that.

Thanks for the info. I really wish I had more space, but oh well. I recently upgraded to a 400 watt dimmable ballast and have been running at 300 watts to keep the temp down. I'm hoping I can run it at 400 watts from Sept/Oct until April/May when we have a bit cooler temps here. Currently I only use the HPS bulb with it, but my fixture does support HPS and MH. I really haven't ever used MH, so I may have more questions on them in the future.

LyryC had also advised that I would probably need another screen when they start to fill out because they get pretty heavy. I already had another one of the same type built, so I'll probably be adding it in a few weeks.

I've got a carbon scrubber on my exhaust fan, so not too worried there. You really can't smell her until you get in the closet and open the tent. I've noticed she seems to smell the strongest in the morning about an hour after the lights come on.

This weekend I plan another round of pulling stuff from under the screen. I know this a touchy subject, but what are your thoughts on removing sun leaves? My last run I tried an experiment based on an article I read in HT. After 4 weeks I pulled pretty much all of the sun leaves that weren't in bud sites. It didn't seem to have a bad impact on the plant, but I'm trying to decide if I should try that with the GG. I pulled everything that was under the screen last week including small sucker branches and bud sites that weren't getting any light. This weekend I'm going to do another round off removal. I've also been pulling sun leaves above the screen if they were blocking bud sites. I gave her this week to recover, and she has bounced back like crazy.

You can't tell from the pics, but this plant is bent at a 90 degree angle and the main stem runs parallel to the soil. I'll get pics after harvest to show what they looked liked. I've had really good luck using this method and it allows me to keep the lights nice and low in case I need to move them up. Helps to keep from running out of space going up.

I had planned to let her go at least 8 weeks before flushing for a week, so I think I'm good to go there. I'll be checking the trics at 8 weeks to see how much longer I want to let her go. I know the other plant in there is going to 11-12 weeks, so I won't rush it. It's going to be hard waiting, but I'll manage.

Thanks again for the info and tips. I'll be keeping an eye on your thread too to see how they look and turn out.

Thanks,
snakemanOG

 

[who dat is]

I know that there are some people on here that are all about pulling fan leaves and others that would slap you in the mouth at the mention of pulling them all off. Dr. Fever was one in particular (hell the main one) that was ALL ABOUT pulling all the fan leaves off. He always came across as rude and condescending too so that added to the fan leaf removal stigma for me but I digress. In my opinion you shouldn't remove fan leaves unless they are really in the way or dense enough to the point that they are overlapping each other. I remember seeing a your fan leaf removal picture a couple of pages back. I think that this is also very strain dependent where some can tolerate it while others will shit bricks from the stress. I too tried extensive defoliating in a past grow with several different strains. Across the board it was a very negative experiment with growth essentially HALTING until they could recuperate enough, get over the stress, and resume bud development. A nice compromise to this is tucking and weaving your fan leaves so that they are behind the buds.

It sounds like you have a good handle on trimming and pruning as well. Get after it in moderation, do a prune session and leave them be for a week before getting after it again. If you have already removed everything from under the screen then you should be good. Once you are 3 weeks or so into flower then you should be able to tell what and how everything on the plant will develop and you can make any last minute snips as necessary.

Regarding flushing and all that you could probably quit feeding them and let them coast to the finish line. (2 weeks of no food and just water) Somebody could correct me here if I'm wrong as that is best practice for organic.

I'd like to add that while looking at your first grow in this thread it really reminded me of my first documented grow here on icmag. Took me back several years.

 

[snakemanOG]

Yeah, the JHxPB took a bit longer to bounce back. It's really bushy. The GG seemed to bounce right back. I still have some small stuff under on the GG, got some tonight and I'll get the rest Sunday.

I'll play the sun leaves by ear, I don't think I'm gonna take them all again.

Yeah, the run in the beginning of this thread went horribly bad. Lot's of different factors played a part in that. Definitely not my best effort. Live and learn.

I'll post my nightly pic tonight after lights out.

Thanks again.

 

[snakemanOG]

July 15, day 16 flowering:



Pulled the little stuff under the screen on the GG. Not sure what to do on the JHxPB. It really got bushy, and I would have to take about half the plant out to clean it up. Any suggestions would be helpful.

 

[who dat is]

July 15, day 16 flowering:

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Pulled the little stuff under the screen on the GG. Not sure what to do on the JHxPB. It really got bushy, and I would have to take about half the plant out to clean it up. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Ask yourself if it will develop into anything. Use your best judgement.

 

[snakemanOG]

Ask yourself if it will develop into anything. Use your best judgement.

I've been thinking about it from a few different angles. Well, 2 really.

I was fairly certain that if I took a lot of the low stuff from underneath, it would probably add a few more weeks to finish. Since I'm already looking at 11-12 weeks for it to finish, I didn't want to add more. So that seemed like a bad idea.

Then, I thought I could just take some sun leaves from the top to get some more light down to the lower stuff. But, when I looked down underneath I could see that most of the low stuff I was hoping would come up barely moved in a week since the last major trim. So that seemed like a bad idea too.

But then I looked back at the pics I have here and some I didn't post, and it really bounced back as well as the GG up top as far as the new sun leaves are concerned. So I decided that I'm going to take out any of the small stuff from underneath that didn't get close to screen level and try to make clones with some of the ones I take off. I'm also going to take a decent amount of sun leaves from it and probably the GG too. They are pretty thick on both of them and a lot of nice bud sites are really shaded.

Even if it adds a few more weeks to the JHxPB it really won't matter too much because the GG seems to bounce back quickly. If the clones take it will be nice, I can trade some of them for some Woody Haze and Death Star clones. Those would be nice to try.

 

[who dat is]

I've been thinking about it from a few different angles. Well, 2 really.

I was fairly certain that if I took a lot of the low stuff from underneath, it would probably add a few more weeks to finish. Since I'm already looking at 11-12 weeks for it to finish, I didn't want to add more. So that seemed like a bad idea.

Then, I thought I could just take some sun leaves from the top to get some more light down to the lower stuff. But, when I looked down underneath I could see that most of the low stuff I was hoping would come up barely moved in a week since the last major trim. So that seemed like a bad idea too.

But then I looked back at the pics I have here and some I didn't post, and it really bounced back as well as the GG up top as far as the new sun leaves are concerned. So I decided that I'm going to take out any of the small stuff from underneath that didn't get close to screen level and try to make clones with some of the ones I take off. I'm also going to take a decent amount of sun leaves from it and probably the GG too. They are pretty thick on both of them and a lot of nice bud sites are really shaded.

Even if it adds a few more weeks to the JHxPB it really won't matter too much because the GG seems to bounce back quickly. If the clones take it will be nice, I can trade some of them for some Woody Haze and Death Star clones. Those would be nice to try.

You are overthinking things. I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Go with your gut as I don't think anything here is off significant consequence. You got it

 

[snakemanOG]

You are overthinking things. I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Go with your gut as I don't think anything here is off significant consequence. You got it

Yeah, my mom always said I was too analytical. I'm just gonna clean her up and try to get a few viable clones out of her.

Out of curiosity, what kind of temp range do you get in your tent?

 

[who dat is]

Yeah, my mom always said I was too analytical. I'm just gonna clean her up and try to get a few viable clones out of her.

Out of curiosity, what kind of temp range do you get in your tent?

I'm in a crawlspace so it's a little cooler and more humid down there than you would typically see in Colorado. Lights off this time of year temps in the mid 60's and humidity 50-60% with the light off. Lights on humidity drops to around 30-40% and temps around 70 at the central fan, canopy warmer.

Those grows were from several years ago, I've since sold the tent.

 

[snakemanOG]

I'm in a crawlspace so it's a little cooler and more humid down there than you would typically see in Colorado. Lights off this time of year temps in the mid 60's and humidity 50-60% with the light off. Lights on humidity drops to around 30-40% and temps around 70 at the central fan, canopy warmer.

Those grows were from several years ago, I've since sold the tent.

I had to re-visit your glue thread, I forgot you were in the crawl space. I wish I could get my temps where yours are. My lights on temps are 81-84, with a rare spike up to 88 (only happened once when I first got my new light and only for 10 minutes or so), humidity is staying steady at 39%. Lights out temps get to about 70 and humidity gets to the 50's.

How tall is your crawl space? I've got one myself, but I never really thought about using it. Mines only 33" tall though, it would be pretty tight. I could use 5-7 gallon horse food bowls as pots, they're only about 7" inches high. My net's only at about 14 inches high. I'll have to think on that.

Thanks for the temp and humidity info. I need to figure out how to get humidity up a bit with lights on.

The nigtly pic. July 16, day 17 flowering:

 

[who dat is]

Mine is 4.5'. I wouldn't really want to work in anything smaller than that as it could be a real pain in the ass.

 

[snakemanOG]

Mine is 4.5'. I wouldn't really want to work in anything smaller than that as it could be a real pain in the ass.

Yeah, I got in there to ckeck it out. No bueno. I'd end up with a bad back and would always be hitting my head. One day my son will move out, then I can upgrade to a basement room.

Did my last major pruning session, hopefully, today. I really took a lot off the JHxPB and cleaned up the GG a good amount too.

Under the screen after:



Main stem of the GG showing the bend I put in when I transplanted her:




Main stem of the JHxPB showing the bend in the main stem:



You can't see them now, but the main stem on the JHxPB threw out roots. I covered them with soil when I noticed them.

Here they are above the screen after the trim:



Gave them a good feeding afterwards. Hopefully I didn't take too much off and they'll bounce back.

 

[snakemanOG]

July 17, day 18 flowering:



That was taken about 5 hours after pruning them. They both seemed to recover pretty well, I'm hoping I didn't take too much off them.

 

[snakemanOG]

July 18, day 20 flowering:



Didn't do much but feed and move a few around. They don't seem to be any worse for the wear after yesterdays big pruning/trim session.

Oh, I did realize they've been flowering a day more than I thought.