after reading this I can feel the taste of the Ohaze again that I smoked around 89-90' in the Netherlands.
It was like smoking very sweet green pine resin, with some floral notes.
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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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after reading this I can feel the taste of the Ohaze again that I smoked around 89-90' in the Netherlands.
It was like smoking very sweet green pine resin, with some floral notes.
That's a pity.Still have some Haze seeds, hopefully i can find the frankie pheno, but thnx for the info.
Keep on growing
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IC has no interest in non sense
You have said your piece more than once , please move on
Big, I'll be growing both the Punto Rojo seed from Charlie and the Frankies Incense haze from Chimera outdoors this season. I'll make sure I document as much of the grow as I can here on IC.
HB.
HB.
My brother
Great minds think alike , that's my plan to but I have PR crossed to BSC Colombian Gold
I don't exspect the Red Gold to finish , I really wouldn't imagine a proper finish for you with the pure especially
It be great to compare notes because were both outdoor n abit north . What your local/ latitude again ? further than NYC if recall
I'm curious to see more notes n pics on that NH you grew out .I was hopin as you mentioned when you had a chance you'd drop some info n pics of dry buds
I was throughly impressed this year , I think experience is the best teacher . The difference in both phenos was very apparent by eye but subtle by nose yet effects were notably different
1luvbigherb
My brother
Great minds think alike , that's my plan to but I have PR crossed to BSC Colombian Gold
I don't exspect the Red Gold to finish , I really wouldn't imagine a proper finish for you with the pure especially
It be great to compare notes because were both outdoor n abit north . What your local/ latitude again ? further than NYC if recall
I'm curious to see more notes n pics on that NH you grew out .I was hopin as you mentioned when you had a chance you'd drop some info n pics of dry buds
I was throughly impressed this year , I think experience is the best teacher . The difference in both phenos was very apparent by eye but subtle by nose yet effects were notably different
1luvbigherb
Yeah, I gotta get those dried nug shots/reports up before I smoke it all, lol. Maybe this weekend if I have time.
I'm at 37N and we don't usually get frosts here, so I'm hoping I can let the PR go until at least end of November 2015. We'll just have to see.
Good luck with that lumbo cross, Big. Sounds like a winner if you can get them to finish up before the snow comes to NYC!
HB.
Here are the dried shots I said I'd post up, along with some short descriptions of the smell/smoke. Grown outside from seed, I pulled these Nev's Haze around November of last year.
I had some plants that were very much alike and some that were a bit different. Still not sure what to look for, but I think my longest flowering plants did best. The last plant I pulled was the one I called big sis and I believe I pull her in mid-late November.
Here's a group shot....
Like most people, I tend to judge cannabis on five things (and not necessarily in this order): Looks, smell, taste, smokability, and, of course, the high.
First up is what we'll call NH1...smells I get from this one are "sharp" (not sweet) mango, faint pepper and incense. Looks-wise, it's not the best, but I don't care too much about that. The high is very heady at first, then slowly ebbs away to a nice body stone. Taste is ok, kinda hash/spice, nothing stands out to me. Unless the weed I'm smoking has a very very strong flavor, I'm not good at picking it up. Not the longest lasting high, but the intensity of the high is pretty strong before it levels off.
Next up, we have what we'll call NH3. Based on what I have left in my stash, this is the strain I've been smoking the most of out of all of them. Smell is more pronounced than NH1. I'm getting some mango/metallic/incense smells with more funk than NH1. Pretty heady day time smoke and the high keeps coming. Just when you think it's ending, another wave hits. Definitely the longest lasting high out of the bunch, very heady, very little body.
Here we have NH4. Very similar in structure and smell to NH3. imho. Very pronounced/sharp greenish mango, metallic, spice, incense smells. Taste is like it smells. A bit of hash fruit skunk incense/metal/licorice type flavor in there. The high sneaks up on you and keeps coming in waves, just like NH3. I can smoke some in the morning, and I'm not yawning by the middle of the day.
Last, we have the NH2. Best yielder out of the bunch. I thought it might be from the big plant I grew but I think that one is either NH3 or NH4 based on previous trim pics I took. This one hasn't really been tested too much, but I find it very similar to NH2, but a little more complex in the smell department. The high on this one is as heady as the NH3 and NH4...but a little more fuzzy. I have trouble focusing on stuff after smoking this one. The taste is what you expect from a "haze" hybrid. One thing that stands out for this one is the smoothness of the smoke.
Oh, and I wanted to mention one other thing. Out of all the NH plants I grew outside, I never noticed any herms and I have yet to find a seed in any of the above. That's not to say I never got a totally weird looking plant in earlier attempts from the same seed pack...I got a freakish looking one while trying to grow this line indoors a while back...and I was pretty disappointed in general with the one that looked somewhat normal, lol. Outdoors seems to work better for me in terms of quality when it comes to NH.
HB.
I had some plants that were very much alike and some that were a bit different. Still not sure what to look for, but I think my longest flowering plants did best. The last plant I pulled was the one I called big sis and I believe I pull her in mid-late November.
Here's a group shot....
Like most people, I tend to judge cannabis on five things (and not necessarily in this order): Looks, smell, taste, smokability, and, of course, the high.
First up is what we'll call NH1...smells I get from this one are "sharp" (not sweet) mango, faint pepper and incense. Looks-wise, it's not the best, but I don't care too much about that. The high is very heady at first, then slowly ebbs away to a nice body stone. Taste is ok, kinda hash/spice, nothing stands out to me. Unless the weed I'm smoking has a very very strong flavor, I'm not good at picking it up. Not the longest lasting high, but the intensity of the high is pretty strong before it levels off.
Next up, we have what we'll call NH3. Based on what I have left in my stash, this is the strain I've been smoking the most of out of all of them. Smell is more pronounced than NH1. I'm getting some mango/metallic/incense smells with more funk than NH1. Pretty heady day time smoke and the high keeps coming. Just when you think it's ending, another wave hits. Definitely the longest lasting high out of the bunch, very heady, very little body.
Here we have NH4. Very similar in structure and smell to NH3. imho. Very pronounced/sharp greenish mango, metallic, spice, incense smells. Taste is like it smells. A bit of hash fruit skunk incense/metal/licorice type flavor in there. The high sneaks up on you and keeps coming in waves, just like NH3. I can smoke some in the morning, and I'm not yawning by the middle of the day.
Last, we have the NH2. Best yielder out of the bunch. I thought it might be from the big plant I grew but I think that one is either NH3 or NH4 based on previous trim pics I took. This one hasn't really been tested too much, but I find it very similar to NH2, but a little more complex in the smell department. The high on this one is as heady as the NH3 and NH4...but a little more fuzzy. I have trouble focusing on stuff after smoking this one. The taste is what you expect from a "haze" hybrid. One thing that stands out for this one is the smoothness of the smoke.
Oh, and I wanted to mention one other thing. Out of all the NH plants I grew outside, I never noticed any herms and I have yet to find a seed in any of the above. That's not to say I never got a totally weird looking plant in earlier attempts from the same seed pack...I got a freakish looking one while trying to grow this line indoors a while back...and I was pretty disappointed in general with the one that looked somewhat normal, lol. Outdoors seems to work better for me in terms of quality when it comes to NH.
HB.
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Looking lovely
I appreciate the Pics an reports
Its interesting that you have similiar Taste/aromas in all of your phenos .This is also somthing ive found in the Phenos ive experienced . The mango trait is interesting an surprising not somthing ive seen the licorice is even more soo . I think feeding might make a difference
I noticed the MNS hermie talk in RUST if i recall .I didnt wanna keep that thread in that direction . BUt ill say IME / of course from what my friend told me . 4 phenos ive experineced threwout the years outdoors in diff location in NYC .Some Crazy spots Ruff conditions not at all far from a street lamp / Back yards with outdoor lights from neighbors . Noo Hermies i Repeat No Hermies .
All Surprising to after first learning about the Sensitivity of Haze an it should only be grown in tropics . I recall Shanti saying Haze is hard to Kill an thats somthing I Live by . I also think it being outdoor has helped it adapt/survive /deal with its surrounding .Might all sound crazy but proof is in the pudding or in the Pic as some would say
My friend actually tried to pollenate the NH with Pollen from OHaze x DSD . One select branch Only 2 Seeds , somthing wasnt right but practice makes perfect
Your NH#3 is reminiscent of my NL Pheno of NH
1luvbigherb
Looking lovely
I appreciate the Pics an reports
Its interesting that you have similiar Taste/aromas in all of your phenos .This is also somthing ive found in the Phenos ive experienced . The mango trait is interesting an surprising not somthing ive seen the licorice is even more soo . I think feeding might make a difference
I noticed the MNS hermie talk in RUST if i recall .I didnt wanna keep that thread in that direction . BUt ill say IME / of course from what my friend told me . 4 phenos ive experineced threwout the years outdoors in diff location in NYC .Some Crazy spots Ruff conditions not at all far from a street lamp / Back yards with outdoor lights from neighbors . Noo Hermies i Repeat No Hermies .
All Surprising to after first learning about the Sensitivity of Haze an it should only be grown in tropics . I recall Shanti saying Haze is hard to Kill an thats somthing I Live by . I also think it being outdoor has helped it adapt/survive /deal with its surrounding .Might all sound crazy but proof is in the pudding or in the Pic as some would say
My friend actually tried to pollenate the NH with Pollen from OHaze x DSD . One select branch Only 2 Seeds , somthing wasnt right but practice makes perfect
Your NH#3 is reminiscent of my NL Pheno of NH
1luvbigherb
yea they seem to be more prone to herm when grown indoor.
But 10 years ago not. Why? What did change since then?
Back on topic:
On sunday I had the opportunity to visit a Seedsman Original Haze and Oldtimers Haze grow. The plants are still in veg and it's incredible how different those original haze lines look.
They also look completely different to the Positronics Hazes I had in 93-95', which ressembled more to Tom Hills Haze of these days (but without those lebanese looking wider leaves, and without purple colors)
The OTH are very very vigorous. Way more vigorous than my Positronics Hazes in 93-95. The first set of leaves were very big and wide. And they are growing fast like modern hybrids and are very compact in veg for ohazes. And their roots grow very fast too. They all have what I would call a thai/south-east asian look.
The Seedsman OH is the complete opposite. They are slow and not vigorous at all. Lanky with very long internodial space and the roots grow very thin and slow. 1 of them looks very thai and is really sexy while the others are some of the ugliest plants I have ever seen. But when you put your nose on those ugly ohaze plants, you can clearly smell the haze on most of them, or better, what is considered as the haze taste/smell by many people. The kind of haze smell that beems you back to the 90s for a moment. Not like the pure hazes, I have smoked around 89-90 that had a pine resin, floral, soapy, green smell, nore like the Positronics that had a green floral, sweet soapy smell, but more like Sensi's Haze hybrids in the 90s.
If Shanti, Nevil or whoever, did like they pretend not get their Haze stock from Sam , why "did" their haze hybrids smell like Sams/seedsmans original haze does in veg? And why do Sams hybrids still have those funky incensey Haze smells in them when Sensis and MNS haze smells are getting so extremely diluted?
As you can see, Im really impressed by the smell that are givng these Ohazes while they are stil in veg... And after putting my nose on those unvigorous seedsman ohazes, Im pretty sure that the haze hybrids of the 90-00s all came from Sam's stock, like he always says. In my opinion, at least the famous hazeA male came directly from Sams work.
But 10 years ago not. Why? What did change since then?
Back on topic:
On sunday I had the opportunity to visit a Seedsman Original Haze and Oldtimers Haze grow. The plants are still in veg and it's incredible how different those original haze lines look.
They also look completely different to the Positronics Hazes I had in 93-95', which ressembled more to Tom Hills Haze of these days (but without those lebanese looking wider leaves, and without purple colors)
The OTH are very very vigorous. Way more vigorous than my Positronics Hazes in 93-95. The first set of leaves were very big and wide. And they are growing fast like modern hybrids and are very compact in veg for ohazes. And their roots grow very fast too. They all have what I would call a thai/south-east asian look.
The Seedsman OH is the complete opposite. They are slow and not vigorous at all. Lanky with very long internodial space and the roots grow very thin and slow. 1 of them looks very thai and is really sexy while the others are some of the ugliest plants I have ever seen. But when you put your nose on those ugly ohaze plants, you can clearly smell the haze on most of them, or better, what is considered as the haze taste/smell by many people. The kind of haze smell that beems you back to the 90s for a moment. Not like the pure hazes, I have smoked around 89-90 that had a pine resin, floral, soapy, green smell, nore like the Positronics that had a green floral, sweet soapy smell, but more like Sensi's Haze hybrids in the 90s.
If Shanti, Nevil or whoever, did like they pretend not get their Haze stock from Sam , why "did" their haze hybrids smell like Sams/seedsmans original haze does in veg? And why do Sams hybrids still have those funky incensey Haze smells in them when Sensis and MNS haze smells are getting so extremely diluted?
As you can see, Im really impressed by the smell that are givng these Ohazes while they are stil in veg... And after putting my nose on those unvigorous seedsman ohazes, Im pretty sure that the haze hybrids of the 90-00s all came from Sam's stock, like he always says. In my opinion, at least the famous hazeA male came directly from Sams work.
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sirius haze
Jhonny, at mr nice forum you will find that nevil explained the origin of the haze used by mr nice seeds and he said he bought these seeds to sam the skunkman, these seeds were not bred by sam the skunkman but it was old seeds directly bred by the haze brothers, only a few germinated and nevil used two males for the breeding, haze A and haze C.
Sam the skunkman worked the line after that and so new directions were given to original haze, if you have seen some cultivators choice catalog you have seen that sam the skunkman offered many different pure original haze seeds lines.
All original haze seeds stock were brought by sam the skunkman in holland in the end and all haze hybrids use some original haze plant he brought or he bred.
However old timer haze seems different, maybe it was original haze bred to a thai or a colombian i dont know but it don't comes from the skunkman.
Sam the skunkman worked the line after that and so new directions were given to original haze, if you have seen some cultivators choice catalog you have seen that sam the skunkman offered many different pure original haze seeds lines.
All original haze seeds stock were brought by sam the skunkman in holland in the end and all haze hybrids use some original haze plant he brought or he bred.
However old timer haze seems different, maybe it was original haze bred to a thai or a colombian i dont know but it don't comes from the skunkman.
Jhonny
You mention Posi Haze resembled THH thats because it was the source of Tom's Stock .
I believe Old Timers Haze to be SC Haze stock pre Holland . Which would explain the great vigor . Im curious to hear Sams Opinions on the relation of OTH to his Stock
The seedman an Posi both come from Sams but its not clear if its the same Stock / or same parents . I think the Seedman is slow an not vigorous because as Sams states he was only try to preserve the Haze which started showing these signs of inbred depression in 81 .
Whats the Seedsman OHaze smell you refer to or what you say is now considered Haze Taste/smell ?
The traits you describe as Haze
These traits ive found very common in Adam Cs Haze hybrids .Aswell Ive experienced these traits Soapy floral pine in NYC Haze
What was your source of Pure Haze in the 90's ?
Remember Haze Died out in 81 /stopped being grown by the originator because of the inbred depression . If you never smoked Santa Cruz OHaze its a good chance you never smoked pure Haze
Interesting to hear your experience thanks for sharing
As Sirius Haze said Nevil has explained his Source of Haze in great Detail at Mns . It was 2 threads fillked with info . I kept askin question after question an he was filled with indepth details of his experience an what he was told .
quick quote below a few thousands seeds only 7 sprout an 2 males changed the scene forever
1luvbigherb
You mention Posi Haze resembled THH thats because it was the source of Tom's Stock .
I believe Old Timers Haze to be SC Haze stock pre Holland . Which would explain the great vigor . Im curious to hear Sams Opinions on the relation of OTH to his Stock
The seedman an Posi both come from Sams but its not clear if its the same Stock / or same parents . I think the Seedman is slow an not vigorous because as Sams states he was only try to preserve the Haze which started showing these signs of inbred depression in 81 .
Whats the Seedsman OHaze smell you refer to or what you say is now considered Haze Taste/smell ?
The traits you describe as Haze
These traits ive found very common in Adam Cs Haze hybrids .Aswell Ive experienced these traits Soapy floral pine in NYC Haze
What was your source of Pure Haze in the 90's ?
Remember Haze Died out in 81 /stopped being grown by the originator because of the inbred depression . If you never smoked Santa Cruz OHaze its a good chance you never smoked pure Haze
Interesting to hear your experience thanks for sharing
As Sirius Haze said Nevil has explained his Source of Haze in great Detail at Mns . It was 2 threads fillked with info . I kept askin question after question an he was filled with indepth details of his experience an what he was told .
quick quote below a few thousands seeds only 7 sprout an 2 males changed the scene forever
1luvbigherb
Original Haze hybrid i was experimenting with in the past.Bought the Original Haze seeds somewhere in 1994.Aroma was quite spicey and the flowering time was 4 months (July - October).High was good psychedelic.
Seedsman Original Haze
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the first haze I smoked was bought by my uncle in an Amsterdam CS around Christmas 88. And exactly the same thing was sold as "pure haze" in dutch CS all over the Netherlands till 92/93.
The buds looked deep green with yellow hairs and the taste was like smoking a green, floral and a bit soapy bud, fully covered with pine resin.
In other words: like smoking floral soapy tasting pure pine resin.
(no incense at all)
The positronics haze was more green, floral, sweet and soapy, without any pine taste. (no incense notes)
I have smoked hundreds of dutch haze hybrids and never found something that tasted like pure pine resin again since 92. Today the dutch hazes all taste sweet and lemony to me with sometimes a pine aftertaste, like SSH, C5 or what ever.
When you smoke them, the room smells like some kind of incense, but your palate do not really notice the incense when smoking it.
what is (or better was) considered as the haze taste/smell here in NL during the 90s-00s, was simply the kind of weed, that when it was smoked made the room, the floor, the house, the whole building or the whole place/street smell like some kind of frankincense and would fill and leave your palate with a very intense and addictive
incense taste when smoked.Most of the hybrids with this intense incense taste had a common green spicy smell to them that is difficult to describe.
And most of the vegging Seedsman Ohazes my friend is growing do have this green spicy smell. (I always thought this green smell would come from the NL5 ...)
The last commercial bud I found in the NL that had this addictive incense taste was the A5 about 10 years ago. It had no lemony taste and no sweetness at all, it tasted just like green spicy incense.
Karma is breeding a BX of it and if it is the real A5 then, in my opinion it will be one of the closest things in seed form to the hazes we used to have till 10 years ago.
I don't know the NYC Haze, but I've read alot about it, and I think we had the same thing here in NL till 98 when the things started to change negatively.
I remember a cut that was going around in southern NL 20 years ago called "Super Stinking Haze". It did not only smell like frankincense, no, it really smelled like a 100:1 frankincense concentrate
Hey Johny,
I sampled Karma's A5 and was able to confirm he has obtained the real deal. Likeyou mentioned, it doesnt have floral nor piney notes, it has this authentic haze aroma, heavy and strong aroma, will fill the room with its typical smell in no time.
When i read the description of the NYC Haze i cant help but think its reminescent of either A5 or a specific A5 dom pheno of NevsHz.
The stinky haze you mentioned was probably DTH or Dutch Top Haze, another haze A hybrid that was incredible in power and smell as most if not all A hybrids were. Either that one or SkunkHazeA, but this one has a extreme stinky aroma to it like rotten whale or something, very offputting but also very powerfull. However as far as i know, cause you cant be 100% sure re A5...., DTHaze didnt survive. It vanished from the southern dutch haze menu since the mid '90's.
Did you ever smoke AG13? This one (and i mean the original because they are some strains goin round which are also named AG13 but have got nothing to do with the original) also has some very nice aroma to it, very G13 dom with the madness of Haze A in it.
Then there is one more candidate, HashPlantHazeA, als very strong and potent but just like the DTH, vanished from the scene mid '90's.
C5, HPHazeC, and all other Haze C hybrids ar more floral and limoney, piney in aroma with whiffs of heavier Haze notes. Effects are more pleasant and up high compared to A hybrids that tend more to be overpowering and leave one burned out after a few smokes.
I sampled Karma's A5 and was able to confirm he has obtained the real deal. Likeyou mentioned, it doesnt have floral nor piney notes, it has this authentic haze aroma, heavy and strong aroma, will fill the room with its typical smell in no time.
When i read the description of the NYC Haze i cant help but think its reminescent of either A5 or a specific A5 dom pheno of NevsHz.
The stinky haze you mentioned was probably DTH or Dutch Top Haze, another haze A hybrid that was incredible in power and smell as most if not all A hybrids were. Either that one or SkunkHazeA, but this one has a extreme stinky aroma to it like rotten whale or something, very offputting but also very powerfull. However as far as i know, cause you cant be 100% sure re A5...., DTHaze didnt survive. It vanished from the southern dutch haze menu since the mid '90's.
Did you ever smoke AG13? This one (and i mean the original because they are some strains goin round which are also named AG13 but have got nothing to do with the original) also has some very nice aroma to it, very G13 dom with the madness of Haze A in it.
Then there is one more candidate, HashPlantHazeA, als very strong and potent but just like the DTH, vanished from the scene mid '90's.
C5, HPHazeC, and all other Haze C hybrids ar more floral and limoney, piney in aroma with whiffs of heavier Haze notes. Effects are more pleasant and up high compared to A hybrids that tend more to be overpowering and leave one burned out after a few smokes.
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Wow, this thread was really 'unstickyed' and a GG#4 thread got stickied instead... wtf?
Positronic's Haze was not pure. I remember reading an interview where it was stated it is a selection of a (Early?) Durban x Haze cross.
TFD and SM Haze (both probably from SamS) had the incense smell, a little bit of woody (sandalwood) smell and a very faint lemony component. Sometimes I thought it had a bit of carrot smell too.
Haze (in veg.) was not a strong smelling plant, even a bit hay-ish.
OT is full of shit regarding 'his' OTH. Just my opinion...
Positronic's Haze was not pure. I remember reading an interview where it was stated it is a selection of a (Early?) Durban x Haze cross.
TFD and SM Haze (both probably from SamS) had the incense smell, a little bit of woody (sandalwood) smell and a very faint lemony component. Sometimes I thought it had a bit of carrot smell too.
Haze (in veg.) was not a strong smelling plant, even a bit hay-ish.
OT is full of shit regarding 'his' OTH. Just my opinion...
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Bob Green
Durban Haze? First I have heard of that but it would be cool for sure. I have three packs of the THH to dig through.
Let me repeat myself. Sampled in the early to mid 70s from Santa Cruz
No incense smell whatsoever none anything other than pine hash smell is not real Haze! Also very small dime size buds on a stem. One hit and your off, a trip that you have to complete there's no coming down with a shower or coffee haha you have to wait it out. And you were paranoid to the extreme very trippy nothing compares I'm sorry to tell you. Keep looking though peace sdd
No incense smell whatsoever none anything other than pine hash smell is not real Haze! Also very small dime size buds on a stem. One hit and your off, a trip that you have to complete there's no coming down with a shower or coffee haha you have to wait it out. And you were paranoid to the extreme very trippy nothing compares I'm sorry to tell you. Keep looking though peace sdd
Positronics (old one of course) had both Haze19 and Haze19 x Skunk in their catalogue. Wernard and Sam's versions differ though
:What's your point on OT by the way? Don't know about the story but you just need to take a look at them to know they are heirlooms from tropical genetics, plus they totally look like red blooded colombians.
Vibes.
