It was excellent. It was tasty, potent, pungent, pretty, purple and no ceilling. I hate that I didnt get more before they disappeared
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Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II
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It was excellent. It was tasty, potent, pungent, pretty, purple and no ceilling. I hate that I didnt get more before they disappeared
OHz x Sk#1.
Keep on growing
Keep on growing
Well i think this one will be finished somewhere in February
Keep on growing
Keep on growing
I know it's not polite or wise to be jealous of someone's possessions, wife, girl friend, to compare one's growing skill and great luck in getting that one in a million fem seed for the first time.
However, if lust for that gal is a sin, then I plead really really guilty as charged. I'm only human.
However, if lust for that gal is a sin, then I plead really really guilty as charged. I'm only human.
re: Indoor lighting for pure Sativa.
1) Have read in the past that the blue spectrum is best for Sativa. Does this make any sense? To use MH for the full grow, start to harvest?
What lights for indoor growers are u using?
Is 2000-----1000 MH and 1000 HPS a best or not so great source of light? Heat very well contained now that the tent room is at 65 degrees 24/7.
2) How do you all humidify in tents? I can't get much over 40% during 11 hrs on 13 off with my little Kenmore humidifier.
1) Have read in the past that the blue spectrum is best for Sativa. Does this make any sense? To use MH for the full grow, start to harvest?
What lights for indoor growers are u using?
Is 2000-----1000 MH and 1000 HPS a best or not so great source of light? Heat very well contained now that the tent room is at 65 degrees 24/7.
2) How do you all humidify in tents? I can't get much over 40% during 11 hrs on 13 off with my little Kenmore humidifier.
Mystic Funk
Well-known member
Dj short has talked about light spectrums for sativas I think he would mix hps and mh lights together he would also mimic the suns arc in tropical areas. He would also use the 11 on 13 off light cycle, He said sativas would express new phenotypes you would never get from the normal 12/12 cycle.
what I like to do is look up the climate where your plants come from and mimic that the best you can.
try and look up some of dj's articles, there's great info for sativas in there.
peace!
-mystic
Mystic Funk
Well-known member
Here's a dj short article I found on this.
Hope this answers your questions.
DJ Short - photoperiod and the angle of light
After many years of first-hand experience breeding herb indoors as well as outdoors, I am of the opinion that the two most influential factors involving phenotypic variation and expression among current indoor herb breeding projects are the photoperiod (hours of light per day) and the angle of light in relationship to the growing plant.
Specifically, I find the single most powerful influence to the Indica dominant phenotype is the traditional 18/6 veggie cycle and 12/12 flowering cycle. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 flower cycle is an attempt, however poor, to mimic the Indica-producing photoperiod. It is my belief that this light cycle strongly influences for Indica phenotypic expression.
Sativa phenotype characteristics will manifest under a more equatorial photoperiod, closer to a 13/11 veggie cycle and an 11/13 flower cycle. This is the light timing range to use to elicit more Sativa dominant expression from your plants.
As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret. My advice is to experiment with different photoperiods, keep good notes and pay attention. Avoid the 18/6 and 12/12 photoperiods, while tweaking the times a bit differently with each breeding cycle until more desirable results in the finished product and their offspring are noted. Here's a hint: work in half-hour increments or a little less, and good luck!
Angle of light simply refers to the physical angle of light source the plant is dependent upon for growth. Perhaps the greatest difference between indoor and outdoor environments has to do with the angle of light received by the plant. This is also one of the greatest seasonal differences between the Sativa and Indica producing regions.
Outdoors, the main light source is the Sun, with minor influence coming from nearby reflective surfaces. As a plant grows taller and broader outdoors, that angle of light from the sun changes very little in relationship to the growing plant.
Seasonal changes in angle of light increase the further away from the equator one gets. At the equator there is the least amount of seasonal change in angle of light, only about 20°, whereas at the 45th parallel that change is as great as 45°. At the 45th latitude, the Summer Sun is high in the sky while during early Spring and late Fall the sunlight comes from much lower in the sky. The farther one goes from the equator, the greater the difference in seasonal changes regarding angle of light.
Indoors, the lights typically range from a few inches to several feet from the plant. As the plant grows taller, its physical relationship to the bulb's angle of light changes considerably. Most indoor grow rooms have relatively low ceilings, therefore, raising the bulbs may maintain a similar angle of light early on, but eventually the angle changes. The same differences may be noted among plants directly below the bulb and the plants off to the side of the room farther away from the bulb.
Circular light shuttles tend to emulate the arctic summer and create a confusing signal completely unknown to the equatorial Sativa. Straight-track overhead light shuttles are more conducive to inducing the Sativa phenotype.
Many indoor growers try to get their budding plants as close to the light source as possible. Though this may increase bulk production of both bud and trichome, I find that this practice tends to destroy many of the finer aromatic qualities of the herb.
Buds too close to the light tend to express nothing beyond the lower lemon/lime aromas of the fruity spectrum. Sometimes the aroma is no better than a strong chemical/astringent odor and flavor, especially those under High Pressure Sodium light systems. The finer berry flavors tend to favor more distance from the bulb, and will manifest more strongly under High Ultraviolet Metal Halide light systems, especially during the latter stages of flowering.
Something akin to a gymnasium building with high ceilings and super 5000W lights hung far from the growing plants, set at a Sativa-tweaked photoperiod, would be the ultimate indoor grow-op to coax Sativa phenotypes.
Sweet spot fantasy
Nothing will ever rival the great outdoor sweet spots for quality cannabis production. Hopefully, someday, somewhere, someone will be daring and lucky enough to get away with re-establishing some of the great genetic lines in their specific region of origin sweet spots.
Equatorial Sativa varieties are of interest for quality herb production (Thailand, Oaxaca, Colombia, Central Africa, etc.) as the Indica zones are more renowned for hashish production. Parts of Nepal tend to produce both excellent hashish and fine Sativa buds, with some plants reportedly living longer than two years!
I hope that I am able to live long enough to once again experience the joy associated with the fine herbal products from the great regional sweet spots of near ancient lore. It has been a long time and I am looking forward to the day.
Hope this answers your questions.
DJ Short - photoperiod and the angle of light
After many years of first-hand experience breeding herb indoors as well as outdoors, I am of the opinion that the two most influential factors involving phenotypic variation and expression among current indoor herb breeding projects are the photoperiod (hours of light per day) and the angle of light in relationship to the growing plant.
Specifically, I find the single most powerful influence to the Indica dominant phenotype is the traditional 18/6 veggie cycle and 12/12 flowering cycle. The 18/6 veggie and 12/12 flower cycle is an attempt, however poor, to mimic the Indica-producing photoperiod. It is my belief that this light cycle strongly influences for Indica phenotypic expression.
Sativa phenotype characteristics will manifest under a more equatorial photoperiod, closer to a 13/11 veggie cycle and an 11/13 flower cycle. This is the light timing range to use to elicit more Sativa dominant expression from your plants.
As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret. My advice is to experiment with different photoperiods, keep good notes and pay attention. Avoid the 18/6 and 12/12 photoperiods, while tweaking the times a bit differently with each breeding cycle until more desirable results in the finished product and their offspring are noted. Here's a hint: work in half-hour increments or a little less, and good luck!
Angle of light simply refers to the physical angle of light source the plant is dependent upon for growth. Perhaps the greatest difference between indoor and outdoor environments has to do with the angle of light received by the plant. This is also one of the greatest seasonal differences between the Sativa and Indica producing regions.
Outdoors, the main light source is the Sun, with minor influence coming from nearby reflective surfaces. As a plant grows taller and broader outdoors, that angle of light from the sun changes very little in relationship to the growing plant.
Seasonal changes in angle of light increase the further away from the equator one gets. At the equator there is the least amount of seasonal change in angle of light, only about 20°, whereas at the 45th parallel that change is as great as 45°. At the 45th latitude, the Summer Sun is high in the sky while during early Spring and late Fall the sunlight comes from much lower in the sky. The farther one goes from the equator, the greater the difference in seasonal changes regarding angle of light.
Indoors, the lights typically range from a few inches to several feet from the plant. As the plant grows taller, its physical relationship to the bulb's angle of light changes considerably. Most indoor grow rooms have relatively low ceilings, therefore, raising the bulbs may maintain a similar angle of light early on, but eventually the angle changes. The same differences may be noted among plants directly below the bulb and the plants off to the side of the room farther away from the bulb.
Circular light shuttles tend to emulate the arctic summer and create a confusing signal completely unknown to the equatorial Sativa. Straight-track overhead light shuttles are more conducive to inducing the Sativa phenotype.
Many indoor growers try to get their budding plants as close to the light source as possible. Though this may increase bulk production of both bud and trichome, I find that this practice tends to destroy many of the finer aromatic qualities of the herb.
Buds too close to the light tend to express nothing beyond the lower lemon/lime aromas of the fruity spectrum. Sometimes the aroma is no better than a strong chemical/astringent odor and flavor, especially those under High Pressure Sodium light systems. The finer berry flavors tend to favor more distance from the bulb, and will manifest more strongly under High Ultraviolet Metal Halide light systems, especially during the latter stages of flowering.
Something akin to a gymnasium building with high ceilings and super 5000W lights hung far from the growing plants, set at a Sativa-tweaked photoperiod, would be the ultimate indoor grow-op to coax Sativa phenotypes.
Sweet spot fantasy
Nothing will ever rival the great outdoor sweet spots for quality cannabis production. Hopefully, someday, somewhere, someone will be daring and lucky enough to get away with re-establishing some of the great genetic lines in their specific region of origin sweet spots.
Equatorial Sativa varieties are of interest for quality herb production (Thailand, Oaxaca, Colombia, Central Africa, etc.) as the Indica zones are more renowned for hashish production. Parts of Nepal tend to produce both excellent hashish and fine Sativa buds, with some plants reportedly living longer than two years!
I hope that I am able to live long enough to once again experience the joy associated with the fine herbal products from the great regional sweet spots of near ancient lore. It has been a long time and I am looking forward to the day.
Mystic Funk
Well-known member
Here's some vintage Mexican I just popped.
I'm hoping to find some good ones in the 1000's of seeds i'm going through.
if you haven't seen it here's the thread about how i'm doing it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=334985
peace!
-mystic
I'm hoping to find some good ones in the 1000's of seeds i'm going through.
if you haven't seen it here's the thread about how i'm doing it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=334985
peace!
-mystic
These have turned from purple to red. Hairs turning rust probably gives to the overall burgundy appearance. This is the best looking out of 6 similar plants.
I had initially pushed hard on the N and burned them but that was about 4 weeks ago. They are recovering nicely. They really don't eat like OG types so that was the initial problem.
Going steady. apprx 8 weeks flowering. No more new hairs growing and it seems to have frozen in growth. Ill wait to week 10 before thinking of cutting. Trichomes are 10% milky and 90% clear.
This is a comparison with a regular green Indica flower of an unknown lineage.
I had initially pushed hard on the N and burned them but that was about 4 weeks ago. They are recovering nicely. They really don't eat like OG types so that was the initial problem.
Going steady. apprx 8 weeks flowering. No more new hairs growing and it seems to have frozen in growth. Ill wait to week 10 before thinking of cutting. Trichomes are 10% milky and 90% clear.
This is a comparison with a regular green Indica flower of an unknown lineage.
Some Jamaican Lambsbreads from the current selection coping with the cold outdoors, only a few remained from the initial dozens after ditching males, intersex and undesirable plants. Still a long time to go yet... Xmas buds? Oh yes.
Lots of purple/blue/magenta hues already appearing, giving them that caribbean look:
Lots of purple/blue/magenta hues already appearing, giving them that caribbean look:
Nice lambsbreads Mustafunk. Beautiful calyxes.
Oldtimers Haze #5 my frankincense keeper
I hadn't seen any color change from light green on her until now. Going through around 43F/6C temps outside brought out a blueish violet color with purple tips that doesn't translate too well in pics.
Oldtimers Haze #5 my frankincense keeper
I hadn't seen any color change from light green on her until now. Going through around 43F/6C temps outside brought out a blueish violet color with purple tips that doesn't translate too well in pics.
Thanks. Here's what I wrote about her indoors under LED with a moderate/heavy tolerance at the time:
I later came to realize the visual effect reminded me of looking through one of these toys from the 80s:
I've nicknamed her viewmaster The visual effect is greatly enhanced when you're outside. No ceiling whatsoever from my experiences--including high tolerance.
Outdoors the smell is similar, but spicier with stronger fresh cracked pepper tones.
I later came to realize the visual effect reminded me of looking through one of these toys from the 80s:
I've nicknamed her viewmaster
The visual effect is greatly enhanced when you're outside. No ceiling whatsoever from my experiences--including high tolerance. Outdoors the smell is similar, but spicier with stronger fresh cracked pepper tones.
Thanks. Here's what I wrote about her indoors under LED with a moderate/heavy tolerance at the time:
View Image
I later came to realize the visual effect reminded me of looking through one of these toys from the 80s:
View Image
I've nicknamed her viewmaster
Outdoors the smell is similar, but spicier with stronger fresh cracked pepper tones.
Looks and sounds awesome. Paging bigherb...
Sooooo epic
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