question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[bigherb]

@bigherb

Nachilloo used to post in a thread of mine
Here's one of his pics...Punto Rojo

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Nachillo told me 7 Punto Rojo dad's were selected of 50

I was recently told Nachillo was female

Sadly Nachillo stopped posting , Punto Rojo Genetics were contributed to Charlie Garcia Work with Punto Rojo from Nachillo . If i recall i believe it was from Tolima or Santa marta

I was told I could find Frankincense in this Line , you know very well how I feel about that ️


1luvbigherb

Godspeed on your pollination

Since you asked for input.
I find it difficult to do a proper open pollination flowering males and females together.
Often, early males dominate the whole project.
What I prefer to do is to flower the males first, collect the pollen, then flower the females and paintbrush on the pollen to each branch of the female. This guarantees you know the father of each seed you make.

I like to let the females hit about 5 weeks of flower to pollinate them. This allows for the most seeds to be produced.
Then I let the seeds develop for 5+ weeks. There's no issue taking an 8 week plant to 11+ weeks to let seeds mature.

You can also use Ag30 bags to cover your females to better time and open pollination when you can't separate the males from females.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences and insight . Especially regarding times and stages

You've sparked my brain

I think I'll take the 1 earlier male out as he matures to collect and hand pollinate. I dont want excess of the early male offspring is my thought

I've hand pollinated before with specific pairings in mind . Also because it was necessary to isolate the male from the crop because full pollination wasnt the goal


I like the thought of 1:1 pollination because there are many traits i don't desire or wish to breed for. Some things I'd like to see direct with specific parents carrying desired traits

I don't want early Hazes in my selections . I don't want sweet in my skunk hybrids, why would I open pollinate to preserve something I dont desire .

I understand preserving soo that is this attempt, lame considering the count but Unique considering status of current Culture and Cookie monsters

You see my love for Haze from Outdoors in NYC Noreaster to a 5x5 tent stacked to the Max . One life to live, to Create or find your Grail

I've also done my first reversal last summer season Lotta hybrids I successfully created.

I've made my first Haze hybrid hitting my Original Haze #9 with a heavy hitting BLD Sk/Puck and my second Haze pairing was the Red Gold extreme NLD oldschool Lumbo reunion was the idea

I also did a Pnw Hp backcross of sorts with a hint of Tk , she makes everything better except Haze . I Reversed the Pnw Hp x Tk via Csi humboldt and hit a selected Skunk / Puck #15 . Mom is no longer with us but 2 bigger sisters are . This variety was as tasty outdoors as it was indoors

This variety seeded outdoors was delicious

I did some other pairings and reversals
We have a chem91 S1 I pollinated with the Skunk puck . I think medicine will be found

Pop seeds

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

This is some of the reversals Chem91 and PnwHp x Tk aswell as indoor outdoor Skunk x Puck #15 n other phenos

A nug of Hp x Tk and Suck #13

Haze is my Heart but I also love Oldschool BLD Affie Hashplants Hindu Kushes
I dont prefer sweet types My style is Funk nasty skunky Darker profiles of cannabis

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Firstly

My Red Gold Update

Everything in the Flower tent was chopped I started a new Run I wasn't happy with the size of plants. It seems i flowered to early and topping wasn't beneficial .

I prefer to start over than waste 6 months or so not getting the most potential of the genetics



Soo my wheels are spinning with each moment of experience

The pollination tent update week 4

The Red Gold males and

Original Haze #4 was flowered 1 week after the Red Gold but is barely showing sex

Is this result of Bld contamination in the Bsc colombian Gold or the evolution of the genetics through years of contamination etc

My thoughts if @MadMac Original Haze reproduction used Sams Genetics from 1976 and this Punto rojo was collected in mid 2000's I have no idea of the Year stock.was collected that Nachilloo used

Then the Brazilian seed co Colombian Gold collected in mid 2000's there is much time that hybrids could have been introduced in Colombia and contamination of the NLD

Also curious for opinions

I found one Red Gold male that threw a pistil he was chopped At first sight . Is this a sign of older unworked landrace or inferior genetics ?

Some pics below of the op

open pollination

There is a red gold # 4 my longer flowering Female that is few weeks older . I have snuggled up to my late RedGold #6 male

I have noticed purple striping on Red Gold male #2 i like her structure . Male #6 i like the spacing of nodes and formation of Pollen sacs

1luvbigherb

 

[Raco]

I was recently told Nachillo was female

Someone lied to you...he's a man

 

[bigherb]

Someone lied to you...he's a man

I found the quote , I'm a little Crazy but I didn't imagine this

If Nachillo is a friend, please send my Love

Quoted from here AT ICMAG

I tried to source BSC genetics with no luck, and have heard great things about the old BSC line of Colombians. That CBG PR x BSC CG sounds like my cup of tea...how was it? BTW, I think Charlie Garcia referred to Nachillo as a she, but that was before people got hung up on pronouns.


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Red Gold pollination

Males were removed last night . Plants look fully pollinated

Another thought through this experience, maybe my opinion changes after maturation. I think.ill flower females 3-4 weeks ahead of Males in the future

Few pics of males days prior to removal . One picture of the pollinated Females I'm still training during stretch

I collected pollen separately before discarding males for the future . Red Gold 6 , seems the longest flowering . Soo I put her in a separate room to let her drop some more pollen to collect

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Red gold update week 14 flower approximately

RG #5 looks to be 15/16 week finish , last pics


Nothing sweet or fruity in scent

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Red Gold Pollination tent update
All ladies party now

You can see Original Haze #4 much slower to flower , interesting. (Bottom right)

I think this specific pairing of
Old Colombians blood
was interesting to attempt Bringing back that magic and monster vigor

I will hand pollinate Original Haze #4 in a few weeks 3ish , once she pushes some good pistils to attempt getting the most possible seeds.


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Original Haze #9

Seems to be one of my favorite keepers

 

[kro-magnon]

Soo I've done plenty of pollinations over the years

I thought it was wise to flower females one week ahead. IME males flowered at the same time as females , the males usually show sex before Females

My thought was to get them abit more mature would give opportunity for more mature seed.

I want seeds like the first Mexican brick I smoked equal weight of seed to flower

I'd love any thoughts or opinions on Achieving gettting the most matured seed during pollination and stages of pollination if you believe there are windows other than traditionally flowering out everything together

1luvbigherb

It anint much but it's my breeding tent

17 day flower for females Day 10 flower for males Red gold Open pollination.
With 1 Original Haze #4 its a family reunion
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WOW this filter is huge, it's funny to see in this tent, I guess it's used for a whole room not just this little tent or you're really growing some hardcore smelling cannabis if you need this size in this small tent

 

[kro-magnon]

Red Gold pollination

Males were removed last night . Plants look fully pollinated

Another thought through this experience, maybe my opinion changes after maturation. I think.ill flower females 3-4 weeks ahead of Males in the future

Few pics of males days prior to removal . One picture of the pollinated Females I'm still training during stretch

I collected pollen separately before discarding males for the future . Red Gold 6 , seems the longest flowering . Soo I put her in a separate room to let her drop some more pollen to collect

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1luvbigherb

I think starting to flower the females a few weeks before the males with this type of long flowering plants is really helpful to make more seeds or you have to keep the males for a very long time in the room with the females and have several waves of pollen drops to maximise the number of seeds produced but doing this they won't all have the same maturity at the same time so it's not very easy to collect them all.

 

[FTL]

WOW this filter is huge, it's funny to see in this tent, I guess it's used for a whole room not just this little tent or you're really growing some hardcore smelling cannabis if you need this size in this small tent

It’s a choady one …..reduced down to 150mm by the looks…..better a bit more than less

 

[kro-magnon]

It’s a choady one …..reduced down to 150mm by the looks…..better a bit more than less

This also reduce the sound of the ventilation, it just looks so funny this huge filter, bigger than the plants in this small size tent.

 

[bigherb]

Sup Haze Family

Original Haze project Colombia

Open pollination

Todd Mccormick Original Haze and
Bone Yard Haze 4 days .

Half pack of each i understood, I believe more seeds were Recently sprouted


First updates since I've left in August soo this was good news, I'm thankful to have a successful pollination.

This is in a older couples garden they are not smokers . They simply love nature plants and recognize the Benefits and medicinal aspects of cannabis.

The MMJ stores are popping up in bigger cities Topical creams seem to be favored by the elder crowd . Some available cream are mixed with coca leaf If I recall correct


Soo one day i will retire in colombia hopefully this attempt is the start of securing my Haze collection of seeds, my selections will be abundant to explore in the future

One day I will have my farm, hopefully there will be no plant count or limitations in the future

I will maybe One Day make @Sam_Skunkman
Dream of 10,000 Haze females and 10,000 males to select the Best come true

We all have to dream , it keeps the spirit alive ️

 

[Wuachuma]

@bigherb this is beautiful
Nice updates for me to wake up to a d start my day happy with.

As per your question about a male throwing pistils,

It's important to asses if it genetic or phenotypic.
Like, is it a male that's truly been and will always throw pistils, or is it just sensitive and didn't like something about this grow and won't throw pistils when he's happy.

Honestly, breeding seed plants is intense.
To do it 'correctly,' one ought to have clones of each seed plant in various grow conditions to assess phenotype vs genotype.
You may have a plant that performs like shit and normally you would cull. But grow a clone of that same plant in a grow with different nutrients or environment or lighting schedule and now you have a one in a thousand plant.
Unfortunately, without funding and resources (like warehouses with climate controls, etc) this is not feasible for hobby growers.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Bibherb, I love the idea of retiring in Colombia. Nice that you already have some connects there.

On the topic of Colombia, I got a little bit of intel about Colombian gold from my older cousin earlier this month that would be good to pass on. He's a commercial fisherman in the Florida Keys and he was the dude who hooked me and my other cousins up with some Colombian gold "seaweed" around Christmas 1975. That was the first time I smoked Colombian gold and it was extraordinary.

I hadn't seen this cousin for over 20 years and he's now an old man. I brought him up to speed on my love of 1970s weed and my ongoing efforts to breed it back into existence. Apparently he knew quite a bit about the smuggling scene in the Keys back then, and was likely involved in it, at least indirectly. I asked him if he or any of his contacts might possibly have some old seeds; he said there might be some buried in his friend's yard. He said at one time there was probably 20 kilos of Colombian gold buried there, well secured in plastic. They would regularly dig it up and enjoy it, and it was still good years later.

He texted me a few days ago and said there's no more buried weed in his friend's yard. But he did say the source of the Colombian gold was Santa Marta. Most of us know that, but he went on to say it came from "five fingers area called Gereer or something like that." There's a town called Gaira just a few clicks south of Santa Marta. My cousin said his friend said they also buried weed there. I've asked him to see if there's any further clues about the buried gold treasure. I told him the genetics are priceless and it's worth looking into.

It's an interesting story about buried (Colombia) gold. I'll update this post with an edit if I hear more.

EDIT: He says the buried weed is long gone but he thinks there's still some growing up in the mountains there.

 

[harvestreaper]

mac x todd 7 ,,

 

[CannaRed]

Multi Haze volunteer seedling next to a Freakshow cross. Both been blooming since late January.

 

[kro-magnon]

Sup Haze Family

Original Haze project Colombia

Open pollination

Todd Mccormick Original Haze and
Bone Yard Haze 4 days .

Half pack of each i understood, I believe more seeds were Recently sprouted


First updates since I've left in August soo this was good news, I'm thankful to have a successful pollination.

This is in a older couples garden they are not smokers . They simply love nature plants and recognize the Benefits and medicinal aspects of cannabis.

The MMJ stores are popping up in bigger cities Topical creams seem to be favored by the elder crowd . Some available cream are mixed with coca leaf If I recall correct


Soo one day i will retire in colombia hopefully this attempt is the start of securing my Haze collection of seeds, my selections will be abundant to explore in the future

One day I will have my farm, hopefully there will be no plant count or limitations in the future

I will maybe One Day make @Sam_Skunkman
Dream of 10,000 Haze females and 10,000 males to select the Best come true

We all have to dream , it keeps the spirit alive ️

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Hi @bigherb what do you think of the seeds sold by Todd McCormick, were you happy with the ones you've grown?
I can't find a lot of grow diaries with his genetics and I would like to have some feedback from people who have grown some of his seeds. I'm more interested in his Skunk or Northern Light lines but he has some Haze crosses who looks interesting.

 

[bigherb]

@bigherb this is beautiful
Nice updates for me to wake up to a d start my day happy with.

As per your question about a male throwing pistils,

It's important to asses if it genetic or phenotypic.
Like, is it a male that's truly been and will always throw pistils, or is it just sensitive and didn't like something about this grow and won't throw pistils when he's happy.

Honestly, breeding seed plants is intense.
To do it 'correctly,' one ought to have clones of each seed plant in various grow conditions to assess phenotype vs genotype.
You may have a plant that performs like shit and normally you would cull. But grow a clone of that same plant in a grow with different nutrients or environment or lighting schedule and now you have a one in a thousand plant.
Unfortunately, without funding and resources (like warehouses with climate controls, etc) this is not feasible for hobby growers.

I appreciate the love

That male was discarded immediately

It was the only Sexually unstable plant from the bunch . I believe the stress of the environment brought it on , The father plant in my mom tent never showed anything.

I have one life to live , A truck load of seeds and not much opportunity ATM soo I'm not keeping anything I believe to be inferior or subpar

Brother that's a Dream but far from reality .
I have my criteria and my eye for whst id like to select

In regards to Colombia Haze project, it's just hopes of preserving stock to select in the future, when I do settle down I don't have to worry about relocating my lifes collection / work of seeds

I'm hoping to setup a farm before I retire there . But I have nothing currently in the works. I'd love to have a place to do my work/ lifes dream . But until I can be there permanently I'm trying to find the next best solution.

I can say with a smile. I grew the Skunk pucks outdoors after my indoor run last season . I was impressed to see #15 tasted just as good outdoors as indoor . Till the roach baby . Seeded and all . She was a keeper but didn't survive.

Though I have offspring of #15. I believe i made S1 .

I Reversed 4 Skunk puck made S1 seeds
#1 #11 #13 #15 also PnwHp x Tk .
My favorite #11 didn't produce pollen,
I'm uncertain but dont believe its a non productive / nonviable plant when reversed but she wasn't big and healthy enough was the cause .

But the mom is alive. I will attempt again probably this summer season

But I think I'm going to reverse those Red golds . Lotta plans not alot of opportunity/ space

Mendocino Red Gold , How does that sound ?

1luvbigherb