Reasons why dry sifted resin is the best!

[Sam_Skunkman]

You observed loss of terpenes in IWE compared with dry sift. This effect is more noticeable in the water cure when after prolonged soaking in water completely disappear all the characteristic odors.

Some claim that the cuticle of the gland is waterproof and water can wash the gland only on the outside but can not wash anything from inside the secretory cavity and its resinous content has not changed after washing.

Well for sure terpenes are being lost via osmosis, or just volatilizing, or from water solubility, from water sifted resin. I do not know the exact mechanism but it is easy to see it has happened, anyone that has worked with both methods with the same variety will know the difference.

If this is true, then washed off flavors were outside the gland and were soluble in water.
Mechanically, dry sift and IWE consist of the heads with the same content, then the aromatic water-soluble material is located on the outer surface of the cuticles of dry sift.

If you examine resin closely it often has splits in the resin, I am not so sure about if it matters as all resin that is water sifted has to be dried because water has gotten into the resin heads that is why you can't just dry off the outsides of the resin you also have to allow the trapped water or moisture to escape and the resin to fully dry. I do not know if it enters through the wax or through the point where the resin breaks off the stem, either way resin in water retains moisture, for sure.
It is like really really fresh resin that is so tepene rich and still having a high moisture content is hard to work with and needs to be dried more to make resin sifting easier and the resin safe to store.
I think all the terpenes are made inside the trichome heads, but they can leak.
-SamS

Are they the same modulators of THC as terpenes in the resin in the gland, or is it just decorative and useless component? What are they called?

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[jump117]

I think all the terpenes are made inside the trichome heads, but they can leak.
-SamS

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[EsterEssence]

Well reading all this I have to say I have never had any of mine tested, I go by the first 50% I saw in AMS in the early 90's. I have only sifted in 3 countries, have done my fair share of sifting with the only test done is the visual,smell, and, pipe test. I want to thank Eldon for giving me a place to stay in KTM, and Sam's research which has allowed me to become a hash maker... And of course a certain plant...

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Even a jewelers loup should have been available back then yeah?

You never experimented with those even? Kinda surprised.

Anywho.. I know i'm funny haha.. and I know you're after the science.. but in the end, the resin heads are what we are after.. and under the scope, even though I know you give me crap about 'purity', it's what we are really after.

THC is only produced inside the gland.. if you can isolate those glands by themselves, you will have a good product.

Obviously some better than others based on the grower/terpene content etc.. but pure is pure in the end *to a point*.

Nope not even a jeweler loupe, I have never been around people for whom the pleasure of the eyes come before smell and taste.

 

[EsterEssence]

Here is a piece that was made in dec '13 resin was aged 4 months before tumbling, pressed the day it was separated and now aged 6 months. It was shinny when i pressed it now it is dull and the texture has changed, it is very crumbly. If you scratch the side it is white inside and as soon as the flame touches it it melts vigorously.It needless to say is very good...

 

[BagAppeal]

Wow! Great read!

I have some questions.
First, what is the recommended humidity in a room for storing material that is waiting to be dry sifted, if material is kept inside a card board box?
What would be recommended to do with the material left over, after the glands have been separated, is it trash, or can it be used for edibles or other products, say lotion?
The reason I ask this is, If I were to make dry sift, instead of say BHO, will there be any thing worth to work with after the sift, or will it all be gone(pretty much) like when making BHO?
Or to phrase it another way, what yields can be achieved from dry sift versus BHO, and how much waste is there left after, for each method?


All the best

BagAppeal

 

[EsterEssence]

I store the trim in a tinder dry state and hopefully cold this year the winter was warm. I tumble it 3 different times,2-3 minutes for #1 5-7 for #2 and 30 for kief for a friend to make oil for cancer patients. People have tried to make things from what was left but after a 40 min total tumble there isn't much left in it.. Yield some where around 1to 2% total raw material tumble weight.

 

[BagAppeal]

Is that yield in raw material leaf, trim or from buds?

All the best

BagAppeal

 

[EsterEssence]

Yes, all of the above...

 

[tropicannayeah]

I agree we should learn more about the traditional ways of processing and storing dry sifted resin.....I would guess that the traditional methods of sifting/long storage/pressing would be the best way to get the maximum taste and potency from "farmer's grade" sift (dry sift made with maximum quantity/profit in mind) ..compared to the same quality dry sift that was left unpressed.

but very pure dry sift is definitely better enjoyed unpressed, un-ruptured and unspoiled. ..and it burns more evenly, it seems to go further and burns cooler.

 

[EsterEssence]

I have been making 99.999% dry sift for 25 years and prefer to press it myself...

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

I agree we should learn more about the traditional ways of processing and storing dry sifted resin.....I would guess that the traditional methods of sifting/long storage/pressing would be the best way to get the maximum taste and potency from "farmer's grade" sift (dry sift made with maximum quantity/profit in mind) ..compared to the same quality dry sift that was left unpressed.

but very pure dry sift is definitely better enjoyed unpressed, un-ruptured and unspoiled. ..and it burns more evenly, it seems to go further and burns cooler.

So pressing low grade resin would be the best way to get the maximum taste and potency but it would not work with quality resin???? I would love to know the logic behind such a claim.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Simple, it is not better for any reason besides personal taste preferences, the way it looks, and ease of transport, and traditional storage with out modern frozen cold storage. Low grade or high grade....
You can press it if you prefer it that way, but to claim pressed is superior, that is something else.
I say more terpenes is better, pressed has less terpenes. How can it be better? Preferred yes, I believe you do prefer it pressed.
-SamS

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Simple, it is not better for any reason besides personal taste preferences, the way it looks, and ease of transport, and traditional storage with out modern frozen cold storage. Low grade or high grade....
You can press it if you prefer it that way, but to claim pressed is superior, that is something else.
I say more terpenes is better, pressed has less terpenes. How can it be better? Preferred yes, I believe you do prefer it pressed.
-SamS

We agree on that, more terpenes is better. If you think that resin has been pressed only for ease of transport, and traditional storage with out modern frozen cold storage you are really missing the point totally I am afraid.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

We agree on that, more terpenes is better. If you think that resin has been pressed only for ease of transport, and traditional storage with out modern frozen cold storage you are really missing the point totally I am afraid.

No I am not, taste is also what many press hash for, I just prefer the more terpene rich unpressed resin taste, just as I prefer un-pollinated resin, and shade dried plants resin, none of which the traditional sifted hash cultures use. It is because they preferred terpene poor hash for taste and because they think unpressed resin hash or terpene rich sinsi resin makes you crazy, maybe you also think this? You have heard this yes?
It is traditional thinking, like seeded plants to make hash from, like drying the plants in the sun, like pressing resin before they smoke it.
If it is just for taste, I am never going to tell you what tastes best to you. Any other reason I might have a few comments.... I understand that you think a press and cure changes the hash for the better, I don't, that simple.
When you say I am missing the point what is the point? Do you have any proof beside hearsay? To be honest I think you have no idea if pressing makes any improvement other then the ones I mentioned, you just feel it does, and now you are trying to rationalize or prove your feelings, just be honest.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

We agree on that, more terpenes is better. If you think that resin has been pressed only for ease of transport, and traditional storage with out modern frozen cold storage you are really missing the point totally I am afraid.

Do you agree that pressing resin reduces terpenes?
Do you agree sun drying plants reduces terpenes?
Do you agree seeding plants reduces terpenes?
-SamS

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Do you agree that pressing resin reduces terpenes?
Do you agree sun drying plants reduces terpenes?
Do you agree seeding plants reduces terpenes?
-SamS

No I do not agree that pressing reduce terpenes.
No I do not agree that plants dried in the sun for the first few days have loss of terpenes, on the other hand they are polymerizing/binding together as happen during cure, is it a loss or a transformation? It must also be a nice beginning of decarboxylation.
I have yet to find a traditional technique that is meaningless.
No I do not agree that seeded plants have less terpene.
I do not agree simply because it has never been proven but if you have scientific back up I would love to check it up

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No I do not agree that pressing reduce terpenes.
No I do not agree that plants dried in the sun for the first few days have loss of terpenes, on the other hand they are polymerizing/binding together as happen during cure, is it a loss or a transformation?

It must also be a nice beginning of decarboxylation.

Wrong, pressing with heat does though.
-SamS

I have yet to find a traditional technique that is meaningless.
No I do not agree that seeded plants have less terpene.

They do by 50% this is 16 year old information. http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/jiha5107.html

I do not agree simply because it has never been proven but if you have scientific back up I would love to check it up

Do you also believe un-pressed resin makes you crazy as most traditional dry sifters do?
-SamS

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

By the way Terpenes are NOT made in the resin heads, please check article written by your friends

THC (TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL) ACCUMULATION IN GLANDS OF CANNABIS (CANNABACEAE)

Paul G. Mahlberg and Eun Soo Kim, Department of Biology, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN USA; and Department of Biology, Konkuk University, Seoul, Korea

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Do you also believe un-pressed resin makes you crazy as most traditional dry sifters do?
-SamS

No I don't, all of you are smoking it un-press so I should ask you the question in fact: are you?