Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[ngakpa]

Next season I'm going to be growing some of these and do some preservation, hoping to bulk the stock or do crosses at least. Very unique strains, some with natural purpling.

yeh it would be good if people worked and preserved some Highland Thai types from that region - it is really unusual ganja

--- unfortunately there won't be any available from RSC for a while...

I have heard there are a couple of clones being kept going in California

there are purple and light green phenotypes --- the best of the light green phenotypes I tried was better than the purple..

from what I hear there is a general opinion among hill tribe folk who smoke ganja that there are better varieties grown in Burma than the Highland Thai

I don't know what the situation is with ganja in the highland areas of Burma these days, but from what I hear the quality and production of ganja in some areas of the Thai highlands has dropped quite a lot over the last few years -

it can be tough to get hold of good well grown Highland Thai... you are more likely to find Lowland Thai or Hmong Lao type herb in my experience

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Some of my outdoor O Haze crosses (outdoor)


look for more info on these haze crosses on http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=133124

 

[elmanito]

Mmmmmmmmmmm, nice shots La Buena Hierba

What stands the O for?????

Namaste

 

[Ras Pablo]

Here is a Golden Tiger in middle flowering more less, the resin appear since the begining of bloom, super large stigmas and powerfull smell.

Also one of my crazy Ethiopians. I love it.

Salud!

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Hi Elmanito the O stands for the Original haze thise Autoflowering original haze are real nice hoop they wil bring me even beter ofspring i cross them with difriend Autoflowering crosses(O Haze x autoflowers) and some oltimers Haze x thai from ace so the haze will be dominant in the crosses for my next selections

 

[spindlywicket]

This is an unknown strain, given to a friend as 'sweet island skunk'. We aren't sure if it actually has any island sweet skunk genetics. There were a couple different phenos, one had some pretty fat leaves and another looked like purple stemmed mini-bamboo. Grown in the pacific northwest.

 

[Esskie]

certainly looks resinous enough there spindlywicket

Can I ask the advice of the sativa connoisseurs who've posted in this excellent thread about Highland Lao and if I'd get away with growing it out in an indoor grow-tent at all?

Would it be advisable to germinate them into 12/12 and/or don't veg clones?

there's a DWC bubbler in the flowering room I bought specially for test plants and the odd sativa so they could have their own nutes as the nutrient regime of my regular grows caters for 8-10wk strains

I'm really tempted to pick up a pack of these as both my better half and I do love our sats.
I won't go into the gory details but the motivational, up-lifting and cerebral sativa high helps me a lot. Despite being in the UK, I self-medicate and find this type of high to be very well suited to my condition. So well suited I don't need to use my prescription pills

the strain that caught my eye is Highland Lao
Although it's listed as a single strain from the supplier I've found, it's actually a mix of various cultivars from that region, here is the description given:

Region: Southeast Asia
Strain: Highland Lao

Genetics: Pure Lao Highland Ganja Cultivars
Latitude: 17°N
Regional Maturation: late December to early February
Height: 1m - 2m
Yield: approx. 1kg of dried flowers in natural outdoor environment
Characteristics: large calyxes, great flavour, potent highs
Grow Type: Outdoors or Greenhouse

A mix of seeds from several high quality ganja cultivars grown by the Hmong highlanders of Lao. Flavours range from classic musky herbal ganja to intense sandlewood. Calyxes are typically very large and colours range from deep purple/black to very pale green. Dark coloured Lao strains often produce a very heavy, dense stone. The most prized Lao cultivars produce ganja which cures to a golden colour and has a lovely intense high. The best highland Lao bud comes from the same landrace genepool that produced the legendary Thai grass of the '60s and '70s - the best "Thai" then being grown in Isaan, an ethnically Lao region on the opposite side of the Mekong River in neighbouring Thailand. From a collector's perspective this Highland Lao mix provides a nice range of heirloom genetics, and will provide specimens with excellent breeding potential. These are longflowering tropical highland genetics which would require plenty of experience if run indoors. Greenhouses would be required at northern latitudes.

Basically I'm just wondering how this strain is suited to growing indoors in hydro?, although a big soil container can be used it wouldn't be my first choice given the space I've got......plenty vertical space but only 1m-1.2m square with 600w

I know my questions are a bit like 'how long is a piece of string' but I'm hoping some of you may know this strain (or strains from this region) and/or have grown it indoors

Highland Lao

Highland Lao Buds

This is another strain available from the same source
Nepalese White Mountain

Nepalese Outdoors 1 Month (Not White Mountain)

 

[fastnick1oo]

Picture of African Buzz (malawi gold) going herm after too long flowering.

Cheers!

 

[HashMonkey1982]

nice landraces there Esskie. What is the smokey like on the highland lao?

 

[Mota de Dios]

Hey Ras Pablo is the Golden Tiger the Malawi x Meao Thai? hmm seems familiar..jeje Nice Ethiopian also, I'll be growing some F3s next year any advice?

 

[ngakpa]

Can I ask the advice of the sativa connoisseurs who've posted in this excellent thread about Highland Lao and if I'd get away with growing it out in an indoor grow-tent at all?

Would it be advisable to germinate them into 12/12 and/or don't veg clones?

there's a DWC bubbler in the flowering room I bought specially for test plants and the odd sativa so they could have their own nutes as the nutrient regime of my regular grows caters for 8-10wk strains

the strain that caught my eye is Highland Lao
Although it's listed as a single strain from the supplier I've found, it's actually a mix of various cultivars from that region, here is the description given:

High Esskie,

you will need experience to run these Hmong ganja plants indoors

no idea how they will do in hydro, but you will find they are very vigorous and should give a nice yield with space

natural conditions in Lao and Thailand are not far above and below 12/12 year round

but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean 12/12 is the best for indoors

to clarify: the Golden Lao, and the first batch of Highland Lao from the Real Seed Co were in fact from a single strain, as all of the rest of the RSC lines are

but the current batch of Highland Lao is a mix - and it says very clearly in the description that it is a mix - of Hmong seeds from various villages... you will get golden, purple/black, and green phenos

the golden and green phenos are more intensely up highs, the purple-black are dense heavy highs

in the future any Southeast Asian ganja lines we offer will be single strain farmed seed stock, like all our other stuff

seedbay and seedboutique are not carrying Real Seed Company stuff yet, but there should be some freebie 5 packs of Nepalese and Lebanese available by request with orders... if not there will be plenty more nearer to Christmas

All Best,

Namkha

 

[Beach Bum420]

Can I ask the advice of the sativa connoisseurs who've posted in this excellent thread about Highland Lao and if I'd get away with growing it out in an indoor grow-tent at all?

Would it be advisable to germinate them into 12/12 and/or don't veg clones?

there's a DWC bubbler in the flowering room I bought specially for test plants and the odd sativa so they could have their own nutes as the nutrient regime of my regular grows caters for 8-10wk strains

Hi Esskie:
I don't claim to be any kind of an expert grower, but I do have a few years of experience growing sats.
One thing I have discovered with sats (to keep the quality of the high that made you love it to begin with) is to not try to make it adapt to a diffrent environment. Instead, adapt your indoor environment to the needs of your plant.
1. Intense light.... as close to natural as possible. I use both mh and hps for vegging and flowering. I also have a couple of tanning bed flouro tubes as well as 1 blacklight flouro to add the uv radiation that equitorial plants get a lot of. the addition of the uv will almost double the tricome production compared to an identical indoor grow without them.

2. Temps can be quite a bit higher than strains hybridized with indica genetics. 90 to 95 degrees F in mid to late flowering isnt too much. keep res temps 70 to 75 deg.max humidity during vegging 85% to 90%.
As soon as she starts developing buds start reducing humidity by 5% every week to 10 days until you are down to 40 to 45 %. Just watch how your girl reacts to any changes. In a DWC system her reactions will be pretty quick....both positive and negative.

3. Nutes.In vegging and espicially in flowering she will want a higher N ratio than what you are probably used to giving your plants. Pure sats never really stop vegging. Overall nutes should be lighter than with indicas or indica sat hybrids. 950 to 1200 ppm at the peak. (thats with advanced nutrients products) with gh and other brands you might have to go even lower to avoid nutrient burn. flush with pure water for the last 2 to 3 weeks (the last week with no light at all)

4. In regards to the dwc system if yours is like most you have airstones in the bottom of your res and you like seeing a lot of bubbles.??
You do need the disolved oxygen to keep the roots healthy, but all that swirling around and movement of the roots is actually destroying them and causing the plant to use a lot of energy building an enormous root system. the reason is the motion in the res is tearing off the tiny capilary root hairs that take up the nutrients.Build yourself 4 bubbler tubes (like you see on an aquarium under gravel filter and put one in each coener of your res. make the top of your tubes well above the water line just 1/2inch or so below the top. this will provide just as much disolved oxygen without creating an underwater storm for your roots. Your plant can then use her energy to build strong stems and lots and lots of sweet sticky buddz.

5. None of your buds will mature at the same time. watch them closely. when 1 or 2 are ripe harvest them, as the others ripen harvest them. and if your strain is like some equatorial sats that I have grown you will get a very plesant surprise. where you clipped the bud...a new one will start to grow.
I have an ethopian landrace that I have been harvesting buds from for over 2 years and she is still strong and healthy (and producing awesome buds.
The best of luck to you and I know you will enjoy the adventure of growing sats....its not easy, its not quick....but the rewards are ohhh so worth it!
Peace and love to all
Da Beach Bum

 

[lasko]

mauritius sativa 131 dayz in flower

namaste

 

[*HazeLover*]

mauritius sativa 131 dayz in flower

namaste

131 days respect! that looks like a very very very wild sativa! nice

Peace&Love

HazeLover

 

[Laugan Gaucher]

Is there really something to smoke after 130 days ? extrême sativa indoor ?

 

[Esskie]

High Esskie,

you will need experience to run these Hmong ganja plants indoors

no idea how they will do in hydro, but you will find they are very vigorous and should give a nice yield with space

natural conditions in Lao and Thailand are not far above and below 12/12 year round

but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean 12/12 is the best for indoors

to clarify: the Golden Lao, and the first batch of Highland Lao from the Real Seed Co were in fact from a single strain, as all of the rest of the RSC lines are

but the current batch of Highland Lao is a mix - and it says very clearly in the description that it is a mix - of Hmong seeds from various villages... you will get golden, purple/black, and green phenos

the golden and green phenos are more intensely up highs, the purple-black are dense heavy highs

in the future any Southeast Asian ganja lines we offer will be single strain farmed seed stock, like all our other stuff

seedbay and seedboutique are not carrying Real Seed Company stuff yet, but there should be some freebie 5 packs of Nepalese and Lebanese available by request with orders... if not there will be plenty more nearer to Christmas

All Best,

Namkha

Thanks for the info ngakpa man, the connection wasn't immediately apparent btw, yes I wasn't too clear about it being me who hadn't noticed they were a mix until I'd read the strain description, there being no mention of a mix in the name is what I actually meant....my bad

I'll be in touch either way as I'd love a pack of Shiberghan and/or Mazar-i-Sharif .

I'm afraid I don't have a wealth of growing full on sats such as these as I've only ever grown out Haze, SH, SSH, a couple of others that came out of schwag bag-weed or of unknown lineage as I've pretty much stuck to the indica/ind-dom side of the fence for most of the time I've been growing

Hi Esskie:
I don't claim to be any kind of an expert grower, but I do have a few years of experience growing sats.
One thing I have discovered with sats (to keep the quality of the high that made you love it to begin with) is to not try to make it adapt to a diffrent environment. Instead, adapt your indoor environment to the needs of your plant.
1. Intense light.... as close to natural as possible. I use both mh and hps for vegging and flowering. I also have a couple of tanning bed flouro tubes as well as 1 blacklight flouro to add the uv radiation that equitorial plants get a lot of. the addition of the uv will almost double the tricome production compared to an identical indoor grow without them.

2. Temps can be quite a bit higher than strains hybridized with indica genetics. 90 to 95 degrees F in mid to late flowering isnt too much. keep res temps 70 to 75 deg.max humidity during vegging 85% to 90%.
As soon as she starts developing buds start reducing humidity by 5% every week to 10 days until you are down to 40 to 45 %. Just watch how your girl reacts to any changes. In a DWC system her reactions will be pretty quick....both positive and negative.

3. Nutes.In vegging and espicially in flowering she will want a higher N ratio than what you are probably used to giving your plants. Pure sats never really stop vegging. Overall nutes should be lighter than with indicas or indica sat hybrids. 950 to 1200 ppm at the peak. (thats with advanced nutrients products) with gh and other brands you might have to go even lower to avoid nutrient burn. flush with pure water for the last 2 to 3 weeks (the last week with no light at all)

4. In regards to the dwc system if yours is like most you have airstones in the bottom of your res and you like seeing a lot of bubbles.??
You do need the disolved oxygen to keep the roots healthy, but all that swirling around and movement of the roots is actually destroying them and causing the plant to use a lot of energy building an enormous root system. the reason is the motion in the res is tearing off the tiny capilary root hairs that take up the nutrients.Build yourself 4 bubbler tubes (like you see on an aquarium under gravel filter and put one in each coener of your res. make the top of your tubes well above the water line just 1/2inch or so below the top. this will provide just as much disolved oxygen without creating an underwater storm for your roots. Your plant can then use her energy to build strong stems and lots and lots of sweet sticky buddz.

5. None of your buds will mature at the same time. watch them closely. when 1 or 2 are ripe harvest them, as the others ripen harvest them. and if your strain is like some equatorial sats that I have grown you will get a very plesant surprise. where you clipped the bud...a new one will start to grow.
I have an ethopian landrace that I have been harvesting buds from for over 2 years and she is still strong and healthy (and producing awesome buds.
The best of luck to you and I know you will enjoy the adventure of growing sats....its not easy, its not quick....but the rewards are ohhh so worth it!
Peace and love to all
Da Beach Bum

Thanks for that very useful and descriptive reply too Beach Bum!, like yourself, despite having a few years of growing these beautiful plants I've never stopped learning!. Different requirements of different strains aside, there is loads still to learn, I think that's why I enjoy growing so much.

From your key points it sounds like I'd have a bit of messing around to do in order to keep the humidity and temps just right with the right combo of extraction and intake fans to manage it in a tent.

There is a DRS100 there that could be devoted to one or two?, as far as lighting goes I can provide MH or HPS in both 600w and/or 400w with T5 side-lighting.
We also keep lizards so have a 2ft UVB fluorescent bulb but it's not blacklight so I don't know if that'd be any good or not?.....I've oft thought about adding it to the flower area but have never had it spare to use.

Thanks again for your helpful replies (1 rep to both of you) and should I take the plunge I'll let you know with some pics

 

[hardhat22]

Esskie,you may want to use nitrogen sparingly until you get a feel for the plants requirement.I've had plants to revert to veg after adding nitrogen and I've had several to blow out and become stringy and way too airy.It can also cause them to flower indeterminately,meaning that it continues to produce new flowers even though older flowers are finished. Wild sats generally don't see much nitrogen in nature,I assume.You may want to try a staggered light regimine of 13-11,then 12-12,then 10-14 to induce flower if these are from near the equator.I haven't had luck with 12-12 inducing flower in equatorials.

Is there really something to smoke after 130 days ? extrême sativa indoor ?

Oh yea.With this type,a little dab'll do ya.Heres one with effects that lasted for 8+ hours.Only took a few light hits.Chicken soup for the soul.
Peace

 

[relief]

Wonderful pictures everybody, keep them coming.

Haze.

 

[HashMonkey1982]

that mauritius sativa sure looks pure sativa to me. Typical airy bud structure and nice thin leaflets.

 

[GroMore]

around here(appx 27 degrees latitude subtropic coastal) for outdoors, most equatorial landrace sats respond well to low nitrogen giving them the mold resistance necessary to mature out properly in our high rainfall wet season and best of all, this is where potency kicks in and if taken far enough, potent to the extreme end of the scale...

most of these strains do not reach anywhere near their best indoors but will be OK for purposes of seperating phenos, breeding, regenerating etc...

I agree the 12/12 regime may fail to induce flowering necessary with equatorial sats and I have found them defining their phenos more distinctively when started shortly before the onset of our winter which hits as low as 10 and a half hours at its peak low but buds still frost up nicely as approaching Spring, though never as potent as end of season buds which have come through the Summer/Autumn(Fall) period which have come through to Winter for harvest, sometimes finishing off as late as Winter solstice but well worth the wait!

Wished I could do more landrace sats closer to the equator where they'd do a lot better.

GroMore