question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Happy 7]

My point on OT is:
When I was pointed to his story how he as a guy in the UK got his hands on some old pre-Dutch Haze line, my bullshit radar went off big time. In my book he's just another guy who wants some attention for having something rare. When the reality is that he probably bought SM/TFD Haze one day and now claimes it's something that it's not... But like I said, just my opinion.

 

[Genghis Kush]

Has anybody ever tried Flying Dutchmens Original Haze?
Im wondering if it comes from Sensi

 

[sirius haze]

Has anybody ever tried Flying Dutchmens Original Haze?
Im wondering if it comes from Sensi

Flying Dutchmen was founded by Eddie Redeker and almost all the variety he bred comes from Sam the Skunkman seeds heritage or straight Sam the Skunkman variety, skunk#1, original haze, kerala/skunk, kerala/haze, durban poison/skunk#1, california orange/skunk#1. Now flying dutchmen was bought by sensiseeds it seems, their skunk#1 the pure stayed the same ime, i grow it from seeds since 10 years or so but i had no luck with their original haze 7 years ago, only germed 10 seeds and not a single one sprouted, maybe an old batch i dont know, usually i always have 90% germination rate with their skunk. i think original haze is a line who doesn't sell well, too tricky to grow because of the long flowering times and the low yield and too expenssive, on the other side skunk#1 is easy to grow, quick, cheap, big yield, homogenous from seeds, low odor and very nice balanced high. however haze high is on another level.

 

[Genghis Kush]

Flying Dutchmen was founded by Eddie Redeker and almost all the variety he bred comes from Sam the Skunkman seeds heritage or straight Sam the Skunkman variety, skunk#1, original haze, kerala/skunk, kerala/haze, durban poison/skunk#1, california orange/skunk#1. Now flying dutchmen was bought by sensiseeds it seems, their skunk#1 the pure stayed the same ime, i grow it from seeds since 10 years or so but i had no luck with their original haze 7 years ago, only germed 10 seeds and not a single one sprouted, maybe an old batch i dont know, usually i always have 90% germination rate with their skunk. i think original haze is a line who doesn't sell well, too tricky to grow because of the long flowering times and the low yield and too expenssive, on the other side skunk#1 is easy to grow, quick, cheap, big yield, homogenous from seeds, low odor and very nice balanced high. however haze high is on another level.

Thanks so much for the info. Very helpful.
Now I'm really interested in Flying Dutchmens stuff.
Especially the Kerala x Haze and Durban x Skunkhaze


Aloha,

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Has anybody ever tried Flying Dutchmens Original Haze?
Im wondering if it comes from Sensi

I've tried it once before. Bad germ rate and it didn't come out looking all that great, imho.

I can't post the link here to that thread for some reason, but it's in the TFD forum under Seedboutique vendors.

HB.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Original Haze seedling, the sexiest
0.4l pot, no nutes

 

[AlessOnFire]

Flying Dutchmen was founded by Eddie Redeker and almost all the variety he bred comes from Sam the Skunkman seeds heritage or straight Sam the Skunkman variety, skunk#1, original haze, kerala/skunk, kerala/haze, durban poison/skunk#1, california orange/skunk#1. Now flying dutchmen was bought by sensiseeds it seems, their skunk#1 the pure stayed the same ime, i grow it from seeds since 10 years or so but i had no luck with their original haze 7 years ago, only germed 10 seeds and not a single one sprouted, maybe an old batch i dont know, usually i always have 90% germination rate with their skunk. i think original haze is a line who doesn't sell well, too tricky to grow because of the long flowering times and the low yield and too expenssive, on the other side skunk#1 is easy to grow, quick, cheap, big yield, homogenous from seeds, low odor and very nice balanced high. however haze high is on another level.

How'd you rate this skunk#1 in a 1/10 scale? Is it worth it? Does it remembers to the old school skunk?

 

[MostlyMe]

Just posting here to tell the good folks of this thread I read the whole thing. Took me 4 sittings lol.

What I am happiest about learning is that haze is best when crossed. Seems like I made a good choice with the Purple Haze x Thai I have been growing - it should be a great example of true haze power. I got a very nice range of phenos, among which a real purple one and a very Thai leaning one. Here's the purple one:

What saddens me is that only a very small percentage of haze phenos are truly stellar. Not being able to grow large numbers, this means I will probably never get to try it.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

10 days later, the sexiest - 0.4l pot

 

[Corpsey]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=60061&pictureid=1417530View Image
10 days later, the sexiest - 0.4l pot

Is that beauty flowering? They can easily get 6 feet if you even veg them for just a small amount of time.

 

[LowFalutin]

...

What I am happiest about learning is that haze is best when crossed. Seems like I made a good choice with the Purple Haze x Thai I have been growing - it should be a great example of true haze power. I got a very nice range of phenos, among which a real purple one and a very Thai leaning one. Here's the purple one:
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What saddens me is that only a very small percentage of haze phenos are truly stellar. Not being able to grow large numbers, this means I will probably never get to try it.

MM-
Pretty lady you've got there.
I've grown both PHxT F3 and GHxT F3 from Ace.
Gotta agree with you re: "haze is best when crossed".

I hit Ace/CBG's Nepal Haze (NepHighland x OldTimerGH#6) with some GHxT pollen,
are the results are excellent- most phenos are stronger than either
parent... in a clean, clear amped-up haze kind of way (like a good Nev's Hz).
Just need to let it cure long enough, due to the nepalese.
Not one pheno with spooky introspection, as the nepalese
keeps things happy along with the amped-up haze effect (great combo).
The five ladies I've tried so far all finished flowering in the 10.5-11.25 week range-
even with the nepalese being only "25%" in the cross,
it's flowering-shortening effects are still in evidence.

Big thanks to Sam and all contributors/maintainers of the haze...
it still makes magic.

 

[MostlyMe]

MM-
Pretty lady you've got there.
I've grown both PHxT F3 and GHxT F3 from Ace.
Gotta agree with you re: "haze is best when crossed".

I hit Ace/CBG's Nepal Haze (NepHighland x OldTimerGH#6) with some GHxT pollen,
are the results are excellent- most phenos are stronger than either
parent... in a clean, clear amped-up haze kind of way (like a good Nev's Hz).
Just need to let it cure long enough, due to the nepalese.
Not one pheno with spooky introspection, as the nepalese
keeps things happy along with the amped-up haze effect (great combo).
The five ladies I've tried so far all finished flowering in the 10.5-11.25 week range-
even with the nepalese being only "25%" in the cross,
it's flowering-shortening effects are still in evidence.

Big thanks to Sam and all contributors/maintainers of the haze...
it still makes magic.

Sounds like an excellent cross you made, it's rare for 10-11 weekers to produce a clean haze effect. The only one I've encountered is Bangi Haze (even though it doesn't have haze in it).

I am very happy with my PHxT. I have 5 pheno, which range from mellowy introspective and blissful to rather energetic and... well, also blissful

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Is that beauty flowering? They can easily get 6 feet if you even veg them for just a small amount of time.

They have been vegged for 1 month and under 11/13 since 17 days.
The "sexiest" will be very easy to train compared to this female Oldtimers Haze.

 

[SoufLondon]

"spooky introspection" is such a good way to describe that feeling. Often accompanied by extreme irrational paranoia. I quite like it sometimes

 

[LowFalutin]

Sounds like an excellent cross you made, it's rare for 10-11 weekers to produce a clean haze effect.
The only one I've encountered is Bangi Haze (even though it doesn't have haze in it).
I am very happy with my PHxT. I have 5 pheno, which range from mellowy introspective and blissful to rather energetic and... well, also blissful

cheers MM.
I'm calling the cross thai-nepal haze for the moment.
btw, Bangi Haze also takes advantage of the same clear (after a cure), kind, fast-flowering Nepalese Highland,
sourced from reeferman I believe, and then worked a bit by Cannabiogen.

With my t-nh cross I was attempting a SSH-like recipe- but using two kinds of green Oldtimers Haze (#19 and #6),
and substituting the skunk and NL5 with meao thai and nepalese highland.
The Nepal Haze was okay on its own, but with it containing "50%" Nepalese, every pheno had a bit of softness to it.
Getting it down to "25%" in my cross let more of the freaky pslippery pslope to psychosis haze quality come through,
but still kept that psychosis on the happy-happy.


Here's pics of the PHxT F3 keeper I use for working with...



...shortest/butchest calyx hairs I've ever seen.
Even topped 4 times she still put out long dreads of vine-y stems.
I used a brother of the thai-nepal haze girls to pollinate the PHxT, and another long-flowerer- a Johnny Blaze F2...



...to see what halving the Nepalese component again (from 25% to 12.5%) does in the offspring.
And hope the cedar aroma and "frostiness everywhere" carries over from the JB F2.
But first, I'll probably pour through the remaining 25 thai-nepal haze seeds to see what I find, and make some F2s.

all the best

 

[LowFalutin]

"spooky introspection" is such a good way to describe that feeling.
Often accompanied by extreme irrational paranoia. I quite like it sometimes

cheers SL.
my mentor for the effect...

(ground control to Major Don)

keepin' it,
low

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Love It, LowFalutin, it's what I strive for myself. I call it Laser Eyes. Another tipoff is if I hear the lady at the beginning of the Star Trek TV show singing the intro, Ahhhhh Ahh Ahhh Ahhhh.

 

[Dave Coulier]

cheers MM.
I'm calling the cross thai-nepal haze for the moment.
btw, Bangi Haze also takes advantage of the same clear (after a cure), kind, fast-flowering Nepalese Highland,
sourced from reeferman I believe, and then worked a bit by Cannabiogen.

With my t-nh cross I was attempting a SSH-like recipe- but using two kinds of green Oldtimers Haze (#19 and #6),
and substituting the skunk and NL5 with meao thai and nepalese highland.
The Nepal Haze was okay on its own, but with it containing "50%" Nepalese, every pheno had a bit of softness to it.
Getting it down to "25%" in my cross let more of the freaky pslippery pslope to psychosis haze quality come through,
but still kept that psychosis on the happy-happy.


Here's pics of the PHxT F3 keeper I use for working with...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49930&pictureid=1271827View Image
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49930&pictureid=1267725View Image

...shortest/butchest calyx hairs I've ever seen.
Even topped 4 times she still put out long dreads of vine-y stems.
I used a brother of the thai-nepal haze girls to pollinate the PHxT, and another long-flowerer- a Johnny Blaze F2...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49368&pictureid=1267723View Image
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49930&pictureid=1371653View Image

...to see what halving the Nepalese component again (from 25% to 12.5%) does in the offspring.
And hope the cedar aroma and "frostiness everywhere" carries over from the JB F2.
But first, I'll probably pour through the remaining 25 thai-nepal haze seeds to see what I find, and make some F2s.

all the best

Low, my GN Thai Stick produced long stringy buds identical to your third picture. Although, the buds didn't begin like that. It only occured after I applied too high of N during flowering. Ive also had the same thing occure before with Skunkmans Haze x Skunk which I believe has some Thai in its makeup.

Judging from the clawing your plants are exhibiting, you may have overdone it on the N leading to the lanky bud structure. Go leaner on the N next time and I think you may see a difference in bud structure.

Still a pleasure to look at those sweet sativas.

 

[LowFalutin]

Low, my GN Thai Stick produced long stringy buds identical to your third picture. Although, the buds didn't begin like that. It only occured after I applied too high of N during flowering. Ive also had the same thing occure before with Skunkmans Haze x Skunk which I believe has some Thai in its makeup.
Judging from the clawing your plants are exhibiting, you may have overdone it on the N leading to the lanky bud structure. Go leaner on the N next time and I think you may see a difference in bud structure.
Still a pleasure to look at those sweet sativas.

cheers Dave. Interesting info and good advice.

pics 1,2 (PHxT F3) and 3 (JB F2) were from spring '14,
when those girls were going through "Darwin's flower chamber" (survival of the non-hermiest) selection process...
over-crowded (poor air quality), root-bound (for bonsai-sized growth, to be able to run at least some numbers),
re-used soil, light sched mishaps, etc.- to ID which girls won't be used to work with.

pic 4 was a reveg bonsai of the JB F2 in pic 3,
pollinated by a thai-nepal haze male.
close-up of that plant in pic 4...

got around 30 solid-looking seeds from it.
another icmagr has the stump and few remaining seeds.

She does throw a few hermies, even before late in flower, but...
she's got a scalp-tingling euphoria, and an aroma/taste that varies between light balsa wood and sweetish cedar...
so I'll "risk" the offspring and keep a close eye on them.


Additional things learned using the Darwinian* approach:

-dark-green phenos of GHxT herm easier than light-greens
(the light-green GHxT F3 I work with has never thrown one).
btw, the high from the darker-greens leans more one-notey, straight-forward sativa,
and lighter-green's more... like... high man.

-faster-flowering Nepal Haze phenos, and my fastest-flowering thai-nepal haze,
hermie easier than longer-flowering, hazier ones. Pure haze itself seems pretty solid.
"Oldtimer's Haze is completly hermie free, rare in a tropical line." -dubi
Here's the 12.5 week Nepal Haze mum I used (never hermed),
seeded up by a GHxT F3, to make the thai-nepal haze ...


-...and that PHxT stayed hermie-free despite it all.
here's a reveged bonsai of it,
pollinated by a thai-nepal haze male...


saludos


*one might argue that throwing hermies is the survival of the fittest

 

[JohnnyChicago]

"the sexiest" at day28 12/12
Not my favorite OH male, but will keep him.
Very interesting smell.