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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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Thanks for making this info a sticky SAM!!!
Thanks for making this info a sticky SAM!!!
Glad you liked my girls folks!!
Well yah,not much documentaion in 1974 to 80's i know?
MAN if i DID document most of my old sativas,that may
have been one cool trip threw the strains of old..........
Some i do have on video from 1990 to 94 seasons crops!!!
Be cool if i brought that tape to a ICmag festival or cup!!!!!
As for the smoke of the ASIAN GIRLS,believe me right now,
when i say NO MAN ON EARTH COULD FINISH A JOINT HIMSELF!!!
Hell you couldn't even smoke a joint past 1/3 the way down....
The damned things no matter how dry it was would just JAM UP
from the resins but by that time me and anyone i smoke with where gone!
People would sit there and shack their heads at me in disbelief.
THe taste was a very spicy/peppery/hashy/oily/pengent flavor!!!
Resin colors where the best reds and golds completely covering buds...
Plant height was a good 7 foot and perfectly shaped like a christmas tree!
Here is pics of my sister behind that asian girl for comparison,both pretty..
Sorry about pic quality it was an old
polaroid but im glad i took them,i got one more somewhere....let me look???
May show a better close up...............
be back!
Thanks for making this info a sticky SAM!!!
Glad you liked my girls folks!!
Well yah,not much documentaion in 1974 to 80's i know?
MAN if i DID document most of my old sativas,that may
have been one cool trip threw the strains of old..........
Some i do have on video from 1990 to 94 seasons crops!!!
Be cool if i brought that tape to a ICmag festival or cup!!!!!
As for the smoke of the ASIAN GIRLS,believe me right now,
when i say NO MAN ON EARTH COULD FINISH A JOINT HIMSELF!!!
Hell you couldn't even smoke a joint past 1/3 the way down....
The damned things no matter how dry it was would just JAM UP
from the resins but by that time me and anyone i smoke with where gone!
People would sit there and shack their heads at me in disbelief.
THe taste was a very spicy/peppery/hashy/oily/pengent flavor!!!
Resin colors where the best reds and golds completely covering buds...
Plant height was a good 7 foot and perfectly shaped like a christmas tree!
Here is pics of my sister behind that asian girl for comparison,both pretty..
Sorry about pic quality it was an oldpolaroid but im glad i took them,i got one more somewhere....let me look???
May show a better close up...............
be back!
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I was a poor student back in 1993, just arrived at art college in the big city, grew up in a flyspeck little town in the middle of nowhere and was soooo naive. Went to the 'welcome day' and met the colection of freaks and hippies I was going to be studying Fine Art with. Got dragged by them on a pub crawl (I didn't drink then, although they tried hard to get me to drink). Ended up at a house party and everyone bar me was pretty smashed. Then someone produce a small brown ceramic bong, took them a while but they finally persuaded my to try it. I was 17, and that was my first worthwhile cannabis experience, I had smoked 'waccy baccy' a handful of times before, but being awful quality resin I don't remember getting high at all really. However, this bong was packed with lovely 'gold seal squidgy black' (I'm sure a lot of Brits remember that stuff with fond memories. I still vividly remember the exhale of that first bong hit, how my shoulders sagged as the smoke left my nostrils and a lovely warm bodystone set in i kicked back and decided there and then I had found my intoxicant of choice.
Being from farming country and having had a grandfather who was a gardener at a big country house for 40 years, I already knew how to grow all kinds of things, had spent many weekends working with my grandfather on his allotment. I lived in a rented caravan at art college in a corner of a field behind a farmhouse, I rented it from the farmer who was ancient. 6 weeks after that first bong hit I had tileld the ground behing my caravan and sowed it liberally with bagseed my friends have provided. I ended up with 23 Afghan type indicas and one huge sativa that never flowered. I got a book from the college library that had illustrations of male and female hemp so i knew what I was looking for, all I knew was that I should harvest as late as possible in the year and kill the males.
That one big sativa got to be taller than the caravan and never produced more than a few dozen calyxes, but those calyxes were half an inch long or more and the leaves were huge with thin blades, 13 leaves and the biggest fans the size of dinner plates. I never took any pictures, being paranoid about gettign them develoepd, but I wish I had as to this day, that is probably the only Thai I have grown that I was pretty sure was a Thai. My fascination with sativas began there as this huge Thai looked so much prettier to my eyes than these 3-4 feet Afghans dripping with resin with big fat leaves. Shows you how times have changed and things gotten more expensive, I sold half my first crop (there was so much I'd never ave smoked it all!) and made enough money to buy a secondhand car that was only 2 years old from new. I'd have to grow much more weed than that to buy a 2 year old car these days!
I've grown 14 out of the 15 years since and still keep in touch with the Scottish madman who gave me that first bong hit...
Being from farming country and having had a grandfather who was a gardener at a big country house for 40 years, I already knew how to grow all kinds of things, had spent many weekends working with my grandfather on his allotment. I lived in a rented caravan at art college in a corner of a field behind a farmhouse, I rented it from the farmer who was ancient. 6 weeks after that first bong hit I had tileld the ground behing my caravan and sowed it liberally with bagseed my friends have provided. I ended up with 23 Afghan type indicas and one huge sativa that never flowered. I got a book from the college library that had illustrations of male and female hemp so i knew what I was looking for, all I knew was that I should harvest as late as possible in the year and kill the males.
That one big sativa got to be taller than the caravan and never produced more than a few dozen calyxes, but those calyxes were half an inch long or more and the leaves were huge with thin blades, 13 leaves and the biggest fans the size of dinner plates. I never took any pictures, being paranoid about gettign them develoepd, but I wish I had as to this day, that is probably the only Thai I have grown that I was pretty sure was a Thai. My fascination with sativas began there as this huge Thai looked so much prettier to my eyes than these 3-4 feet Afghans dripping with resin with big fat leaves. Shows you how times have changed and things gotten more expensive, I sold half my first crop (there was so much I'd never ave smoked it all!) and made enough money to buy a secondhand car that was only 2 years old from new. I'd have to grow much more weed than that to buy a 2 year old car these days!
I've grown 14 out of the 15 years since and still keep in touch with the Scottish madman who gave me that first bong hit...
lou grew
hot damn im in love my kind of flavors .sounds outrageously delicious. excatly wat id want in my jar. as far as this not finishing a joint ive heard som say this.i hav uncles which told me c.wacky weed was this strong n cousins who smoked som stuff they had to clip . ive only been soming since 98 but ive neva met a strain this strong. i smoke blunts mostly which for the most part r a lil bigger n never put out a blunt. i hope to find something that strong one day, it may say me alotta money. but i must ask is your asian girl still around ?
hot damn im in love my kind of flavors .sounds outrageously delicious. excatly wat id want in my jar. as far as this not finishing a joint ive heard som say this.i hav uncles which told me c.wacky weed was this strong n cousins who smoked som stuff they had to clip . ive only been soming since 98 but ive neva met a strain this strong. i smoke blunts mostly which for the most part r a lil bigger n never put out a blunt. i hope to find something that strong one day, it may say me alotta money. but i must ask is your asian girl still around ?
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have been growin a Haze from TomHill for a bit, and grew some of the OT1 offerin as well.
imo i dont think they resemble each other very much, as the OT1 is more of what i would call a jungle sativa, with the bird cage type of bud. they look like they yield well, but the bud is real stringy with very small calyx along the runners. Toms haze has large calyx, and the bud has some density to it, were the OT1 is like a limp brillo pad, feelin.
much longer to sex then THOHaze, 6 to 8 wks as opposed to the normal 2 to 3 wks of the THOHaze. i have found a few plants from Toms offerin that require 11/13 or 10/14 to flip, but its a very small % of plants, compared to OT1s, which i dont think would flip under 12/12.
OT1s haze i was at 22/24 weeks before i called it quits. they were still makin pistils with no end in sight. just to much for me indoors.
over the years, from Sam, posi, and Tom, the Haze could very well have changed in appearence, i dont know personally.
im not sayin that the OT1 is not haze, im not sayin it aint worth a rip either, just sayin i dont feel like there the same.
have had many different straight sativa plants come thru here, and ive seen this jungle bud many times, in columbian, panama, lemon thai, dalat, and from my experience not all that great a smoke.
then again some sativas do well here, others dont. personally i do not like that type of bud. pretty much from the first plants i ever grew(KC Brains sativas) i cant deal those those jungle gals.
expat
imo i dont think they resemble each other very much, as the OT1 is more of what i would call a jungle sativa, with the bird cage type of bud. they look like they yield well, but the bud is real stringy with very small calyx along the runners. Toms haze has large calyx, and the bud has some density to it, were the OT1 is like a limp brillo pad, feelin.
much longer to sex then THOHaze, 6 to 8 wks as opposed to the normal 2 to 3 wks of the THOHaze. i have found a few plants from Toms offerin that require 11/13 or 10/14 to flip, but its a very small % of plants, compared to OT1s, which i dont think would flip under 12/12.
OT1s haze i was at 22/24 weeks before i called it quits. they were still makin pistils with no end in sight. just to much for me indoors.
over the years, from Sam, posi, and Tom, the Haze could very well have changed in appearence, i dont know personally.
im not sayin that the OT1 is not haze, im not sayin it aint worth a rip either, just sayin i dont feel like there the same.
have had many different straight sativa plants come thru here, and ive seen this jungle bud many times, in columbian, panama, lemon thai, dalat, and from my experience not all that great a smoke.
then again some sativas do well here, others dont. personally i do not like that type of bud. pretty much from the first plants i ever grew(KC Brains sativas) i cant deal those those jungle gals.
expat
Another nostalgia pic Lou 
Keep sharing em if you got em!
These "Ask Skunkman a question" threads seem to provide great amount of information! I think I have to read these threads from beginning to end tomorrow.. Thanks for contributors
Keep sharing em if you got em!These "Ask Skunkman a question" threads seem to provide great amount of information! I think I have to read these threads from beginning to end tomorrow.. Thanks for contributors
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Sam_Skunkman said:
y, can recall something akin to a "Sweetart" candy with a purple "splotch" in
the middle was lucky enough to get hands on circa '66 or '67.
Strawberry fields forevah ....
Agree that any ssh should improve most female Indica blood clones ,
on this would
like to hear more ...
Some recent indoor SSH i grew out from clone , i think was
from MNS seedstck:
pure sweetness , wicked potent :
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Yeah the Gold seal I remember it well,It was around from about '89 round my way,til I last saw some in the mid 90's. I did however smoke the exact same thing in Dam a few times at a coffeeshop whose name escapes me and that was '98 and thats the last time I saw any of it!British_Hempire said:
There was a similar but less squidgy variety that appeared just after the gold did.It always had various gold stamps on it like Camels and Elephants etc(Supposed to be Egyptian but never confirmed). But seemed to be same puff everytime I got some give or take the freshness.It was crumblier but still bubbled and fizzed a little when heated.Not as nice as the gold seal,with a slightly strange fermented flavour but V.strong anyway.
My fave was always the Redseal particularly what was around from '86 til about '94 on and off. But during '88 to 92'' it was consistently good and available($65 an ounce) and I would say was the best quality,most consistently available 'Commercial' hashish I ever had the pleasure to taste(I used to smell older people smoking it from when I was about 13yrs old and it just smelled so beautiful,like fresh flowers and toffee!)or experience!
But the 'Comm Hash' I liked best overall but couldn't buy consistently was the 'Red Lebanese' that I was procuring in '89-'91 from a friends dad. Now that was special stuff,Slabs came Muslin Wrapped and product was Almost Terracotta in colour it had the most beautiful fluffy texture(but not like that Grey/brown 'Slate Leb' which also fluffed but in an unnatural way)when heated. It had the nicest 'body-stone of any Canna I have tried but with a Cerebral, buzzy,almost speedy initial hit(£70-90 per oz).I would swap my own Grandmother for a slab of that s--t now!(If u r on the forum Nan...Sorry I'm just kidding I'd want at least 2 slabs 4 ya!) JBo
P.S. I've just sparked a joint of a friends Hindu Kush(not a hybrid) and it smells & tastes like yellow Grapefruit with a sharp aftertaste like rind! I've not smelt this B4 in Kush and its really thrown me as I've grown it a few times and never had a GF pheno b4 or anything like it! Anyone had Grapefruity Hindu Kush B4? Lemme know! Thanks J
P.P.S. Great Pics CHARLIE GARCIA!
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Thanks Ras.....
Nope Bigherb,unfortunately the girl got frosted dead.
On Xmas day in 83' way down south here,i had a thick
plastic cover on it but the temps went into the 20's......
DAMN I MISS HER,that shit was so good i held on to a bud
for 2 full years just looking and smelling it untill i smoked it.....
The resins where so packed on it like hash,and hash lasts for ever!!!
Wish i had this to offer to everybody so they can all see what REAL WEED
does to you......sorry i was young?.....but HAPPY!!!
REALLY GOOD Xmas present that year.......
BH,good story it adds to the history of things......
More nice BLOOD shots JLP sweet!!
Nope Bigherb,unfortunately the girl got frosted dead.
On Xmas day in 83' way down south here,i had a thick
plastic cover on it but the temps went into the 20's......
DAMN I MISS HER,that shit was so good i held on to a bud
for 2 full years just looking and smelling it untill i smoked it.....
The resins where so packed on it like hash,and hash lasts for ever!!!
Wish i had this to offer to everybody so they can all see what REAL WEED
does to you......sorry i was young?.....but HAPPY!!!
REALLY GOOD Xmas present that year.......
BH,good story it adds to the history of things......
More nice BLOOD shots JLP sweet!!
shantibaba
Active member
Hi All
well I read alot of this thread but not all.I also do not feel to try to prove or disprove things that have reached mythological levels due to posts made by people where no one who was there at the time can support or disprove. Let's say the origins of the bible were written by someone, and as they got rewritten and passed on down the ages, new lines of thought came into play and lead to new fractions a similar belief. We seem to be evolving the same way. So let's say there was more than one person involved in making every line that has lead us to now.
The proof is still in the seed and the seed company's ethics if it needs to be stated. We at MNS sell seed to good and advanced growers who are interested in genetics. We are not claiming to do anything more than that.
There is alot of passed history of all individuals that only each of them will know to be truth or fiction. There are radio reports from Holland where the questions of how certain companies acquired licenses while other native companies could not, and of course very few people have untainted passed history. The biggest differences are down to personality, and since I know both Sam , Rob Clarke, Neville, and so on and still are in contact with alot of them to this day, I believe we should say thanks to all of them for all of their hard work.
To answer Sam claim that I was not around in the 80's in NL, I can tell you that is correct. But I was working with a group in Australia who grew the legendary strain called Mullumbimby Madness...which was and still is one of the founding base strains of my time. It was a pure sativa from inbred seed over alot of generations, of course based on selection. It is on par with anything I ever saw anywhere in the world bred or not...and makes me believe in my heart that the origins of all the Haze lines came from well selected land race sativas from the 60s and 70s. Beleive who you want but in the end most of us are only the hands of mother Nature, and she was first.
All the best Shantibaba
well I read alot of this thread but not all.I also do not feel to try to prove or disprove things that have reached mythological levels due to posts made by people where no one who was there at the time can support or disprove. Let's say the origins of the bible were written by someone, and as they got rewritten and passed on down the ages, new lines of thought came into play and lead to new fractions a similar belief. We seem to be evolving the same way. So let's say there was more than one person involved in making every line that has lead us to now.
The proof is still in the seed and the seed company's ethics if it needs to be stated. We at MNS sell seed to good and advanced growers who are interested in genetics. We are not claiming to do anything more than that.
There is alot of passed history of all individuals that only each of them will know to be truth or fiction. There are radio reports from Holland where the questions of how certain companies acquired licenses while other native companies could not, and of course very few people have untainted passed history. The biggest differences are down to personality, and since I know both Sam , Rob Clarke, Neville, and so on and still are in contact with alot of them to this day, I believe we should say thanks to all of them for all of their hard work.
To answer Sam claim that I was not around in the 80's in NL, I can tell you that is correct. But I was working with a group in Australia who grew the legendary strain called Mullumbimby Madness...which was and still is one of the founding base strains of my time. It was a pure sativa from inbred seed over alot of generations, of course based on selection. It is on par with anything I ever saw anywhere in the world bred or not...and makes me believe in my heart that the origins of all the Haze lines came from well selected land race sativas from the 60s and 70s. Beleive who you want but in the end most of us are only the hands of mother Nature, and she was first.
All the best Shantibaba
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kopite
I second that
Ahh this turned into the thread it should have been right from the start. Great info folks. Those pics are awesome. Good to see Shanti chime in. Sam + Shanti = unmatched wealth of knowledge! I'd be happy with 1/2 that knowledge. 
timmy thc
Member
i have 1 freebie of the O haze x skunk #1 started vegging for 5 weeks smells very lemony high 5 , very nice taking 2 clones next week and going to find out sex, if it's a female do i ditch it to make room,i also got 4 cotton candy,2 jacks cleaner's 2,3 trainwreck, and 3 highend all from seed all unsexed looking for mothers and a very special father 
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Great post Shanti, you really hit the nail on the head!
BTW, I was reading a book last night and had a good chuckle at the descriptions of people in the book, I think you'll have a wry smile at them too, so here they are....
The book is Cannabis Culture by Patrick Matthews, on p141 he describes meeting someone who I think must be Shantibaba:
Hehe, I go with burly, but I thought Shanti was Australian? makes you wonder, when writers get basic facts like someon'es nationality wrong, what else have they got wrong? I think this clearly illustrates how the cannabis public can get the wrong end of the stick sometimes - there is a paucity of written information and it;s often innaccurate!
What really made me chuckle was his description of Arjan though:
Doesn't look like he did his research all that well as he didn't even get Sam's name right!
BTW, I was reading a book last night and had a good chuckle at the descriptions of people in the book, I think you'll have a wry smile at them too, so here they are....
The book is Cannabis Culture by Patrick Matthews, on p141 he describes meeting someone who I think must be Shantibaba:
Hehe, I go with burly, but I thought Shanti was Australian? makes you wonder, when writers get basic facts like someon'es nationality wrong, what else have they got wrong? I think this clearly illustrates how the cannabis public can get the wrong end of the stick sometimes - there is a paucity of written information and it;s often innaccurate!
What really made me chuckle was his description of Arjan though:
Doesn't look like he did his research all that well as he didn't even get Sam's name right!
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British_Hempire said:
really...........bro you are a readin mofo, with lots of great insight. always enjoy your posts.
are you BigBudda of Buddas cheese fame by chance? just wonderin, thanks
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Hehe, if you live in the middle of nowhere like I do and are unemployed you have to find something to do and I love reading.
Nah, not me, my handle at overgrow was big_buddha, that was long before I'd ever heard of the other buddha and his Cheese. I;m a big guy and when I was at uni I was always the ast one to arrive at any social gatherign so always ended up sat on the floor cross-legged cos all the chairs were taken, hence I got the nickname buddha cos apparently I looked like a buddha sat there with my legs crossed and a joint in my mouth.
Nah, not me, my handle at overgrow was big_buddha, that was long before I'd ever heard of the other buddha and his Cheese. I;m a big guy and when I was at uni I was always the ast one to arrive at any social gatherign so always ended up sat on the floor cross-legged cos all the chairs were taken, hence I got the nickname buddha cos apparently I looked like a buddha sat there with my legs crossed and a joint in my mouth.
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right on BH, for some reason i had the Big Buddha nick some how linked with you. yeah man been sometime since the OG days.
take care
take care
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Yeah, I'm still known as big_buddha on two small forums, some people still know me as that name, I stopped posting at OG a few months before the end cos of all the PMs I was getting from folks who thought I was the guy who made the Cheese seeds. Hence I changed the name when I joined icmag. To be honest, I don;t miss OG, I do miss the vast repository of info, but all the kiddies and negativity don't make me nostalgic! I remember that if you ever posted anything lightly contentious you would often be set upon by kiddie trolls who had yet to grow a beard yet alone a cannabis plant.
