Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Elevator Man]

That's 'Creme', before it spreads too far...

But awesome pictures mate, and really nice to see yet another expression of a very versatile strain! The clone you gave me back had to be really cut back, as it was over a foot tall, and that was after bending double! I took a lot of clones to my friend with the large room ('the library'), so that's safe now - I'm going to put mine into flower in two to three weeks, once it's re-grown some branches, and then I'll put clones from that outdoors sometime in May - ideally next to a JLo (Kentish Creme X Flo) so we can see if there are any major structural differences, and if the flower-times are different - shouldn't be really at F1 stage.

What I love about the KC is those tangled trichomes - many without heads, but still full of resin. The only other one I've ever seen like that was in the Cannabible 1 - a strain called 'Mystique' - Jason King says it's a sativa, but I've never seen or heard of it anywhere else. But the pic in the book looks just like a KC bud...

 

[Guest]

Sorry, Kentish CREME it is! Not sure I like the Americanisation of the spelling, but it's your call as you named it!

BTW, a friend came up with a hilarious name for the Purple Afghan the other day but I couldn't possibly use it as it's rather rude! lol

I'm really enjoying smokign the KC, even without any cure it's soooo smooth and tasty, just like Cadbury's Milk Chocolate. I've got 3 big, bushy KC clones ready to go outdoors when weather permits, the thought of all the lovely trim I'll get from the outdoor ladies to mak hash from has me drooling as the finger hash I made from this plant indoors when trimmign was some of the best I've ever smoked. I've passed this cut on so hopefully folks will find out what we're raving about before too long. I'm very interested in flowering out the sister plant of the KC I have. Leaves are indentical but she is a bit more compact in structure in veg. I need to get her cloned so I can flower her. Cloner is full of Purple Afghan clones at the moment. Once I have clones rooted I'll have to pass some on to you.

Yes, my pictures don't capture the twisted jungles of trichomes very well, I remember I uttered expletives when I looked at that first outdoor sample I was shown under your 30x viewer, a crazy, tangled mass of long, twisted glands with big, bulbous heads.

The dried nuggets are really dense and hard, and they have an overall gray look due to the dense resin coverage. I won't be surprised is this is something like White Widow acclimated to Jamaica and blended with local genes. Whatever it is is irrelevant really because one thing is certain - it's a mighty fine variety of cannabis and one I'm proud to have in my garden. Big props to Elevator Man for saving the only clone of this strain and preserving it for all of us. Then somehow I ended up having the only cuts but it's been spread around now and won't be lost as quite a few folks have the cut.

Cali has Kush, East Coast got Diesel, Texas has it's Shoreline, etc. Northern England has it's Kentish Creme! The moral of the story is, there are 'elite' level genetics everywhere folks are growing, it's just some are well known and other's aren't. In terms of bud density, resin production, bag appeal, potency, taste, and anything else I can think of, the KC compares very favourably with the Kushes I've grown or smoked - Bubba and Abusive OG or Sour Diesel or Chemdawg D x Nigerian Silk. While all those were great, I didn't keep the cuts and I have kept the KC.

 

[Herbalistic]

Cali has Kush, East Coast got Diesel, Texas has it's Shoreline, etc. Northern England has it's Kentish Creme! The moral of the story is, there are 'elite' level genetics everywhere folks are growing, it's just some are well known and other's aren't. In terms of bud density, resin production, bag appeal, potency, taste, and anything else I can think of, the KC compares very favourably with the Kushes I've grown or smoked - Bubba and Abusive OG or Sour Diesel or Chemdawg D x Nigerian Silk. While all those were great, I didn't keep the cuts and I have kept the KC.

And what about all the Spanish elite cuts?

Yes mate, everyone has their own "elite´s"! Cali aint the only place in the world producing expectional cannabis! However, we shouldnt underestimate their input on potent cannabis breeding! We should especially remember the input of early Cali breeders and their work that some of them continue till these days... What can I say, but HUGE for early Cali breeders like SamS, Sandy, Haze bro´s etc...

 

[Dalaihempy]

Cali has Kush, East Coast got Diesel, Texas has it's Shoreline, etc. Northern England has it's Kentish Creme! The moral of the story is, there are 'elite' level genetics everywhere folks are growing, it's just some are well known and other's aren't. In terms of bud density, resin production, bag appeal, potency, taste, and anything else I can think of, the KC compares very favourably with the Kushes I've grown or smoked - Bubba and Abusive OG or Sour Diesel or Chemdawg D x Nigerian Silk. While all those were great, I didn't keep the cuts and I have kept the KC.

Cali had great genetics as did other locations around the US and the world cali kush craze how been in a short time cali had and I'm sure still has great lines growing that don't have any kush in there genetic make up.

To say Texas has Shoreline and East Coast got Diesel and so on is like saying England has the mini minor Texas has the catelak and cali has the VW bug were in reality they also have Nissans fords chevs and so on.

What really is an elite any way i really think the term elite is over used in this community go use that term on an old hippie grower I'm sure once his stop larfing he will tell you his never heard of them lines or the term elite used in cannabis and will offer you some of his personal home grown that will level you that he would just call his or her home grown.

 

[Herbalistic]

I agree Hempy, the word elite is way overused on these forums and it confuses alot of people when they grow & smoke some of these "elite´s" and they only get ok/mediocre/nice erb, but nothing spectacular as they supposed!

This marketing thang only confuses people and creates tension among communitys, my sincerely opinion is that we dont need it!

Good strain, or plant sells it´s self without the need of hype. Growers from across globe let you know whats good, or not! Not some fancy catalog with fancy pictures & false information, but great story of the "history" of these so called "strains" .....

We need more & organized networks of growers/preservationist that share independent information about strains and of course strains in seed-/cuttingform!

Just my on this elite madness, which certainly produces conflicts in ouir belowed communities!

Btw, I think British was just trying to give good example´s, not trying to generalize

Peace all growers worldwide, let´s keep it simple & honest, so the next generation of growers can have real information about this magnificent plant and previous stages of it

 

[Dalaihempy]

hiya Herbalistic no i wasn't directing it at British_Hempire but the community its self the ward elite i feel has no place in this community is a classing system that is out dated.

What i think needs to be done is more people to germ seed select and find there own keepers.

Most if not all so called elite cuts are just selected plants from commercially available lines any way and what happens is a phino is found that some one likes he calls it an elite and re names the line and we have a new so called elite line but in all reality what we have is an all ready available line re named and called elite in short its doing no one any favors or the community just serving some ones ego that has a need to say I'm holding an elite.

 

[Herbalistic]

UGH, Hempy has spoken

Yes mon, it goes just like you described and it isnt doing any favor for our belowed community, but instead creates controversy & bad vibes + steals the original breeders work in a second!

That would be one thing to think for the "makers" of these elite clones! To name it by it´s originalname and not coming out with some cool name that supports the hype

Ok, those were my three cents on the subject and im not going into offtopic anymore regarding ^this^ discussion. I only suggest people to follow Hempy´s advice, which is: grow them seeds and find them keepers and never change the name of the line if it isnt outcrossed

Peace all

 

[Guest]

My entire point was to poke fun at the segment of our community that seems to thrive on arguing over their 'elite' cuts, I've always seen it as retarded to argue like little children about some clone-only strain that probably isn't all that anyways. It's just sad one-up-manship, it's that 'I got something you ain't got and it's better than any shit you got' crap that should have been left behind in the school playground.

I'd also like to point out that I've done my utmost to get the Purple Afghan, El Yucateca and Kentish Creme genetics out to folks as cuts and am working on seeds of these varieties. There are too many folks who seem to get a kick out of hoarding rare and special cuts just so they can play the 'I got tha dankest shit and no-one else has it' game. That's something else I consider retarded. What if I get bust of have an invasion of thrips or spider mites and lose these cuts? If I've shred them with folks, I can get them back, if I hoard them I run the risk of losing them forever.

Outlawed420 you are a disgusting little troll, herbalistic is a good guy, well respected onthese forums, he's contributed much info and many pics of his plants over the years, he's here to share knowledge and learn, what are yo here for? Judging by the obnoxious, childish bullshit your posts consist of, it seems you are here merely to play childish silly little games and stir as much trouble as possible! Is your sad pathetic life so void of pleasure that you have to get your kicks by starting trouble on the internet? Of all the threads where you could post you shit you have to go and do it here in the best goddam thread on the entire forum, what a class act you are, you snivelling piece of filth, go play your silly kiddy games somewhere else and leave us adults to talk about ganja sensibly and rationally.

 

[Dalaihempy]

UGH, Hempy has spoken :

Yes mon, it goes just like you described and it isnt doing any favor for our belowed community, but instead creates controversy & bad vibes + steals the original breeders work in a second!:

It has nothing to do with steeling a breeders line if you cant see the importance of a strain name then your loss.

That would be one thing to think for the "makers" of these elite clones! To name it by it´s originalname and not coming out with some cool name that supports the hype :

No one makes a so called elite they select and find a plant from seed and clone it.

Ok, those were my three cents on the subject and im not going into offtopic anymore regarding ^this^ discussion. I only suggest people to follow Hempy´s advice, which is: grow them seeds and find them keepers and never change the name of the line if it isnt outcrossed

Peace all

This is stupid how old are some of you posting here do you know what a public forum means by chance it means all are allowed to post and voice there opinions Herbalistic i was not a smart ass to you yet you are to my real mature man i expected better from you.

I am tierd of negative bull shit by people that think they have all the answers fact is not one of us do but some of us have been growing longer than some of you experts have been alive and regardless if your a newbie grower or an old grower respect is something each one needs to be given you cant then don't post in future.

 

[Guest]

Where did this negativity come from? I see nothing negative or disrespectful in anything Herbalistic or I posted.

Hempy, it would be easier to respect you if you weren't so touchy and grumpy, somehow you seem to manage to stir up a fair argument on a regular basis, it became tiresome a long time ago.

 

[DoubleJ]

This is stupid how old are some of you posting here do you know what a public forum means by chance it means all are allowed to post and voice there opinions Herbalistic i was not a smart ass to you yet you are to my real mature man i expected better from you.

I am tierd of negative bull shit by people that think they have all the answers fact is not one of us do but some of us have been growing longer than some of you experts have been alive and regardless if your a newbie grower or an old grower respect is something each one needs to be given you cant then don't post in future.

Brother, there really wasnt anything negative about that post, I honestly dont understand the hostility?

Lets stop spoiling the best thread on the site people...

 

[Elevator Man]

None of this is relevant at all. We all know what 'elites' are and are not, and there's been more than enough arguments about semantics in other threads. This one is about sativas...

 

[Guest]

clone game is just that a game. yes there are good cuts(good yields, nice growin, and a great smoke) but most that i have grown have piss poor yields. so called elites(no seed of um) seem to usually be poor plants.

as said by many, there are great plants and smoke in many many lines, just no hype. its a human condition, ya just gotta have what ya dont have, lol.

a sucka born every minute,hehe

 

[Herbalistic]

Im sorry you did understand my post in negative manner Hempy

I was just agreeing what you say... The "ugh Hempy has spoken" was just joke, trying to let you know you couldnt say it much better!

After all.. I think you steal somebodys work if you grow a seed from them and act after that like you have created it by yourself and dont give people the REAL information about the origins of the genetics

I really dont try to be smartass with you, no way man! I have great respect for what you are doing and have been doing for years

Once again, sorry if my previous post did mislead you into wrong direction...

Do me a favor, and stfu already. You try to come in and take the high ground in almost every thread I see you post in. Apparently, you're under the impression you're some kind of peace keeper or philosopher. I think you're just an annoying little shit personally.

Hempy basically a legend on these boards, and can definitely out grow every single one of you guys. So go ahead, and keep posting smart ass replys to him. When he hands you your asses, I will have a nice little laugh.

Fucking kids. No wonder all of the old members are nowhere to be seen on these forums.

Dont know what to do with you... I was trying to help you from not being banned because posting reputation comments, which you did take offensive

You talk lot abou tbeing a kid... Give negative rep etc... for not liking what I say! This only raises question who is the kid? Im not saying you are, but act like an adult, not like a kid in adults body :wink:

You were talking you dont wanna attack me publicly.. Well I dont care what you do! If you feel you have to do it / you feel im doing something bad for the community with positive thinking then go ahead!

Or better, put me on ignore like you did for British, this way you dont have to read my post´s!!

I havent seen any pics from you, just negative comments on different members! You are spreading this childliss anger among community, because yo udont like somebodys attitude, now that ´s what I call real & mature adult men!

K+ for being so entertaining! Yeah, go ahead and give me more negative rep, everytime you do so I give you + rep to grow up!

Btw, the hating post on British Hempire you posted couple days ago, but deleted it... Maybe just another adult act

Seriously, answer to your talk about who I think I am on these forums = no one!! I really dont consider myself as an expert with our belowed erb, just trying to learn from others and share that information + positive vibes!

My question for you is:

Who you think you are thinking you got the right diss everyone on these boards you dont like, or you think have assaulted you verbally?

Please answer me, it´s always nice to hear mature opinions from oldschool grower, who really seems to know everything

For all the real friends of our belowed erb!Im sorry for this incident... Im not going to continue this internet brawl anymore with this oldschool veteran outlawed, just because I respect other member + I feel this aint the right place to argue! We still should pull that same cannarope and not trying to tear it apart!

Seriously... What more can I say?????

 

[marijuanamat]

Come on people,sort this shit out somewere else,via PM or something and not in this thread and elite strains are over hyped if you ask me .

 

[Thule]

Bring on the sativas and stop this shit!!

 

[ElectroSticky]

outlawed

i only posted your PM couse you always like to engage on internet and always end-up like this...

please as Thule said

Bring on the sativas and stop this shit!!

Herb' ,,,
once i had an argument with him and after the 4th post he semed to understood and plainly stoped the preaching ,
you see he simply wont share his knowledge with us ,, becouse all of our buds are simply ,, amateur ,, HAHAHAHAH

you notice when he says

No wonder all of the old members are nowhere to be seen on these forums.

maybe they saw he was coming

PLEASE outlaw ,, ADD ME TO YOUR IGNORE LIST
I will be honored ,

PEACE

 

[JLP]

Enough already,keep it on topic.

JLP

 

[ElectroSticky]

I want to make 2 questions >>>

any info or pics on: edelweis

and

Wich of those packs has more sativas on them ...

as well as PICS from those paradise seeds ,, anyone ,, jejeje

any comments on my beans ,, much appreciated

 

[ElectroSticky]

what ,,, no comments ,, jejejejeejej