Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Elevator Man]

Bonecarver - that's pretty much what I was thinking - roibart. After a full day of smoking it, it's very impressive. It is actually more racy than the Thai, and gets quite psychedelic in larger doses.

I went to get some clones from my outdoor Flos today and had a big spliff at the site before I got started. By the time I'd finished, I was getting tiny bright specks in my vision, and halos around everything, and that weird feeling where you'd get the giggles if there were others around - on your own it's just an insane, wordless elation.

I think I'd be brave enough now to say this is easily as potent as any of the homegrown strains I've got access to.

 

[hardhat22]

For any in doubt, I'm using the bud on the left.
Good luck to anyone hunting for gold in the dirt!

Hey man,that has a good amount of trich coverage.Even the occasional 2 toke mexican we get doesn't have much in the way of trichs.How was it?
Peace

 

[motaco]

really? I wasn't going to say nothing but it didn't have half as much trichs as the schwag we get here. not that that is necessarily indicative of its potential, could've been low light grown or all kinda stuff.

 

[Herbalistic]

Thank you Elevator Man for sharing those imported buds & hash with us. We in Finland cannot enjoy such of imported gems. All we got is Moroccon hash, which is usually lowgrade, or good quality, but all kinds of shitty storage methods have decreased the quality much before it arrives us.

+ the geographical location, people in South- & Central Europe will pick all the quality stuff and send us all the stuff they dont like.

But to see that you get that kind of gems in Britain, which has recently come famous of glassweed & soaphash, has strenghten my beliefs, that it´s all about connection. I dont care if the general opinion in UK is that there is mostly glassweed or soapbar available commercially, but I know that people with right connections and attitude to demand good/highquality, even if it will cost more, will get those gems.

I think this is the main problem with all this shit storming UK. People keep buying shitty stuff because they got it for cheap. If they refuse to buy it, they would have better stuff to smoke generally. Yes, dealers & smugglers maybe keep pushing those shait´s for awhile, but after continous refusing of shitproducts, they just have to bring some better stuff to general of tokers!

Am I making any sense?

The same thing in Finland. Dealers often take shittyhashslaps for sale, because it´s only option & cheap option. If they would decline of shit, they would get better product. Only problem is that all the dealers & tokers should do this so it would come effect!!!

Damn, I cannot wait my Rooibart beans to arrive, so I can finally sample some of that erb, that I have continously kept hearing amazing things about!!!!! I dotn really have space for those at the moment, but I still have to start 4 -6 immediately. Maybe I finally try the 12/12 from seed thang.

BTW, Herbalistic harvested first 5 beans of my Neville´s Haze x Purp´s cross. I cannot wait to see the results of these beans!!!

+ I just had to order pack of those Gypsy´s Thaistick sativa beans! So, I would need space for those also, but the Rooibart comes first as my old keeper haze´s!!!

I hope everybody is having relaxing sunday with their lovedone´s

 

[bonecarver_OG]

hehe we down here in south (spain ) thought all the good import went up NORTH where people pay more for the smoke.

the truth is IT IS VERY VERY dificult to get good quality hash even down here..

makes me think someon pleaze should start bringing the wide variety of bud here - that i once had access to in south UK , wich was saturated with selection

But i know how FEW of the britts who REALLY are smoking this good stuff - a clear minority, most of the have never seen other things than SOAPbar.

UK has been heavy soap-bar smoking country for atleast 30 years, but at the same time there has been access to better import, atleast for a few.

the fact UK transit country also makes it better geographically. the sheer amount of travellers helps to bring in those thaisticks, african compressed bud, and even in my times, colombian, mexican, jamaican and what not! cant even count the numerous occasions when more rare (but usually lowgrade) varieties dropped in.

the fact in uk a soapbar was about 12 quid for 3,5 grams, and african weed was going for 40 pounds an ounce.. ppl started hopefully to catch on.

at the same time commercial indoor just kept rising up. (about 1998-2000) came huge batches from manchester etc but the prices of the indoor was outragous, often 560 qiud for a bar of indoor hydro (one bar - 250 grams) that usually was better than any dutch import..

What happend in UK is A LOT of people saw the possibility to make quik money and virtually to becomme rich in almost no time. so a lot of ppl went down to southafrica and started organizing bud and its routs to UK, lots of these ppl were lucky - some not (blessings to friends in jail )

the fact bud in south africa at that time went a kilo for 40 quid or something made the ppl rich selling the swchag in uk.

now if there Would be possible to with as little risk, the same profit and etc - im sure ppl will do it again.

anyway.. im now light-years away from that..

but i hope this explains a bit to you herbalistic

i used to live in sweden.. and i got to say the plain risk of jail and social hammering in scandinavia makes a lot of ppl think twice before they would start smuggling

in UK my friend got cought with 17 kilo of southafrican weed (stupid ****s hid it inside a hollowed out surfboard) and one went free and the other went to isle of Wigth..


anyway..

i understand if there is not access to these things up there - but what i dont understand is:

why the hell isnt there a good comercial market of bud in a place like spain!! we got the perfect climate!

darn it i guess om just rambling the situacion is getting wotrse by the year glad i can grow at least

peace all!

 

[Farmer John]

Hehe I used to sell a LOT of hash, good and bad, mostly it was this basic moroccan almost bubbly stuff...

Quality has gone downhill here lately, herbalistic might have noticed all that french paper that is known as "pl" here, the lowest grade of moroccan known with about 10% resin content, people get it so cheap that they dont think about buying good hash...oh well some do... damn if I had saved all the money I got from selling hash I mean damn, I have sold a lot and have nothing left except a happy feeling for not doing it anymore, and ythank god I didnt get caught, if those customs guys would have come a week earlier to our apartment a few years back I would not be sitting here writing this, had kilos of hash and personal smokes, herb mostly, that wuld have been a bad thing...but when they came I only had a few plants there and some trim I had just shaked for kif and smoked like 15mins before they rushed in, lol, life is good.

 

[Gert Lush]

but what i dont understand is:

why the hell isnt there a good comercial market of bud in a place like spain!! we got the perfect climate!

Now that's a damn good question!

Could it be that the growers of quality bud aren't that interested in the commercial side of things? And those interested in the commercial side don't really care about quality? Perhaps the connoisseurs have thir own resources and no-one else gives a damn (or knows any better).

Just speculating - your guess is as good as - no, better - than mine.

I suppose another factor is the market itself. If commercial crap sells for X, how much I my supposed to sell my lovingly grown and cured sativa bud for? Who'd buy it?

Hell, who'd sell it?

 

[Horus]

Sorry to jump around, but I wanted to comment on this, as I'm giving some a go.

I got a real nice batch from the same supplier(comes up from Ariz.) and just wanted to show some pics of the bud I saved some seeds from.

For any in doubt, I'm using the bud on the left.




Good luck to anyone hunting for gold in the dirt!

I gotta say that doesn't look like shwag at all to me. It looks like the "good" mexi brick, what we call mids. Mids will get you pretty damn high after 3 or 4 bowls, shwag you have to smoke like 2 or 3 joints to get high, and then the high lasts for 20 minutes followed by a horrible headache.

 

[Browser]

High All,

For browser: I must say that im not down because you didnt buy them beans. I have been wanting this swazi strain for a long time, because all the great things I constantly hear about it. 12 beans for 30 $ is not bad, even some of them dont germ, or what you think? Cool to hear that they manage well in northern latitudes, maybe I do some crosses with it and my unknown sativa af

Herbalistic. I'll glad you got the seeds after wating them for a long time and wish you the best with their germ, flowering and possible cross with a AF sativa (hint hint )

I hope to come accross these genes in the future, but the true is that there's a lot of selection Getting them sativa plants to grow and finish outdoor is another story tho. But with a bit of crossing and the right genes (AF, early/short flo) I think it's within reach

Elevator Man I'm SO very impressed by the quality and variety of import you get in the UK

I though the scene there was either soap or bixed... Then again, I've also heard about good Indian/Pakistani/Nepalese hash making it to the UK, but I haven't heard about it for awhile.

Commercial Morocan hash is what we get as imports on these sides. Every now and then a bit of high quality Morocan hash appears, but one must know the people. I haven't heard/seen much African imports (other than the hash) making it to my latitude, but after seeing what Elevator Man gets, has been thinking to go check the "African" side of town

And why do people keep bying crap? Maybe coz they don't know better and the only bad herb is they one they don't have

 

[bonecarver_OG]

many times ppl buy crap because, honestly - its just too darn difficult to find anything good

when i can only get bad hash and i got no bud left its time to bring out the BHO tubes and make jelly out of all then trim i saved up for a while

spain has small local comercial markets of bud, but the season is short, and usually ppl sell what they dont want to keep.. so that allready says a lot about the quality. honestly the only good bud i smoked grown in spain is from a handfull of growers i learned to know from OG back in the days.

when there is comercial bud, its often very leafy, stemmy and non resinous, or over-mature or mould damaged and or damaged by insect attacks. and it goes for from 1.8 euro a gram and up to about 3 euro max.

but its very dificult to even get to the bud without knowing the grower in person. ppl who can get their hands on it stock up for the coming year. so normally the bud gets sold by the kilo, for about 2000 euro for good bud - and that goes directly into ppls tupperware boxes and glas-jars.

but honestly ppl could do greehouse grows all year and sell top quality hydro - if they wanted to! and IF they knew to grow good bud!

too many here think to grow MJ is like growing potatoes... and those are usually the ppl selling the bud!

but seriously - latelly even the hash down here is mostly BAD.. and more than ever a reason to set up the grow big enough to suply ones needs.

Farmer John we all wonder where the money went once we setlle down and chill and look at things

 

[Herbalistic]

Hola!!

Interesting discussion about the commercial weed/hash situation in Europe!!!

Farmer John: I really hear you with those custom dude´s, I personally think that they are more pain in the ass than narcotic cops.

Bonecarver: I really have noticed that there is no quality hash here that is from Morocco, but very occasionally. And it´s almost everytime storaged bad, so it´s dry.. What I have notices, is that almost all quality roccon comes from people who smuggle it by themselfs. Farmer John said it right, that people are only interested about the price they buy their donkmanure/henna -slabs, not the quality.

I still cannot understand why Spain hasnt HUGE commercialproduction, with the same reasons in mind than you expressed in your post. With that climate -> it´s a shame!!!

All the quality hash I have come past here is almost every time from Afghanistan or Pakistan and it´s dark & fresh charas. This comes from Russia or Estonia, but all the lowquality roccon comes from South- / Central Europe.

Browser: Thanks for the tip, it is definitely putted under Herbalistic´s ear, so well see in spring

 

[Herbalistic]

Sorry for stealing all this space motaco, but I just had to share these pics from my current NH with you guys -> she is so yberultrasticky!!!

First some bodyshot´s of the lady before going into organs



And now we are talking businezz:









Please zoom the thumnails guys, because I havent learned how to show them in their natural size.

 

[motaco]

Oh no, hell thats what this thread is for. post away. EDIT: just check out this post. Now THAT is alot of space!

Thats a shame you guys don't have good bud in spain. Honestly that shatters my illusion I was under the impression there were alot of local growers selling sativas pretty cheap homegrown sativas; and that the indica option was quality import moroccan since it was so close. and that both were available.

well that'll teach me to listen to CC magazine. I guess as the old saying goes "things are tough all over" because belive me shit SUCKS in new orleans. (all of this assuming you are bottom of the barrel, not up the food chain of the dealing world) You got pretty shitty weed for about 60 bucks an ounce. Better shitty weed about 100-120 and ounce. its all from mexico. 95% of it. Sometimes caribbean but always bricked. Most of the time its smokable, a cigarrette size joint will get you pretty high alone, but its a decayed trichome high. Rarely does it really have that depth that fresh weed has. Only exception is right after harvest when its only a month old or so and shipped.

Then you got the crappiest indicas you've ever seen in your life. We jokingly call it "canada red" and it is 90% of the "kind bud" market. Its often not much more potent than good schwag, its just outdoor indicas schwag instead of sativa; but sometimes it is indoor. It's 270-300 and O. Super rare shipments of better beaster are available at the same price but they are a needle in the haystack but burns your throat horrible because of the warehouse hydro ferts; and they are only knockout indicas. There is more humboldty outdoor which is what I smoke most of the time which is decent, but not great by any means; interesting strains are less and less. Last few years they haven't been growing as much of the spicy sativa hybrid cali grass they are so famous for. Its this stupid damn snocap stuff, and purple indica. And they both suck. A true testament to how little people know because when they get it they are super impressed.

And last but not least IF you can find it. And no capitalization can express how truly I mean "IF" you can find it there is "homegrown" or "AAA+ headies" for 380-440 USD an ounce! And I buy it I ain't gonna lie. When you're used to growing the most exotic weed in the world and you're bumped back to a regular buyer you'll pay pretty much whatever they want. 20-25 bucks a gram for small bags.

And despite the fortune there is to be made nobody really grows weed here. Dumb, lazy, scared, whatever. These aren't mutually exclusive. It's still hard just to find the damn humboldt decent quality. Most people sell beaster because that is what is in abundance. It's super cheap in canada. (approximately 1/4 the price per pound). So smugglers just quadruple their money every run on this crappy weed.

And that pathetic situation is what passes for our cities elite pot smokers. The majority of the weed is from mexico. And is what most people smoke. Like I said you smoke one joint and you are mildly loaded. not happy or anything. Kinda the sensation you might have if you just took one shot of whiskey and sat in a room alone. If you smoke alot more you'll get really stupid (just a basic slower brain function) and sleepy. Thats about it.

We never see hash. I've seen it commercially imported (not from cali or canada) just a handful of times in my life. But I gotta admit I'm glad we don't have soapbar here. believe me people are stupid enough to smoke it. Most don't even know what hash is, or if its pot. They just know its something from movies that gets you loaded like herb.

I just think there is too many heads out there to supply the demand. Simple as that. Growing GOOD weed is hard. If you're growing hundreds or thousands of pounds of weed and are shipping it its going to go down in quality as you try to expand your yield. Too much for too few people to do.

So you see alot of guerilla weed, and barely tended outdoor. And crazy prices on mediocre weed. The sad fact is at least here not only are people happy to smoke mediocre weed at a crazy price, they are happy to smoke crappy weed. They are just happy to smoke ANY weed.

I just always use the emerald triangle as an optimum situation for what COULD happen. If every home or landowning smoker capable tried to grow 7-15 lbs per year it would be hard as hell to stop, and there would be alot of good cheap weed. And thats similiar to what happened in norcal. The lumber industry bottomed out and alot of people started growing 20-40 grand a year of pot. And now people go from all over the country there to bring back quality weed.

But that could happen anywhere. the south, appalachia, the midwest. etc. I'm sure you could apply it to whatever country you come from too.

 

[Farmer John]

That NH looks much nicer than the one we had Herb, a cut of that wouldnt be such a bad thing at all... I have that pure haze cut waiting for you here just say hep when you need it...

 

[Spangli]

Herbalistic that Neville's Haze is really inspiring!!
I have just germed one feminized NH bean from green house.Let' s give it a try
My question is : What do you use to feed the plant? 12 weeks of flowering is long enough to have MG deficiency and other sec elements.
Keep smilin'

Spangli

 

[Herbalistic]

Ok motaco, maybe I finally hear you about long post´s

Hey FJ: HEP HEP HEP

Your wishes are going to be granted. Alkuviikosta privaa.

Welcome to ICmag Spangli You are right about the defiencys. However, it depends so much of growing medium etc.. Check out Farmer John´s gallery, this is a guy who grows in soil and fert´s little and I have almost never seen any defiencys!

I grow in coco and handwater/feed. I use Bio Nova nutrients + amendments. This time the NH was pollinated with Purp´s pollen, but it seems that the pollen was weak (I let the purps male dry to death when rooting it, but managed to collect maleballs when it was under 24 H light) and didnt do the job. The whole plant is full of little white seeds, which have been in the same stage for ages. I would need some good calmag amendment that fit´s with coco!

I feeded her last week two times with PK 13+14 bomb´s and you can see the Phosphorous burned the tips. Now I flush her week with molassesmix and the 10 days strictly water, if she dont show signs of overripe before!

Try the phosphorous bomb trick in the last weeks before starting to flush, it really works brilliant and fatten up´s the buds even before molasses

 

[C21H30O2]

Ok motaco, maybe I finally hear you about long post´s

Hey FJ: HEP HEP HEP

Your wishes are going to be granted. Alkuviikosta privaa.

Welcome to ICmag Spangli You are right about the defiencys. However, it depends so much of growing medium etc.. Check out Farmer John´s gallery, this is a guy who grows in soil and fert´s little and I have almost never seen any defiencys!

I grow in coco and handwater/feed. I use Bio Nova nutrients + amendments. This time the NH was pollinated with Purp´s pollen, but it seems that the pollen was weak (I let the purps male dry to death when rooting it, but managed to collect maleballs when it was under 24 H light) and didnt do the job. The whole plant is full of little white seeds, which have been in the same stage for ages. I would need some good calmag amendment that fit´s with coco!

I feeded her last week two times with PK 13+14 bomb´s and you can see the Phosphorous burned the tips. Now I flush her week with molassesmix and the 10 days strictly water, if she dont show signs of overripe before!

Try the phosphorous bomb trick in the last weeks before starting to flush, it really works brilliant and fatten up´s the buds even before molasses

can you explain the phosphorus bomb idea. thanks.

 

[motaco]

lol. yeah it really is an accident. I don't mean to type things that long. All that typing was seriously less than 2 min. I didn't even notice.

good thing is thats what lets me put up large bodies of texts like in the grow thread be done in less than an hour.

 

[Spangli]

Ok motaco, maybe I finally hear you about long post´s

Hey FJ: HEP HEP HEP

Your wishes are going to be granted. Alkuviikosta privaa.

Welcome to ICmag Spangli You are right about the defiencys. However, it depends so much of growing medium etc.. Check out Farmer John´s gallery, this is a guy who grows in soil and fert´s little and I have almost never seen any defiencys!

I grow in coco and handwater/feed. I use Bio Nova nutrients + amendments. This time the NH was pollinated with Purp´s pollen, but it seems that the pollen was weak (I let the purps male dry to death when rooting it, but managed to collect maleballs when it was under 24 H light) and didnt do the job. The whole plant is full of little white seeds, which have been in the same stage for ages. I would need some good calmag amendment that fit´s with coco!

I feeded her last week two times with PK 13+14 bomb´s and you can see the Phosphorous burned the tips. Now I flush her week with molassesmix and the 10 days strictly water, if she dont show signs of overripe before!

Try the phosphorous bomb trick in the last weeks before starting to flush, it really works brilliant and fatten up´s the buds even before molasses

Thanks for the info Herbalistic
I'll give it a try when it is time.

Keep smilin'

Spangli

 

[Farmer John]

Hehe, I dont grow that much in soil anymore, only when I need to grow from seed or at the bigger farm, theres much more room for soilplants than at our house where theres only smaller plants and some mother and father material..the hazes I had this summer were done pretty much the old hippie way, enough of good soil and not much anything added, in the past when I used soil only (now it's hydro) I used to dig Biobizz nutes...but anyhoo, my idea of giving them no nutes is that it is my way of growing totally organic, if ya dont count that hps for sun. Plants dont yield as much when you dont give them nutes, just what they have in soil, been using chickenshit for some and always given seaweed but I really dont like to give anything to them, mu hydro plants get powerfeeding and there really is a huge difference in there but lets not start arguing about that thing now, I just try to say that my methods today arent excatly the best ones for growing in soil but can it get much more organic/natural when you dont give them anything extra, just water from the sky and some good black soil...no it cant..