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Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II
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100% caribbean ganja if you ask me... anyone else thinking about heirloom Punto Rojo Colombian or Panama Red here?:
Hola Mustafunk, yes your Jamaican's resemble Highland Colombians. CBG Punto Rojo has a phenotype similar to USC ColJam - Colombian Gold phenotype with sharp uplifting thin sharp leaves. Aromas of frankincense and spice very hazy. The Jamaican pictures you've shown in the recent post look very similar to ColJam. ColJam has phenotypes that are distinctly different from Colombian Gold.
Your Jamaican Blue Mountain and perhaps another one of your Jamaican plants had similar growth structure to the classic Highland Colombian Punto Rojo, dark green with some red and bigger floppy leaves and aromas of sweet tropical fruit. CBG Punto Rojo also has purple phenotypes like you've shown. I believe CBG's Punta Rosa selected both the male and female purple phenotypes of Panama and Colombia.
The Colombian high from the spice / frankincense is clear, intense and trippy, zero stone. The high from the sweet tropical fruit is feel good, blissful, and psychedelic, with a bit of stone. Both have an other worldly high and what I'd call trippy.
Punto Rojo - 2008 Highland Colombian - P1 / P2 Landrace, ~ 16 - 22 weeks flowering and
Punta Rosa - Panama Pelo Rosa x Colombian Punto Rojo P1/P2,~ 13 - 16 weeks
Pelo Rosa - [(1974 Panama x Panama Red Hair f2) x (Panama Red)]
Panama - [ (Panama sativa - green modern phenotype ) x Panama Red Hair
1970's Panama Red is a classic long flowering sativa, with a high that is distinctly different than 1970's Highland Colombian Punto Rojo.
1970's Highland Colombian Punto Rojo has a cleaner, energetic and cerebral high with very little stone.
1970's Panama Red has a stoney, psycedelic, wave-like body sensations, narcotic, and funny to the point of losing control.
1970's Colombian Red was lowland / jungle grown and had a narcotic high similar to 1970's Panama Red.
CBG Panama 10 - 11 weeks flowering. I've read smoke reports for CBG Panama that note the high as similar to a good indica or modern WLD / NLD hybrid.
Original tropical Panama and Colombians varieties need 4-5 months to flower and produce fluffy buds. Cannabiogen worked hard to reduce the size, flowering times, and increase yields, bud density and resin formation of the original panama lines in our hyrid. We adapted Panama to grow incolder environments with reduced light requirements.
There are lowland and highland varieties in Colombia and Panama. Colombian mountains have higher elevations and produced some of the classic 1970's Equatorial Highland South American sativas. For me, Punto Rojo represents the classic high of 1970's Highland Equatorial Sativa and Panama Red and Colombian Red represent the classic high of 1970's high of Lowland Equatorial South American sativas.
Many people associate the Colombian high with a stoney, psychedelic and narcotic high. 1970's Highland Colombian Gold high has the complete opposite high to the lowland grown Panama Red and Colombian Red.
PS> Referencing 1970's highs and 1970's cannabis varieties is of course a generalization.
Hola Mustafunk, yes your Jamaican's resemble Highland Colombians. CBG Punto Rojo has a phenotype similar to USC ColJam - Colombian Gold phenotype with sharp uplifting thin sharp leaves. Aromas of frankincense and spice very hazy. The Jamaican pictures you've shown in the recent post look very similar to ColJam. ColJam has phenotypes that are distinctly different from Colombian Gold.
Your Jamaican Blue Mountain and perhaps another one of your Jamaican plants had similar growth structure to the classic Highland Colombian Punto Rojo, dark green with some red and bigger floppy leaves and aromas of sweet tropical fruit. CBG Punto Rojo also has purple phenotypes like you've shown. I believe CBG's Punta Rosa selected both the male and female purple phenotypes of Panama and Colombia.
The Colombian high from the spice / frankincense is clear, intense and trippy, zero stone. The high from the sweet tropical fruit is feel good, blissful, and psychedelic, with a bit of stone. Both have an other worldly high and what I'd call trippy.
Punto Rojo - 2008 Highland Colombian - P1 / P2 Landrace, ~ 16 - 22 weeks flowering and
Punta Rosa - Panama Pelo Rosa x Colombian Punto Rojo P1/P2,~ 13 - 16 weeks
Pelo Rosa - [(1974 Panama x Panama Red Hair f2) x (Panama Red)]
Panama - [ (Panama sativa - green modern phenotype ) x Panama Red Hair
1970's Panama Red is a classic long flowering sativa, with a high that is distinctly different than 1970's Highland Colombian Punto Rojo.
1970's Highland Colombian Punto Rojo has a cleaner, energetic and cerebral high with very little stone.
1970's Panama Red has a stoney, psycedelic, wave-like body sensations, narcotic, and funny to the point of losing control.
1970's Colombian Red was lowland / jungle grown and had a narcotic high similar to 1970's Panama Red.
CBG Panama 10 - 11 weeks flowering. I've read smoke reports for CBG Panama that note the high as similar to a good indica or modern WLD / NLD hybrid.
Original tropical Panama and Colombians varieties need 4-5 months to flower and produce fluffy buds. Cannabiogen worked hard to reduce the size, flowering times, and increase yields, bud density and resin formation of the original panama lines in our hyrid. We adapted Panama to grow incolder environments with reduced light requirements.
There are lowland and highland varieties in Colombia and Panama. Colombian mountains have higher elevations and produced some of the classic 1970's Equatorial Highland South American sativas. For me, Punto Rojo represents the classic high of 1970's Highland Equatorial Sativa and Panama Red and Colombian Red represent the classic high of 1970's high of Lowland Equatorial South American sativas.
Many people associate the Colombian high with a stoney, psychedelic and narcotic high. 1970's Highland Colombian Gold high has the complete opposite high to the lowland grown Panama Red and Colombian Red.
PS> Referencing 1970's highs and 1970's cannabis varieties is of course a generalization.
Mustafunk,
Very nice job growing those Jamaican's. The pictures you took have me drooling. Exquisite! Love your descriptions of the aromas. Looking forward to your smoke report.
Hats off to you:
Satva - Can you compare/contrast the highs of the Colombian Gold leaning ColJam phenos with the Jamaican leaning ColJam phenos, if you noticed a trend in either?
Happy Holidays Everyone,
ThaiBliss
Very nice job growing those Jamaican's. The pictures you took have me drooling. Exquisite! Love your descriptions of the aromas. Looking forward to your smoke report.
Hats off to you:
Satva - Can you compare/contrast the highs of the Colombian Gold leaning ColJam phenos with the Jamaican leaning ColJam phenos, if you noticed a trend in either?
Happy Holidays Everyone,
ThaiBliss
Any updates on this lady?
Hola Mustafunk, is your 1970 Lambsbread, the same one used in the 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread used by USC, in ColJam?
All your Lambsbread plants look Colombian, in both vegetation structure and flowering structure, some resemble Punto Rojo bigger floppy leaves and very leafy sweet tropical fruit) and some resemble Colombian Gold, spicy frankincense, thinner sharper uplifting leaves. Great work!
Satva - Can you compare/contrast the highs of the Colombian Gold leaning ColJam phenos with the Jamaican leaning ColJam phenos, if you noticed a trend in either?
Greetings amigo ThaiBliss, I will compare the various ColJam highs in my current grow, Colombian Gold from the USC Lambsbread in my current grow ~Highland Colombian Gold f3. I've selected six phenotypes from Punto Rojo and ColJam, two are not speaking Spanish, and (for reference) are what I call, ~ "Are not" Highland Colombian
I have three female phenotypes of USC ColJam f3, one is Colombian Gold dominate and two are not.
The "Are Nots" phenotypes resemble your Jamaican Lambsbread males. One of the "Are Nots" has three and one finger leaves and not as NLD, with small internocal, but has good resin coverage from early vegetation. The other "Are Not" is more wispy with longer internodal spacing than "Old Timers Haze" or the Highland Colombians, asymmetrical growth.
Two Highland Colombians - Punto Rojo green #1) Sweet tropical Fruit, very leafy and
Punto Rojo gold / light green #2) Spicy / Frankincense, with a high similar to ColJam (Colombian Gold dominate)
My favorite for flowering structure is Punto Rojo f1/f2 x ColJam.
All your Lambsbread plants look Colombian, in both vegetation structure and flowering structure, some resemble Punto Rojo bigger floppy leaves and very leafy sweet tropical fruit) and some resemble Colombian Gold, spicy frankincense, thinner sharper uplifting leaves. Great work!
Satva - Can you compare/contrast the highs of the Colombian Gold leaning ColJam phenos with the Jamaican leaning ColJam phenos, if you noticed a trend in either?
Greetings amigo ThaiBliss, I will compare the various ColJam highs in my current grow, Colombian Gold from the USC Lambsbread in my current grow ~Highland Colombian Gold f3. I've selected six phenotypes from Punto Rojo and ColJam, two are not speaking Spanish, and (for reference) are what I call, ~ "Are not" Highland Colombian
I have three female phenotypes of USC ColJam f3, one is Colombian Gold dominate and two are not.
The "Are Nots" phenotypes resemble your Jamaican Lambsbread males. One of the "Are Nots" has three and one finger leaves and not as NLD, with small internocal, but has good resin coverage from early vegetation. The other "Are Not" is more wispy with longer internodal spacing than "Old Timers Haze" or the Highland Colombians, asymmetrical growth.
Two Highland Colombians - Punto Rojo green #1) Sweet tropical Fruit, very leafy and
Punto Rojo gold / light green #2) Spicy / Frankincense, with a high similar to ColJam (Colombian Gold dominate)
My favorite for flowering structure is Punto Rojo f1/f2 x ColJam.
Hey Satva, the CBG Panama fem I grew out 3 years ago took 18 weeks to finish flowering. It was like you stated for the "1970's Panama Red has a stoney, psycedelic, wave-like body sensations, narcotic, and funny to the point of losing control."
I have Ace's Breeder pack with 6 of the pure Panama red so I hope too see a big difference. My father noted that even though the CBG Panama high was almost as good as the 70's version it just wasn't bright red nor smelled the same. During his deployment he had a few people show him fields of full bright red Panama bud during flowering. I intend to pheno hunt until I find a similar version for him. Here's one of the photos of my CBG Panama I grew. Slight red with the hairs but almost all of the bud/leafs are still green. The entire plant should be pure red.
Before Harvest
I have Ace's Breeder pack with 6 of the pure Panama red so I hope too see a big difference. My father noted that even though the CBG Panama high was almost as good as the 70's version it just wasn't bright red nor smelled the same. During his deployment he had a few people show him fields of full bright red Panama bud during flowering. I intend to pheno hunt until I find a similar version for him. Here's one of the photos of my CBG Panama I grew. Slight red with the hairs but almost all of the bud/leafs are still green. The entire plant should be pure red.
Before Harvest
Yeah, the one and only Vibes Collective's Jamaican aka "Bushman's" Jamaican... same oldschool line. It's been preserved by several Vibes Co members since many years ago. I think it's a fantastic representation of an untamed old caribbean heirloom.
Rahan is still growing and preserving her at the moment, while I'm trying to focus myself on improving the line a bit and some upcoming projects. After so much inbreeding and years of open-pollinations I think it's time for some refining and testing in order to avoid the line to loose its magic character and NLD quality, as well as improve potency, sex firmness, terpene density and manageability.
Props to Bushman for sharing out those seeds with the right people and old members Upok, GrowDan and Rahan for preserving them of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7wDtljHxuA
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Peace.
Beautifull girls there, VermontMan !
They really have the look of something special going on
They really have the look of something special going on
Hey Dr. King, if you're fond of the 1970's Panama Red high. There are also "Entire Plant Red" phenotypes in CBG Punto Rojo. I like the high of South American Golds, but someone should preserve the South/Central/North American Reds. The Highland Red / Purple Mexicans are very rare. I assume today's Reds have a different high than the Golds, they did in the 1970's. I'd guess Mustafunk's 1970's Lambsbread is a connoisseur South/Central American Purple. I've posted this around, in case you haven't seen this post.
Old names like Zihuatanejo don't mean much anymore. I'd try and identify the growth characteristics of Zijuatanejo Purple and look for the same growth characteristics in other varieties. Here's my Zijuantanejo rant.
Maroon varieties like Zacatecas Purple often have a spiritual high. Nothing wrong with that! In Big Sur Holy Weed the Holy part comes from a Purple Mexican sativa like Zacatecas Purple or maybe Zihuatanejo Purple. The Highland Mexican Purples could be kissing cousins of the Highland Colombian Purples, Colombian Mangobiche, Purple phenotypes in Old Timer's Haze, or even Panama Red.
Big Sur Holy Weed = [Zacatecas Purple x Afganistan]
Maroon cannabis pictures from others, and an excerpt from a Snowhigh post at Cannabiogen Club
Zihuatanejo Purple, perhaps photoshopped a bit. (not by me)
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
excerpt from a Snowhigh post
"I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet."
Old names like Zihuatanejo don't mean much anymore. I'd try and identify the growth characteristics of Zijuatanejo Purple and look for the same growth characteristics in other varieties. Here's my Zijuantanejo rant.
Maroon varieties like Zacatecas Purple often have a spiritual high. Nothing wrong with that! In Big Sur Holy Weed the Holy part comes from a Purple Mexican sativa like Zacatecas Purple or maybe Zihuatanejo Purple. The Highland Mexican Purples could be kissing cousins of the Highland Colombian Purples, Colombian Mangobiche, Purple phenotypes in Old Timer's Haze, or even Panama Red.
Big Sur Holy Weed = [Zacatecas Purple x Afganistan]
Maroon cannabis pictures from others, and an excerpt from a Snowhigh post at Cannabiogen Club
Zihuatanejo Purple, perhaps photoshopped a bit. (not by me)
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
Punto Rojo grown by others from Cannabiogen Club
excerpt from a Snowhigh post
"I hope that the Mexican cultivars of old will return again. So much was lost, many family generations of growing family cannabis lines. I believe a lot of the mythical cannabis lines like Haze were comprised of mainly Mexican lines. Like the Purple Haze phenos, well it could be Colombian purple phenos but from my research and talking to people in the know. Some of the Purple phenos in say Old Timers Haze I believe is actually genetics from Zihuatanejo Purple which seeds were brought to the areas around the Big Sur Mountains which is below Santa Cruz down the coast of California.
Coincidentally the strain called Big Sur Holy Weed had Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet in its genetics. So the Delores Purple could have also been what people were calling now, Zacatecas Purple or Torreon Violet."
In Astur Jaya Mexicana you can find a black stem pheno if the company still exists.
Keep on growing
Keep on growing
A Malawi male used for breeding with a blackberry clone.
JACKBAYBEH
Active member
Great pics Satva!
I bet that Punto Rojo/ColJam is bad ass.
I bet that Punto Rojo/ColJam is bad ass.
How about mine?
P
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Hola
Here is a Lambsbread (Bushman's) and a leaf.
Grown in a greenhouse, latitude 48°N
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Great thread, thanks!
stunning colour
