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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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TheDarkStorm
Well-known member
We can agree to disagree..thats ok....alot of people think haze has thai buired in it....the things most similar to it are usualy thai x lumbo...such as destroyer...an the mullum....even ot1's line seems to be lumbo but have some southeast asin type buried in ther....so its a valid argument...but if we dont agree thats ok...
if its misinterpreted , then its not a fact hempy ,
why to you continue to be like this ,
your belief that burning bush was a thai hybrid is incorrect,
why not just stand corrected rather than defending something that has been proven to be wrong ,
i mentioned earlier the difference between using quotes and assuming they are facts vs actual facts ..
lets not continue this please , its just silly ....
"original haze is a hybrid of a few colombians originally made by the "haze brothers" with no thai" says the guy who brought it to the world ,
so in future when we reference the term "original haze" it must be exactly that , so we can save future confusion ....
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Donald using quotes from Sam/ Nevil/ Shanti and Tom is important they are the people in the industry that worked with haze and help spread it.
Sam was the guy that took Haze to Holland so who do you suggest we use as a sauce of information BigHerb ?.
No i will use Sam / Nevil / Shanti and Toms posts for my information thanks.
Sam was the guy that took Haze to Holland so who do you suggest we use as a sauce of information BigHerb ?.
No i will use Sam / Nevil / Shanti and Toms posts for my information thanks.
i dont know what kinda sauce big herb is , probably some kinda herb sauce no doubt, ahha .. sorry bh i had too ...
but yes your right in most instances that would be the best places and people to get information from
however , as far as whats in the "sauce" ,, ie the ingredients of the original plants and when they were produced etc ,, sam is the best one to get that information from as he is the one that was there and did it ...
it takes a bit of reading into things sometimes that all man ,
folks can sometimes misread information , or the information is phrased in a way that makes misreading easily done ,
i understand this and have been victim of it myself as have many ,
takes a man to admit it though ...
but yes your right in most instances that would be the best places and people to get information from
however , as far as whats in the "sauce" ,, ie the ingredients of the original plants and when they were produced etc ,, sam is the best one to get that information from as he is the one that was there and did it ...
it takes a bit of reading into things sometimes that all man ,
folks can sometimes misread information , or the information is phrased in a way that makes misreading easily done ,
i understand this and have been victim of it myself as have many ,
takes a man to admit it though ...
TheDarkStorm
Well-known member
Ther wer obviously things being called haze before the term original haze was put together...ot1s line comes from one...its around still and even looks like its made up of very old plants..just like skunk was around before the term original skunk #1 was put together.....who knows exactly wat was passed to the brothers...they believe it was lumbo...ot1's line to the untraind eye can look pure lumbo...sam says lumbos wer added to wat ever was passed on in 1969 to the brothers..an thats fine....but like I said before unless someone has samples of wat ever was passed on in 69 we just cant chek exactly wat it was ...Sam wasnt ther in 69 Donald...he come on the scean later an can only say wat he knows.
Funny thing is just like someone else says...ot1 says ther wasnt just one single line but others too...he actually had some of them too..ther wer sevral haze lines he had...only he lost them becase the seed got so old...an the the people he sent them out to aswel failed to reproduce them before the seed got to old aswell...thanks to wolf man the one line was saved..these wer all lines dating back to the 60's
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Sam didn't create Haze others did and they were not breeders they were commercial growers who used good seed from there best plants to make seed for the following grow season and they created what we now call Haze.
The first Haze was the best even Sam says this all we can hope for as growers decades later is for plants to express quality's of there ancestors as good as we can expect.
That is the history of Haze not that complicated to understand.
The first Haze was the best even Sam says this all we can hope for as growers decades later is for plants to express quality's of there ancestors as good as we can expect.
That is the history of Haze not that complicated to understand.
T
TakenByTheSky
I wonder how much of these stories are just nostalgia. 40 something years and probably hundreds if not thousands of haze plants grow from then yet nothing could ever compare to the plants from back then, nothing ever popped out that could be better as if every pheno by every grower has been examined and it's been determined nope 79 haze was the best there ever was.
TheDarkStorm
Well-known member
The best would probably be slightly different to different individuals....different people like different things....best to just go with wat suits you.
But wen getting technical...an you have a multiple plant hybrid were the power seems to be coming from the base plants, then getting close to them as possible would be best for breeding...
But valid thought taken...this is why it would be good to have a open haze cup...so we can see wats happened all these years later
from what you are saying it seems to indicate someone passed them some seeds called haze?? or at least passed them some seed?
however from memory i seem to recall sam saying they purchased colombian pot and got the seed from that , how they know what it was i guess is information privy to them ,
why they called it haze , also i have no idea ,
nor do i know much about that old timers haze that you are mentioning , though hempy certainly has mentioned what he knows about it on occasion so he may be the guy to ask some information on that , he seemed to think its not haze for reasons only he can answer darkie ..
was it even in 69 (is that a date you mention due to the supposed seed pack with that written on it according to nevil)?? , ,again i dont have that information ,
though im pretty sure sam would know since they were his neigbours and i gather he asked as many questions as he could about the stuff .... and im sure he tells as much as he knows as accurately as he is able...
no point in us speculating about things we dont have information on i dont reckon ....
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Were these reproductions from seedsman stock by madmac ever on the boo or bay? Just wondering if i should keep an eye out for another release.
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
Great idea Ojd!
Only that SamS should provide Original Haze seeds to the people and we all grow them out. That way he could start doing his field scale selections tomorrow without the need of a field.
That would make the Haze scene really advance.
And I guess a cup only for true 50% (or 75%) Haze hybrids would be useful too for the Haze scene...
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Johnny i think All haze and Haze hybrids of no less than 50% haze should be allowed and entered.
Entry's should be numbered so people testing have no clue of the origin of the Haze sample.
I think if Sam is up for it he should be one of the judges.
Sampling should be done over a extended period and only the top contenders smoked at the event then judged.
Entry's should be numbered so people testing have no clue of the origin of the Haze sample.
I think if Sam is up for it he should be one of the judges.
Sampling should be done over a extended period and only the top contenders smoked at the event then judged.
This is a discourse as old as the world ... Thai, lumbo ... It could even be Congolese, who knows .... or even contain some of the first indicas ....
We will never know "the truth" after over 40 years ....
But we can grow these blessed plants, and confirm or deny many ideas about them ...
Just like many people have done for a few years ...
We will never know "the truth" after over 40 years ....
But we can grow these blessed plants, and confirm or deny many ideas about them ...
Just like many people have done for a few years ...
I myself dont have space for the Original Haze challenge but welcome this and would love to see the best found.
MadMac
far beyond driven...
YES
i'm in hehe
well before it get's complicated...
do a double cup ...
pure Original-Haze
and Haze hybrids...
because it's a huge difference between yield flower structure and high...
would really love to have all those "pure" haze in one group to compare..
would put my OHz x THH as entry for da pure
but maybe my S1 is even better... soon i'll know...
so yes let's do it...
A'dam would be best me think...
and if SamS would be in the jury ...
maybe KarmaG would like too...
Summer 2021
corona is gone and the first haze cup takes place...
news call it: the haze is back event :yay:
a legend returns ...
thx @ all... i'm in
M.
Also Sam has access to many fields,
greenhouses etc etc that if he really wanted to he would of already done it.
Sam has made Millions of Original Haze seeds sold to many seed co's Flying dutchman , seedsman and others over the last 3 decades and i think if we were going to find what we were looking for it would of already been found in those millions of O Haze seeds.
Im not saying
good stuff cant be found but we are 30 years on and still looking ?
greenhouses etc etc that if he really wanted to he would of already done it.
Sam has made Millions of Original Haze seeds sold to many seed co's Flying dutchman , seedsman and others over the last 3 decades and i think if we were going to find what we were looking for it would of already been found in those millions of O Haze seeds.
Im not saying
good stuff cant be found but we are 30 years on and still looking ?
