Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Guest]

Baphomet, Zamal is from La Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean near madagascar.

Sorry to hear that red, hope things turns out good for you in the long run. At least you got to live the dream of growing real tropical sativas in their native environment.

 

[mjshouldbelegal]

La Reunion' Island - I had to look it up too.....

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/reunion.htm (home of Zamal)

 

[Guest]

The zamal I grew/am growing is the Female Seed's Zamal x Neville's Haze, here's all the info:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26228&highlight=zamal

The Reunionaise Sativa
La Reunion is a mountainous island centrally located in the indian ocean along ancient sea trade routes between southern india thailand madagascar and the eastern coast of africa. It is perhaps one of the sweetest "sweet spots" as dj short would say to breed cannabis. There are two seasons on the island the warm rainy season and the slightly cooler dry season. During the warm season temperatures consistently stay between 55 and 85 f with about 7 days per month with rainfall the cool season is consistently 50 to 75 f with 3-4 days of rainfall per month. This combined with the soil of a newly created island high altitude mountains and fairly low latitude makes this a perfect place for cannabis cultivation and breeding. Though its very unlikely, there are a few botanists who say cannabis arrived here before man. Most will disagree because there are very few imaginable scenarios of how cannabis could spread here without the aid of humans. Nevertheless cannabis use among the indigenous people is a very old and integral part of their culture.

The culture on La Reunion is composed of african creoles who mostly have ancestors brought there because of the slave trade. Cannabis use among the slave population started as a part of mystical ceremonies and personal use for comfort and medicinal purposes. As it became an integral part of the culture it came to be used for traditional purposes sometimes festive like harvest celebrations or weddings. Or mystical purposes like rubbing it on a cock before a cockfight to increase their intensity in the fight (I've heard of finger has but never cock hash! Lol ) or feeding it to a hen to make it a better egglayer. Zamal was also snuffed as a decoction by the village elders (gramoons) to relieve asthma and calm stomach pains. During a meeting of the gramoons it was commonly smoked. However most of this culture ceased in 1970 when La Reunion passed its first narcotics laws in 1970. While I consider this to be an overall negative event one benefit of the narcotics laws in La Reunion was that it prevented hybridization of their genepool at just the right time. Around this time the wave increased cannabis consumption in the us had caused an increase in commercial cannabis production all over the world. This caused many indigenous growers of landrace to hybridize their stock with other varieties for more commercial purposes. This is the reason many of the strains in and from kerala and the rest of southern india while good are no longer what they once were. Kerala is considered to be as dangerous as columbia and this is because of the huge amounts of money from the cannabis trade. Zamal is much like the old strains from southern india which is understandable as most botanists agree it was brought there by indians. It is very small seeded has long narrow flowers a portion of plants produce monophyllus leaves (3 leaflets or less) and all specimen produce less than 5 leaflets. It has an (among mango carrot scented phenos) odor and flavor very similar to top quality southern indian sativa. These are all southern indian traits and zamal may be more true to the original kerala sativas than anything you can find today called kerala or from that region, however it has traits from africa and thailand also. The high comes on very fast (indicative of a high THCV content) like many east and southern african strains. I wish it was possible for me to do gc analysis but unfortunately not. There is one pheno that existed in one type of zamal seed I've obtained but not the other it occurs about 1 in 30. It is rose scented and unlike the long south indian like spears it produces a more fluffy resinous strandy type flower similar to a thai. It has a scent more like a floral rose than the sweet mango-carrot south indian odor and a pinkish hue on the undersides of the leaves. It is also interesting to note when zamal is crossed to strains with thai in their background juicy fruit, c99, pure haze, certain females in the f1 (never taken further) would have the highland thai characteristic of an occasional shoot that comes out of an otherwise dense flower consisting of a thin flexible trichome covered stem with a calyx spaced about every quarter to half inch. I've gotten this trait in certain thais and juicy fruit f2s but never f1s showing it has to be inherited from both parents but oddly enough I've never gotten this trait in any inbred c99 or pure haze. This shows the possibilty of some very old yet high quality thai genes. I have two samples one from the first year gypsy nirvanna 03 collection and one from a close family member that visited the island while on vacation in the seychelles who claims to have had direct contact with a grower. Both populations are very similar except the one obtained from the family member is slightly taller and capable of making plants that are both better and worse and while potency is close to the same it produces a little more leaf resin. This is also the only one that I've seen produce the rose scented pheno. This is either because its true p1 stock from region of origin or simply because I started with more seed from this line as I only got 6 of 15 seeds to crack of the gn 03 seeds (not enough heat and these seeds have a short shelf life too) probably both. Anyway I hope you guys enjoy reading this threads.
While I don't have any pictures on the computer I'm using now I do have some stored at an anonymous email address. If you have an anonymous email and would like to see some pictures of this lovely ancient strain pm me and ill gladly send them to you.

I have never bought any zamal hybrids but they sjould be pretty good depending on how the cross was done. If it was a well selected zamal female crossed with a good afghani male the zamal is fairly dominant when used as a female in an f1. If this is the case you'll basically get zamal plants with a slightly shorter flowering time and a bit more resin and a little less height. If you wanna keep your plants under 3.5 ft you should top them at the 3rd node and grow supercropped style plants. They might not need this but doing this will help you be certain they won't get too tall. Don't veg too long. They're not extremely sensitive to nutrients like some sativas but they don't need much. Zamal is one of the only landrace sativas I've been able to successfully use as a breeder male to good results. If the case is that the breeder used a zamal male and afghan female its really hard to say what they'll be like. They'll probably be pretty good and resinous. I crossed it to a select c99 female and got something phenomenal that was more balanced 50/50 betwen the parents. Either way I'm sure they're excellent plants. I'd say in the 9-12 week flowering range probably closer to 12 than 9. Especially if the zamal was used as a female. I'd be more precise if I knew more about the afghan that was used. If the zamal was the mother you'll get a very good idea of how good this stuff is. It might not produce the resin content that you're used to but the flavor and high are wonderful. Many of my friends had a hard time getting the sativa thing. Either the sativas they smoked were too weak for them or they were just as sedative as an indica. This and its hybrids was the first strain to really show them how a plant can be strong and energetic. Hope this helps and I hope you get a chance to try it. Its definitely proof people have been smoking what we consider top quality for a very long time.

Here is an extract from a French government report on drug use on La Reunion, I found it as a PDF document and translated to English using Google language tools:

The product
The zamal, name given to the local cannabis, is very widespread and would have as a characteristic a content raised in THC. There are various kinds, the users call them “qualities”. Qualities available are indicated by names like: “mango-carrot” (because of its odor), “grains” (variety comprising of many seeds), “dryness with the foot” (plant faded or dry out of ground, grass of color chestnut) and more rarely “two tafs” (because of its very strong effect: two inspirations seem to be enough to feel the effect), or “kality zomfanm” (male-female, on a side the grain and other heads). “The joint mango carrot (the plant), it is grass, a bad grass… it goes to pump water on the roots of the close plants not to break the bottom with going to pump in ground. And it takes their gasoline of or the mango taste… the most incredible trick that I saw it is a kality guava tree… the taste it was chewing gum”. Other qualities resulting from imported seeds of Africa and also of Europe. As these last categories of plants push in outside with Meeting, one can think that this arrival will involve an evolution of local grass.


From the CIA World Factbook:

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/re.html

Background:

The Portuguese discovered the uninhabited island in 1513. From the 17th to the 19th centuries, French immigration, supplemented by influxes of Africans, Chinese, Malays, and Malabar Indians, gave the island its ethnic mix. The opening of the Suez Canal in 1869 cost the island its importance as a stopover on the East Indies trade route.

Location:

Southern Africa, island in the Indian Ocean, east of Madagascar

Geographic coordinates:

21 06 S, 55 36 E

Climate:

tropical, but temperature moderates with elevation; cool and dry (May to November), hot and rainy (November to April)

Terrain:

mostly rugged and mountainous; fertile lowlands along coast

Geography - note:

this mountainous, volcanic island has an active volcano, Piton de la Fournaise; there is a tropical cyclone center at Saint-Denis, which is the monitoring station for the whole of the Indian Ocean


This was posted by FemaleSeeds Team on *****:

Hi Folks,

After lot of requests for more FS-strains, we're gona launch the X-line soon.
The X-line is developed with the intension of creating (limited) editions of exclusive strains/crosses for the enthousiast.


In the first edition of the X-line, we offer:

C'99
Grapefruit X Nev.Haze
Pure Nevilles Haze
White Widow X Big Bud
Zamal X Nev.Haze

All 99.9% female, 5 seeds a pack for a price you won't believe.

Cheers

Online Growshop Aliën:

http://www.growshopalien.com/onlineshop/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d156.html

Female Seeds X - Line Zamal x Nev Haze

This is a very limited edition; a cross with the mighty Zamal. The Zamal (mango/carrot) comes from La Reunion Island (near Madagascar).The mother-plant grows big long arms like an octopus, full with resinous little buds. This Zamal, with it’s unique ‘electric/intelligent’ far out high, is crossed with the Nevilles Haze to reduce it’s flower period from 20 to 15 weeks without losing to much of it’s psychedelic qualities or polluting it with Indica’s. Clones of this cross are easier manageable indoors. Last 4 weeks of 10/14 will help them to finish flowering.

Regular seeds from the pure Zamal are 25% male, 25% female and 50% hermies. Crossing it with Nev.haze and feminizing it has had a very positive result on the female/hermie ratio, however we can’t promise 99% females here. Just keep a good eye on them.

A very nice one if you have the patience and are ready for something totally different, something far out.

5 seeds per pack

This was posted by FemaleSeeds Team on *****:

Zamal x Nev.Haze was a succes. We're talking about a non-commercial product here(15 weeks minimum), but very different from the other bud that is grown out...that rare hippy-trippy electric high...far out.....pure happieness.....That kind of bud you only come across once a life-time..wish we lived in the tropics and could have a zmlxnev.hz tree in our garden... Several test grows have been done with the Zamal x Nev.Haze. No hermies have been found..........Our stock is sold out now and our mother Zamal is no more. Some ''rare'' stock is still available somewhere on the net.
We keep some Zamal x Nev.Haze as breeding stock.

Only Skunk Special x Zamal is still available.

The pure Zamal (Mango-Carrot) needs 20-24 weeks to flower and 50% are hermies, 25% males and 25% females. Every grower who has grown this plant out to it's full potentials has lot's of respect for this plant/tree. After harvast it starts growing again and starts flowering half a year later.
Due to repression, the Zamal grown on La Reunion is harvested to early and of poor quality. Growers on La Reunion also love to grow more commercial strains now, like skunk and ww varieties. The Zamal might become a extinct species soon.


This was posted by FemaleSeeds Team on *****:

The Zamal cross is perfect for northern Oz, it can even grow into a tree, who lives for years and can be harvested by the end of the dry season/winter.

 

[moe]

how long does it take for u to germinate a landrace seed ?

 

[Guest]

BritishHempire

If I decide to try growing out either my Malawi Gold or Durban Poison this next grow how can I keep them under 5 feet?

I was going to grow them 12/12 from seed. But if I do that I can't top them, can I?

Should I veg them just long enough so I can top them once? How many nodes should I allow them to grow before topping? 3 nodes like you were talking about with reference to the Zamal x N. haze?

I don't know if I can wait till next year. I want to grow one or some of both NOW LOLOL!

How many seeds should I germinate to grow in my 1 meter square space?

I am blown away by all the different crosses that are out there!!!

Great reading and education here
Obli

PS
Anyone can, and I hope will, respond.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Very sorry to hear you're forced to move elsewhere Redrider. Thanks for the eye candy and the knowledge you've spread. I hope you'll still be around on the forum and wish you all the best for the future.

And all the seeds I had have gone back to the people.

Are you sure you don't want to keep any of those? Who knows what certain 'urge' you'll develop after you've settled somewhere. An urge to grow out sativas for instance... :wink:



Top info on La Réunion BH! I'm in business with Madagascar, would there be any interesting sativas present there as well?

 

[Ganico]

The other way is ALOT longer and produces less stable end results but will take significantly longer to go into inbreeding depression. and thats taking the best three or so males to the best three or so females in an open pollination. and stabilize best traits for many generations. This is much less stable seeds but you can breed your own quality seeds till you die. good for an outdoor grower who makes seeds every year.

This is the reason colombian gold and pure mexicans etc. are as strong today as they were forty years ago, but strains like g13 and getting weaker and more generic with each generation. They are spitting from a smaller gene pool. g13 will give you more stable results and uniformity, but lower in quality after a very short amount of time. the regional sats will give a wide variety of plants but some will be killer. dutch growers did the single plant method and bushman worldwide have stuck to letting a few males gangbanging and growing beans from the stoneiest plants.

Yeah, well there you go,haha. Perfectly said. For an outdoor grower I think that's an important factor to look at, cause your strain will adapt to each season a lot better. No two seasons are exactly alike I don't think

 

[Guest]

Madagascar will almost certainly have cannabis growing, the African coutries on the same latitudes certainly do - Malawi, Transkei, Swaziland etc. Strains would probably originate from African sources or like La Reunion, from Indian immigrant workers.

 

[Guest]

This stuff continually gets better the longer it sits. Skinny leaf pot rules.

 

[Guest]

Do "skinny leaf" sativas need a lot of trimming? Or do you guys just leave those leaves alone and let them dry up along with the buds?

Those leaves are really coated with resin in the picture above. I can see whjy you'd leave them.

 

[Baphomet]

British_Hempire thanks for the info on Zamal - it sounds like an interesting X. Shame it's no longer available, especially after reading "The Zamal cross is perfect for northern Oz, it can even grow into a tree"

(no prizes for guessing where I might be...)

How did you go with that Zamal finger hash smoke? When I saw no follow up to your post, I figured it must have been pretty good...

A question please:

My indoor grow space is 20" X 44" floor space and 70" high with good air intake & exhaust as well as having slow-release CO2 daily.
I have a choice of 250w, 400w or 650w HPS on hand for vegeing/flowering.

As I now have enough dry bud to last me for about 8 months, I was thinking of turning my grow space over to a Sativa that can take as long as she likes to finish properly.

Q. What strains would be best in this environment? (my current on-hand strains are listed in my sig., but I'm certainly not adverse to making new purchases... )
How many Sativas could grow comfortably in that grow area?

Time flowering is not an issue, and is why I stockpiled my buds.
My only other requirements are:
She/they are to be pure landrace Sativas.
They must produce a really energetic 'up' high. Is psychedelic really possible?

O Wise Ones, I beseech you for answers....

 

[Guest]

Baphomet I would say any of those sativas you have listed would be fine. Lighting I always like using the biggest. The best scenario would be HPS and MH mix. As far as height restrictions I prefer supercropping to keep them in check. As long as you fill the space whether its one or ten plants it doesn't really matter.

 

[Guest]

I have Durban Poison and Malawi Gold coming to grow in a small space as well. A 39"x39"x72" grow tent.

Could I grow half and half of those two strains together? How do their flowering times differ, if they do?

How big would these two strains be before showing sex if grown 12/12 from seed? Germing 10 seeds might be a mistake if I don't have room to grow them long enough to see what sex they are. How many seeds to germ for my space is a big question for me since I don't know the growth habits of these sativas.

Thanks

Obli

 

[Highlighter]

Oblidio49, the Durban will finish quicker and will be smaller than the Malawi.
The Malawi's can get huge and will require diligent training.
Maybe best to grow out the Durban by itself first. :wink:

 

[Guest]

Yeah, the Durban will be much shorter then the Malawi and will finish quicker too. Probably a good idea to grow the durban first to try out your techniques before going for the Malawi which can get friggin huge. I just saw a grow of Afropips Malawi on another forum and he flowered his at 14 inches and they ended up 6 foot trees.

 

[JackKerouac]

Afropips Malawi on another forum and he flowered his at 14 inches and they ended up 6 foot trees.

I tend to overgrow things so I can sympathize.

 

[marijuanamat]

I just put couple of your Original Haze x Malawi Gold in water cup´s to germ Mat. I am going to try 12/12 from seed with them, sounds like a good idea?

I went 12/12 with a few and got 1 very nice female which smelt and tasted like lemon sherbet dip and the flowering time wasn't as long as i expected it to be at 13-14 weeks and she started flowering after around 25 days.

 

[Herbalistic]

Mmm, interesting.. I think this could yield something nice Any experience about bending them? Does the plants grow big mainbud, or is it tree type of hybrid? I would suppose it´s very branchy.I was thinking to bend them if they come too big in my limited space. Later on, if I succeed to get one female, I clone it and grow little bonsai tree. Of the two seeds I put germing, one germed overnight and another one has been 3 days in waterglass without cracking. I am going to move it tonight between towels.

It´s interesting to grow this cross of two authentic sativas and it get´s more interesting when they mature

Just got five Kali Most beans, I think I have to put one to germ to get sample near future. We have two Kali Most plants with a friend, another one is healthy looking male and the another one hasnt show sex yet!

Just smoked big ass sample joint of the OH x SK#1 with a girlfriend. Damn, it really get´s you high. It is perfect weed to get you in the mood with your lady, when the pike of the high has smoothed a little, otherwise it´s gigling after gigling... I was thinking to let that hermie make her balls two-three before putting end for her story. However, she still pushes hairs, but I know she does that still if I let her go 140 days again. She is now 87 days old and is currently maturing with 11.5/12.5 lightcycle.

 

[marijuanamat]

I restricted the roots a little on mine as well in 5L pots on a 10/13 light cycle and she grew 1 main cola and to around 3ft ,heres a pic of her

 

[Herbalistic]

Ok, I can see How´s the high of this hybrid, can you describe it little from your experiences?