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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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Tom Hill bought his Haze from the Positronics Shop in 1997, so the genes would probably have come from Old Ed originally, like many of Posi's strains. Where Old Ed got them I don't know, Sam said in another thread theat Old Ed didn't get them from him. OT1 said he got his seeds in the US in the 60s from what I recall, Could be that both are related and both related to Sam's Haze in some way, it's hard to know, but as long as the plants are good, I suppose it's irrelevant really.
BH,
Maybe Tom was wrong when he said 1997...
a long time ago he said that he bought the haze @ Posi´s by the end of 1993 or 1994...
I´m going to ask him
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Sacred Seeds offered 4 different O Hazes,plus the Burning Bush and the New Year´s Haze,and at least half dozen of Haze hybrids...in 1981...
I´d bet that at least a few bought those seeds?
Maybe Tom was wrong when he said 1997...
a long time ago he said that he bought the haze @ Posi´s by the end of 1993 or 1994...
I´m going to ask him
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Sacred Seeds offered 4 different O Hazes,plus the Burning Bush and the New Year´s Haze,and at least half dozen of Haze hybrids...in 1981...
I´d bet that at least a few bought those seeds?
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Yeah, I was thinking the same British Hempire. Who knows where Old Ed had come upon it.
Raco, the Positronics haze and the ot1 haze are virtually identical in veg, so you're probably right. I've just heard so many stories about what exactly the ot1 haze is, it makes my head spin
So I'd just as soon not worry about its history but just focus on the amazing plant that it is. I wondered myself if the ot1 haze wasn't a new years haze that someone from Europe had ordered from Cultivators Choice. How did it go? "New Years Haze aka super annoying haze" something like that... The best plants do seem to be the very longest ones. I have about 100 ot1 hazes left, perhaps I should run 100 ot1 hazes in the greenhouse with 140 Positronics hazes outdoors with light cycle control? That would be a nice comparison. Doing my spring germination run on the leap year, so trying to sort out what I should do.
Raco, the Positronics haze and the ot1 haze are virtually identical in veg, so you're probably right. I've just heard so many stories about what exactly the ot1 haze is, it makes my head spin
So I'd just as soon not worry about its history but just focus on the amazing plant that it is. I wondered myself if the ot1 haze wasn't a new years haze that someone from Europe had ordered from Cultivators Choice. How did it go? "New Years Haze aka super annoying haze" something like that... The best plants do seem to be the very longest ones. I have about 100 ot1 hazes left, perhaps I should run 100 ot1 hazes in the greenhouse with 140 Positronics hazes outdoors with light cycle control? That would be a nice comparison. Doing my spring germination run on the leap year, so trying to sort out what I should do.
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Bluebeard said:Yeah, I was thinking the same British Hempire. Who knows where Old Ed had come upon it.
Raco, the Positronics haze and the ot1 haze are virtually identical in veg, so you're probably right. I've just heard so many stories about what exactly the ot1 haze is, it makes my head spin
Extra late Haze aka New Year´s Haze...
I harvested my Ot1´s after 20 weeks!!
early samples made me happy!!
Hard I tryed,but nope....not a single banana.Hermie-free for sure
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I knew it was something like that 
That is a good point about the OT1, it is just as impervious to forming bananas as the other hazes, and a good sign that they are possibly related.
That is a good point about the OT1, it is just as impervious to forming bananas as the other hazes, and a good sign that they are possibly related.
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charlie garcia
Everything is possible, we can never be sure about... Sacred Seeds, Cultivators Choice, Positronics... Most important thing is that ppl grow them, whatever line and source. Some of us have been looking always for best possible sativas and try to incorporate them to present commercial genepool in our jobs... to grow this "jurasic" lines hehe cant be other thing than great for all.
About Haze, here is Sam to talk.. he is the one to ask due inmense job done with them. "nihil obstat" I will always look for other sativas as well, not only haze hehe I will always miss my good columbians and mexicans alone although could be part of Haze
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About Haze, here is Sam to talk.. he is the one to ask due inmense job done with them. "nihil obstat" I will always look for other sativas as well, not only haze
hehe I will always miss my good columbians and mexicans alone although could be part of Hazebest
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Positronics got them from Sam, not Old EdBritish_Hempire said:
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charlie garcia
Something happened also with some seedlings of Ot Haze that had not health and grew like bonsais. Some genetic fail (I saw the same in other old seed lines) Just a few in those lots but were rejected due lack of health. Maybe inbreeding depression? Anyhow I guess some of these bonsais could still come around from time to time in offspring
Sam I dont know if thats something you have been aware of as well in any of the hazes generations you worked. Maybe this data can help, dont know. I believe all these lines are related with your work.
thx
Sam I dont know if thats something you have been aware of as well in any of the hazes generations you worked. Maybe this data can help, dont know. I believe all these lines are related with your work.
thx
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Thanks for correcting me on that point Sam.
I don't think ot1 was lying, he had been misled, I knew Wernard from 1984 he got seeds and Haze 19 as he called it from me.
-SamS
-SamS
I never saw O Haze produce bonzais or other mutant plants, lower potency yes.
Maybe the seed producer was using just a few plants and inbred them too many times?
-SamS
Maybe the seed producer was using just a few plants and inbred them too many times?
-SamS
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charlie garcia
gracias Sam
Not these seeds were 1 generation after Odltimer spared them. Must say also he always acted like a gentleman to us. He spared houndreds of them during the 90's as he said, also he spared seeds of 3 different Haze lines. These are 1 of those, he never got news about other 2. Is only info I remember. An old thread at CW ended up also really messy and polemic but for what we wanted, information about plants, to talk about plants, was dificult to extract any info at all which could help and maybe lead us in some growing and selecting direction... Maybe better like this, so not other influence when we looked at them for the first time.
Much appreciated
Not these seeds were 1 generation after Odltimer spared them. Must say also he always acted like a gentleman to us. He spared houndreds of them during the 90's as he said, also he spared seeds of 3 different Haze lines. These are 1 of those, he never got news about other 2. Is only info I remember. An old thread at CW ended up also really messy and polemic but for what we wanted, information about plants, to talk about plants, was dificult to extract any info at all which could help and maybe lead us in some growing and selecting direction... Maybe better like this, so not other influence when we looked at them for the first time.
Much appreciated
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Tom Hill OHaze
Last pic is of the plangt I kept, great herb, picky to grow indoors for sure. So these are of yours Sam? Original or not, it's great, made a few crosses already, interesting to see how it blended with Sweet Tooth, many of the crosses I have had the pleasure to grow and taste are just fantastic, CBF's Strawberry Creme X OHaze purple pheno (yes these pop from Tom's beans also) aka Strawberry Haze is just amazing....
Great info in this thread, the world needs facts and here we have them...Im a young sprout but done read a pile of High Times mags and some of the timelines I see here just dont fit...Neville himself told that he didnt actually do anything new just cross and breed things that were already bred, and he indeed started with shit for beans he has said this himself, and he started business years after skunk and haze and such were well known varieties, at least in USA. But I wasnt there either.
Last pic is of the plangt I kept, great herb, picky to grow indoors for sure. So these are of yours Sam? Original or not, it's great, made a few crosses already, interesting to see how it blended with Sweet Tooth, many of the crosses I have had the pleasure to grow and taste are just fantastic, CBF's Strawberry Creme X OHaze purple pheno (yes these pop from Tom's beans also) aka Strawberry Haze is just amazing....
Great info in this thread, the world needs facts and here we have them...Im a young sprout but done read a pile of High Times mags and some of the timelines I see here just dont fit...Neville himself told that he didnt actually do anything new just cross and breed things that were already bred, and he indeed started with shit for beans he has said this himself, and he started business years after skunk and haze and such were well known varieties, at least in USA. But I wasnt there either.
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I used ot have a book with a whole chapter on Neville, the author met him and did lengthy interviews, he talked in depth about how he went to Hollant to get clean of heroin because the Dutch had the best drug treatment programmes in the world and one of the ways the programme Neville enroleld in helped former addicts get back to a normal life was to help them setup business ventures, give them training in how to setup and run their own business etc. Neville told them he wanted to setup a cannabis seed business and they helped him get started. I wish I could find the book but I think I lent it to a friend who never returned it. There was a lot of info as Neville was pretty candid.
Someone had taken pics of the cannabis castle article in HT from the 80's where he tells a lot of things, dont remember where the hell it was, somewhere here in IC for sure.
Great thread guys.
You've inspired me to germ the last 6 OH seeds I had.I tried them once before but they didn't turn out so good.These things are beasts indoors and the take about 8 weeks to even show sex.
The last time i grew them when I topped them the sap that came out looked just like blood,it will be interesting to see if it repeats.
Hey Sam,I think I've uncovered your top secret program-CODE NAME:
INJECT-A-SKUNK
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=82716&page=1
JLP
You've inspired me to germ the last 6 OH seeds I had.I tried them once before but they didn't turn out so good.These things are beasts indoors and the take about 8 weeks to even show sex.
The last time i grew them when I topped them the sap that came out looked just like blood,it will be interesting to see if it repeats.
Hey Sam,I think I've uncovered your top secret program-CODE NAME:
INJECT-A-SKUNK
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=82716&page=1
JLP
