question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[TheDarkStorm]

Just to clarify- this is ONLY for (Near) Pure Haze varieties, correct?- that can include:

Original Haze (SamS or Todd)
Original Haze (Seedsman, Positronic, TFD, Sensi?)
Nevil's Haze (Neville, Mr. Nice, Greenhouse)
Haze A, Haze C, or Haze AC (Neville, other)
Tom Hill's Haze (Tom Hill, Raco, MadMac)

Are there any other known sources that I've missed? Obviously there are some Haze's in the hands of others here that come from personal sources but they are accepted as Pure, True, No-Doubt-About-It, Unmolested Haze. This is fine, too.

I guess since we're including Nevil's Haze, this means that the '5' varieties are in play, too. So A5/C5, etc should be considered?

Where do we draw the line on how hybridized/worked the Haze entry can be? OJD, you've got the goods in SSSDH/others- is that in play, as well?

Should we get a thread going over in the ICCup sub-forum to discuss and lay down all the particulars?

I did ask ojd about this earlier...if it would be a open haze type category...meaning as long as it has the haze genes in we'l go by that....seeing as ther is no real way to see what is actually real haze cuz no one has a sample right now of the line that was given to the haze bros in 1969....so I think as long as it can be traced back to the haze that sam used or nevil used it should be fare game...the rest we'l let the judges decide....hopefully thers judges that know the haze....
Ps haze AC is nlhz x skhz...but stil fare game in my opinion...we should defo get a thread going...

 

[bsgospel]

Gotcha, must have missed that. I tuned out for a while and just recently tuned back in.

 

[Nexus7]

Just to clarify- this is ONLY for (Near) Pure Haze varieties, correct?- that can include:

Original Haze (SamS or Todd)
Original Haze (Seedsman, Positronic, TFD, Sensi?)
Nevil's Haze (Neville, Mr. Nice, Greenhouse)
Haze A, Haze C, or Haze AC (Neville, other)
Tom Hill's Haze (Tom Hill, Raco, MadMac)

Are there any other known sources that I've missed? Obviously there are some Haze's in the hands of others here that come from personal sources but they are accepted as Pure, True, No-Doubt-About-It, Unmolested Haze. This is fine, too.

I guess since we're including Nevil's Haze, this means that the '5' varieties are in play, too. So A5/C5, etc should be considered?

Where do we draw the line on how hybridized/worked the Haze entry can be? OJD, you've got the goods in SSSDH/others- is that in play, as well?

Should we get a thread going over in the ICCup sub-forum to discuss and lay down all the particulars?

I think you should let Oldtimer's Haze in.

Original Cup - ohz only
Haze cup - ohz thh nh oth
Hybrid cup - a5 c5 skxhz jh ssh mh sssdh piff amnesia hz etc
Progenitor cup - lumbo thai

 

[bsgospel]

I like it! That solves a lot, actually.

 

[TakenByTheSky]

Here is a plate full of Sam skunkmans original haze x skunk, haze Dom pheno with about an 18 week flowering time.

This is a few months cured at this point. I literally smoke this weed every single day, I have lots of great strains, cookies, chems, grapefruit etc...I choose this every time.

It fills the room with the most aromatic, light incense smell and smokes like pure medication for the mind.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I would rather ther was a open haze cup...rather than restricting it to a ohz cup...burning bush was a hybrid of plants making a haze, mr greasy was a hybrid of types making haze, so was crem''de'la' crem...original haze was a named ibl line ..but they wer all considered haze....we want to know once an for all wat haze types are the strongest....restrictions on types only limits the overall best of all haze types....in my opinion as long as ther are legit haze genes involved it should be all good.
Eg If you restrict it like that in the ohz category its guaranteed 1 sampleof ohz will win...meaning ohz has no competetion...it would just be who can grow the one variety the best...I can predict the results for that category....ohz will be no.1....an then people will just declare it king of hazes....but it wont be remebered that it had no contenders in that category.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Just to clarify- this is ONLY for (Near) Pure Haze varieties, correct?- that can include:

Original Haze (SamS or Todd)
Original Haze (Seedsman, Positronic, TFD, Sensi?)
I do not think SINSI has pure OHaze?
Nevil's Haze (Neville, Mr. Nice, Greenhouse)
Not pure OHaze
Haze A, Haze C, or Haze AC (Neville, other)
Tom Hill's Haze (Tom Hill, Raco, MadMac)

Are there any other known sources that I've missed? Obviously there are some Haze's in the hands of others here that come from personal sources but they are accepted as Pure, True, No-Doubt-About-It, Unmolested Haze. This is fine, too.

I guess since we're including Nevil's Haze, this means that the '5' varieties are in play, too. So A5/C5, etc should be considered?

Where do we draw the line on how hybridized/worked the Haze entry can be? OJD, you've got the goods in SSSDH/others- is that in play, as well?

Should we get a thread going over in the ICCup sub-forum to discuss and lay down all the particulars?

Pure OHaze is only OHaze it is like a virgin, either it is or it is Not you can not be an almost virgin>

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I would rather ther was a open haze cup...rather than restricting it to a ohz cup...burning bush was a hybrid of plants making a haze, mr greasy was a hybrid of types making haze, so was crem''de'la' crem...original haze was a named ibl line ..but they wer all considered haze....we want to know once an for all wat haze types are the strongest....restrictions on types only limits the overall best of all haze types....in my opinion as long as ther are legit haze genes involved it should be all good.

Not true Burning Bush was a pure OHaze that looked a bit Thai but was not.
Mr Greasy was a pure OHaze
Cream de La cream was a pure OHaze
I started the seeds that grew those plants, they were all OHaze.

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I think you should let Oldtimer's Haze in.

Original Cup - ohz only
Haze cup - ohz thh nh oth
Hybrid cup - a5 c5 skxhz jh ssh mh sssdh piff amnesia hz etc
Progenitor cup - lumbo thai

I thought OldTimers Haze was a hybrid?

-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I honestly have nothing against OHaze hybrids as long as they are great.
But they are not Pure OHaze if that matters?
If you use a Haze hybrid as a parent you are passing on Non-OHaze genes to the progeny good or bad.

-SamS

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Not true Burning Bush was a pure OHaze that looked a bit Thai but was not.
Mr Greasy was a pure OHaze
Cream de La cream was a pure OHaze
I started the seeds that grew those plants, they were all OHaze.

-SamS

Yes I agree sam...wat I ment was it had a mother an father....still considered pure haze ...as would of haze from 1970 an 1980...but they had different parents....no?..I know you started the seed and named them...they came from original stock ..yes ?
Anyway point is you cant just have one variety enter a cup...cus then it will win without competition.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I thought OldTimers Haze was a hybrid?

-SamS

Old timers haze comes from the comunes sam ..he says ther wer guys up ther doing a few different combinations using similar plants that they wer calling haze (note; not original haze)in the mid 60's to very early 70's

 

[TakenByTheSky]

I honestly have nothing against OHaze hybrids as long as they are great.
But they are not Pure OHaze if that matters?
If you use a Haze hybrid as a parent you are passing on Non-OHaze genes to the progeny good or bad.

-SamS

You can see that even from a 50/50 hybrid like the one made with skunk the haze just steam rolls over the skunk.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Not true Burning Bush was a pure OHaze that looked a bit Thai but was not.
Mr Greasy was a pure OHaze
Cream de La cream was a pure OHaze
I started the seeds that grew those plants, they were all OHaze.

-SamS

just thought id quote that again and highlight the part that some folks seem to be mixed up over ,
hempy quotes it all the time trying to indicate original haze had thai in it ,
its nice to see it written now as it is undeniable what was meant by the original statement but taken a little out of context by some users ..

thanks for clearing that up sam ....

 

[Benny106]

What makes a thai a thai?

 

[Donald Mallard]

What makes a thai a thai?

is that a trick question mr beAn .. lol ..

 

[leet]

The Nevils haze can give you 16-18 week almost pure haze plants and they smoke much better than any Positronics/TFD/HGF/Seedsman Original Haze. If I gave you 16 week Nevils Haze you would never know there is any NL5 in there , only the plants were MUCH better because they were outcrossed and backcrossed, probably also Nevil had the better hazes. Original Haze by Positronics/TFD/HGF/Seedsman was more thai and generally only 5% good plants and clearer ( why call it haze if the high is clear ? ).



We know because we grew them all and Nevil had the best hazes, the Colombian frankincense type, not the Thai version by Positronics/TFD/HGF/Seedsman.


Lets make it a haze cup and not an original haze cup because the original haze is not as good as the 14-18wk Nevils Haze.

 

[Benny106]

is that a trick question mr beAn .. lol ..

I just want to know what to look for. L33t its down to opinion on the nl5 in haze, i agree the plants are better etc but i want it without the bld blood.

Obviously i would smoke nevs haze and love it.

 

[vanilla dutch]

nuthin better than haze bros. haze. check my albums....

 

[Benny106]

is that a trick question mr beAn .. lol ..

If the burning bush like hazes are the goal, both sam and tom elude to this. What is it about them that makes them stand out apart from flowering time.

Back in the day nevs haze was listed as colombian/thai x nl and haze was listed as a four way mex x colombian x thai x kerala, this is now old fake news post phylos.

Multiple people who know weeds say that there are thai like hazes, i just want to know what that is phenotype wise.