question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Lester Beans]

I for one and am sure many others would be very very excited to have the opportunity to purchase fresh or hell I don't even care if they are old, seeds from Sam.

Maybe Sam will have the time to send some gold in to the bou or bay this year.

I am not above begging lol

 

[red rider]

I appreciate you sharing info always

But this post adds some confusion

You said you First smoked OHaze in 71 soo how did you smoke the Lumbo that The Ohaze came from in 69 ?

Im curious as to the Traits on any of the 3 Lumbos you mentioned that were what started the OHaze .Ive asked but G didnt seem to recall much about the Punto Rojo

It makes sense the GH grown or even the mountain grown was Better becuase as mentioned the Handling /drying /storing .

Did you get Seeds of the unpressed Golden Thai you refer to as the best import ?


1luvbigherb

Good point about handling and shipping. I've never in my life knowingly smoked "Haze" as a matter of fact I've only heard about Haze online. I once grew a NLXHaze here in Colombia and it was very good. So I can't compare Haze to Colombian. I do however have years upon years of experience growing and consuming Colombian grown strains. I had the great lumbo from the past and I can offer this comparison, what is exported and what is not. Even the finest seedless Colombian that gets exported is field grown and sweat cured, then smashed into a brick. Then after all that abuse the bud is smuggled for thousands of miles before the consumer gets it. My point is whatever got to the USA is not the best Colombia produces or produced in the past. If you can only imagine how good the Colombian is that never made it to export compared to the old beat up Colombian that did. And those who can remember know that even export Colombian was one of the finest in the world.

 

[Corpsey]

How was the smoke?

It was quite intense. Long lasting. I still have some bubble hash left over from them, and I only use it on special occasions.

 

[BoldAsLove]

Hi Haze fans. I just wanted to post final smoke reports of my two favorite OT1 Haze plants. They were selected from a small lot of 11 females. I really love this stuff

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]#7

Smell: After drying, she had a raunchy combination of sage and leather. Now after 3 months in the jar, she has picked up a citrus perfume scent that now blends in with a more mild sage/leather/earth smell. Reminds me a little bit of the smell from a sample of Thai I once had.

Taste: This plant was a beast to grow indoors. It was the second longest flowering plant of the group at about 20 weeks. I didn't have space to keep up-potting, and because of time constraints, I had to use some techniques I don't particularly like using such as top-dressing N guano and making N guano EWC teas. As such, the smoked product is a bit harsh. So, I've mostly been vaping her. So when vaped, taste is orange lemon herbal earth. Like a mild citrus tea. Very pleasant.

Effect: Joy is the best word to describe it. It's a deep planted feeling of inner happiness and contentment. Verrrry social, and I'm not a social person by any stretch of the imagination. I can have long conversations with people and feel comfortable doing so with this plant. It's motivational, focused, positive, giggly, and spiritually/mentally euphoric. Makes me sing whatever is in my head out loud. There's a feeling of connectedness like we discussed earlier in the thread (trip weed thread). I love sitting and watching the birds and other wildlife live their lives. Great for creativity sessions with other people. I get a rush of warmth from my chest to the top of my head, and physical touch is enhanced a bit. I would feel comfortable calling it psychoactive and spiritual, but it stops short of psychedelic/trippy for me. So joyous and motivational though. Long effect with a nice afterglow. It's also been a very stable and consistent effect too. I vaped #7 before writing this post

#5

Smell: It's now been cured for 4.5 months. Still reminiscent of frankincense. Lemon/lime soda, sweet musky cedar wood, and black pepper. The earthy sweet smell of rain/wet forest is gone. Now it has that well cured air about it. When ground, that odd fruity smell still comes out. It's somewhere in the area of woody mango/spicy fruit punch.

Taste: There's the full frankincense. On the inhale and when in the air, it's like Omani frankincense. The exhale flavor is woody spicy musky mango punch.

Effect: Electric trippy joy

The first thing I always notice with this one is the strong uplifting feeling in my chest. It's like a ball of energy grows in my chest cavity, and then it moves up my neck and into the top of my head. I get a very strong feeling of pressure in and behind my eyes. The mental/spiritual euphoria is there, but not as much as #7. You can be social with it, but hopefully the other people partook of the same plant as well, because the conversation might venture way off into left field. I had a conversation that started off discussing aliens, that then turned into global social politics, and then it turned into creating comical definitions of different Southern California "bro" types LOL. All this was in a span of 20 minutes or so. Fun stuff. Really fun.
I get a lot of mental activity with her. Thoughts enter your head and quickly change into non-linear, abstract progressions of your original thought. I get multiple moderate sensory perception changes in this plant, especially in large doses. Visually, I get mild peripheral static and colors are very slightly enhanced. There are fleeting moments where things look fake/contrived, but it's not something that sticks. There are moments of audio hallucinations too where you hear something, and it takes you a split second to realize what it is and where it's coming from. Physical touch is enhanced a little more so than #7. This plant is perfect for experimental music improvisation for me. I've played some wild sounding stuff with #5. I love this plant. It's not as clear or focused as #7, but it's more so than the purple showing plants. Both #5 and #7 seem to have some pretty strong anti-depressant, socializing effects. Long duration and an awesome afterglow. I like smoking this plant in the morning because I can still feel the afterglow well into the afternoon hours. [/FONT]

 

[yesum]

^^ Great smoke report. Either plant sounds divine.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Is there any research report of the terpene profile of the frankie Haze??

Keep on growing

 

[SailerJerry]

Hey is that ot1 straight from old timer or from the ace stock

 

[dirty larry]

For anyone who still has Seedsman OH beans, I suggest you drop them soon and try to get some f2's if you wanna keep the strain alive. Last year, I went through 2 packs and tried soaking, scuffing, and scoring them with a razor, yet it wasn't until number twenty that I finally got desperate enough to gently squeeze it between the jaws of a sterile pair of nail clippers till I felt a "snap". It did turn out to be a beautiful lime colored female with "needles" for leaf blades, but after 80 days she was still stretching into a room full of mite dwelling pipe cleaners, so I trashed her.

 

[dirty larry]

BTW, Bigherb... you genuinely seem to be interested in working with this strain - I have another "tube" of them left that you are more than welcome to if you like,... I just don't have the time or patience. I would only ask you keep us informed of your progress. I can say that the first pix waveguide posted looks exactly like my gal did.

 

[tazz11]

first I want to thank all the sativa growers and breeders that posted a reply to this topic . I have been working with a 1969 Mekong Delta strain base unknown , we believe it is some how directly related to the Vietnamese Black strain base , this is a raw sativa that came back to the states in 1970 . it has never been crossed with anything yet and I have both genders .. now I was looking at what I have to cross it with but I want to isolate both genders in veg before I do anything ...many of the replies have added good info to help me define mates for this strain base ..

I was reading on the old haze but the Nev haze uses the 1969 breeding stocks ..and one being NL and I believe the other to be Old timer haze or old school haze if that's the case . Vietnam Black could be one of the breeders some where in the strains past ... I have been isolating a strain trait called hit & miss . its when a strain inverts its traits when it has been wild for so long and then becomes a breeder to a new cross it stops reflecting its true traits and they show back up latter in a few crosses down the line ...

now I can prove it when I breed this 1969 Abducted strain base but I have no idea what to breed this with and some of what you guys are saying may help ...this strain is totally unique to it self . it has a sativa high and grows like a sativa . but looks like some kind of jungle indicia ...

my point is clear . if this strain was the father strain of Vietnamese Black in the wild . it will reflect that in a cross with nev haze or NL ... .. dose this sound correct or am I wishful thinking ...?

if it is in their past breeding don't they have to show back crossing traits ...?

 

[tazz11]

as I set here with a raw pure 1969 strain base the word or effects of so called LSD strain traits are in fact true . this Abducted strain base has them ... about I would say a 1/2 hit of plotter vs. 4 hits of weed ...I am only smoking the leafs but I would guess the bud would reflect that ratio ...

 

[tazz11]

As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969?

Sam , I do have a strain that came from the Mekong Delta in 1969 . I have no idea if it has haze traits in it .. I do know it has sativa grow traits and looks like some kind of jungle indicia , it was found in the north west side of the delta up wind from where most Vietnamese strains were found in the south east part of the delta , could any of those strains (Haze ,NL )...used the 1969 Vietnamese Black as a breeder ?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Tazz

Original Haze was Colombian .
Other Sativas from imports added over the Seasons . The Thai came into the mix later .

Northern Lights was an Afghani inbred then crossed to Land races . The NL#5 used in the NVL`s Hz was Afghan x Hawaiian .

Nevil talks about Thai and Colombian phenos . I don`t understand that if the 1969 seeds were made from Colombian genes ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[tazz11]

G`day Tazz

Original Haze was Colombian .
Other Sativas from imports added over the Seasons . The Thai came into the mix later .

Northern Lights was an Afghani inbred then crossed to Land races . The NL#5 used in the NVL`s Hz was Afghan x Hawaiian .

Nevil talks about Thai and Colombian phenos . I don`t understand that if the 1969 seeds were made from Colombian genes ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

thanks for the reply
well the reason I ask . is someone said the old time haze had a soft or mild mango taste ..that's funny to me because that's what the Vietnamese Black and my strain have in common ...

the Abducted strain base has a mild mango taste and a smell like a wet rainforest ,and soft or ripe mango smell .

I have to agree with you on this one . for one reason ... Colombian did not have a strong smell it was almost none and differently not a ripe mango smell.. not any 70's Colombian I ever smoked ..
and I worked with the 1974 PR it had silver hairs like the Hawaiian strains I almost believe it was related to the Kona Bud strain base .. so I agree I think that someone said some things to keep people from knowing what the strain base
was made out of ...

another reason I say this is because the vet I got Abducted from said two of them in their squad picked up seeds from that patch of wide leaf sativa . he lived here on the east coast and the other guy lived in socal ....

see my point if the Hawaiian was made with the Vietnamese Black then it could have the ripe mango taste . the reason I say that is I believe the Abducted strain base is the father strain of Vietnamese Black.. it was found in a up wind direction from where most native sativa were found ...we believe it was the father strain and wind pollenated those other sativa from this odd wide leaf sativa if that's what it is . we hope to have it tested to see what its THC level is and that would prove what I believe is true about the strain base ...

I have worked with a few old school sativa but nothing even close to this Abducted strain base .. its going on 4 months in veg .... simple math tells me it has to be a 28-32 week flowering ...

is that why those strains could not be made again . it dose have a logical common interest ...the Abducted strain base was not named at the time of the early 70's . but it was in socal...and most would have believed it was nam Black at the time ...

I have to say Abducted and nam Black are sister strains .but out right Abducted is stronger then Nam Black and takes longer in veg and flowering ,and dose not look like a sativa ...

Thai was more like a null strain base the opium dip was in fact sprayed on and the Thai weed it self was crap ... back then ....modern hybrid Thai is lot different ...

I can not be positive until this Abducted strain base flowers out and then we can define what the real truth is ...

If I am correct and Nam black or this Abducted is the father of real Old school Haze ,if I am right . the strain is setting right here and is very much alive ....and is in fact from 1969...

I think they made the real strain base with the unknown sativa from Vietnam war and did not want to say so ...

I will gladly go on record . " i smoked Colombian and 4 or 5 hybrids and never once out of a few dozens times in the early and mid 70's ever saw it have a Mango flavor ..."

let me explain, if they found that socal Abducted strain and made the haze and then went back to remake it . and they tried using Nam Black it would not have made the same thing .,. the Abducted and nam Black are two totally different strain bases yet they share that mango flavor and if they did not know they were two different strain Nam Black would not have given the mix the strong high that Abducted has ,if nam black is a 9.5 Abducted is a 12 .wow ...!

see if Abducted was the father that pollenated Nam Black then when they cross nam Black with haze it would pull nam Black down not up . if you breed Abducted with haze that haze would come out at mock 10 ...lol

I don't buy that ,Haze is made from Colombian ...

 

[idiit]

i am running an apollo13 preservation atm of what i believe are a-13 f2's. the source bought one of the last packs of a-13 (500 made) and sent f1's out to many. the pheno's are really separating out. i have pics. in my albums. here's one of the hazey looking phenos:

plant is bigger now and i took some top fan leaves yesterday and fan dried them for a smoke terpene and possible potency/high effects early test. i actually got a very decent buzz that lasted over 2 hours on 1/2 of a phatty j. the high effects seemed like there might be some latent nl in there as it was a high with some body, and a little cloudy for a pure hz (per other's haze smoke reports). the smoke aroma (my main purpose) was very much like the smoke aroma off a colombian; not a smcg, more like pr. early stages, early testing. no more than that at this time.

 

[tazz11]

look up at what

BoldasLove says about the OT haze

"The earthy sweet smell of rain/wet forest is gone. Now it has that well cured air about it. When ground, that odd fruity smell still comes out. It's somewhere in the area of woody mango/spicy fruit punch."

tazz11 says

"the Abducted strain base has a mild mango taste and a smell like a wet rainforest ,and soft or ripe mango smell "


it sounds like we are both talking about the same strain ..

 

[bigherb]

Is there any research report of the terpene profile of the frankie Haze??

Keep on growing

We cant even get a description of the Frankies Haze stock from Chimera ,I wouldn't exspect a report of a terpene profile

Though im curious what his work might reveal

BTW, Bigherb... you genuinely seem to be interested in working with this strain - I have another "tube" of them left that you are more than welcome to if you like,... I just don't have the time or patience. I would only ask you keep us informed of your progress. I can say that the first pix waveguide posted looks exactly like my gal did.

Appreciate the love brother

G`day Tazz

Original Haze was Colombian .
Other Sativas from imports added over the Seasons . The Thai came into the mix later .

Northern Lights was an Afghani inbred then crossed to Land races . The NL#5 used in the NVL`s Hz was Afghan x Hawaiian .

Nevil talks about Thai and Colombian phenos . I don`t understand that if the 1969 seeds were made from Colombian genes ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Sup Unc EB

I think the reason Nevil spoke of Thai phenos is because it is the closest he can relate to the terpene profile of his Haze parent/s . As we know different NLD can share the same/similiar terpenes

But i have to say it is intriguing he assumed / Believed his Haze stock to have Thai blood .Considering he stated Sams spoke of Burning Bush being an ancestor to his stock

Now back to 69 WTF does Burning Bush have to do with 69 .Well until genetic anaylsis can/are done we may never know ,Because Sams hasn't given specific info on the Haze stock he has spread/sold


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Tazz

Sup brother

You have posted a thread on your mekong strain please stay on the Topic of OHaze in this thread .Because youve gone wayyy off


OHaze comes from Punto Rojo bagseed being crossed in 1969 . No Vietnam or Cambodian genetics involved at any point in time . Ive done an article on the origin it has been confirmed by Sams here some time ago an no one has debated that Colombian is the foundation since day one


There are similiar terpenes in many strains especially comparing NLD with each other or WLD with each other


1luvbigherb

 

[sdd420]

Original haze was sweet and pine no incense very small buds and very spear like thin and small but not wispy either dime size buds on a stem basically

 

[bigherb]

Original haze was sweet and pine no incense very small buds and very spear like thin and small but not wispy either dime size buds on a stem basically

Great to hear your experience thanks for sharing


What year did you smoke OHaze ? Was your source in SC ?

Anymore details are greatly appreciated


1luvbigherb