question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Donald Mallard]

Weird coincidence for you donald...after shanti baba came out with that the seed nevil used was 1969 or earlier stock...it was only then revealed by sam that thats wen the brothers first sourced seed an started working a line........big herb got this info too from someone who was actually part of that haze crew wich also confirms this....Tod also backs up the 1969 date as the date the haze crew sourced an later started ther thing an you know wer his info comes from.

why is that a coincidence for me darkie ??



what about the rest of what i wrote , your suggestion they were handed seeds rather than they pulled the seed out of weed they purchased??

sam has said over and over that he didnt give away any original seeds from the haze brothers , do you doubt that ??

 

[Dr.Young]

The only thing is... the Mangohaze in what I have is the tester release .. So whatever formula changed happened... I got one of the earlier lines of Mango and... its definitely Piff.
It looks to me like all these hazes from all breeders look legit.... Most probably source from Mrnice still like they always have... Sams haze skunk pics look glorious too.. I think it just comes down to selection and finding stuff where the incense isnt outshined or a backnote.... I think a lot of people are finding it and dont even realize what they have, or what piff is.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

why is that a coincidence for me darkie ??



what about the rest of what i wrote , your suggestion they were handed seeds rather than they pulled the seed out of weed they purchased??

sam has said over and over that he didnt give away any original seeds from the haze brothers , do you doubt that ??

Who told you that Donald...cuz the old ledgend was one of the surfing youngers wer passed the seed....im sure this is wat sam says too an big herbs guy who is one of the haze crew say the same...Iv never seen anything about anyone buying weed an pulling it out of that....I know sam has collected seed from weed....maybe you could refer me to a quote...
Donald sam has also said he gave nevil seed he made himself in Holland....do you think thats possible

 

[Dr.Young]

If he could grow haze and sell the seeds within a week of being in holland that would make sense.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Buy the way it dont mater...original haze is sams line collected from the haze bros....if you want original haze then get that simple....its thanks to sam we still have that
Just like if I want original skunk #1 get something traceble back to sam....but if I want the older older skunks id look elswer....its pretty simple

 

[Donald Mallard]

Who told you that Donald...cuz the old ledgend was one of the surfing youngers wer passed the seed....im sure this is wat sam says too an big herbs guy who is one of the haze crew say the same...Iv never seen anything about anyone buying weed an pulling it out of that....I know sam has collected seed from weed....maybe you could refer me to a quote...
Donald sam has also said he gave nevil seed he made himself in Holland....do you think thats possible

im pretty sure thats what i read written by sam,
the brothers purchased colombian weed ,
maybe they had a market for it and as a result also grew some??



its not new news that each year they mated what they had with something else ,, hence it being a 3 way hybrid of colombians ,
this would indicate that they made the final creation and were not handed it by anyone wouldnt it ??

that seems pretty obvious and is common information darkie , dunno how you missed it ,
the way your saying someone else did that and then handed them the finished product and even the name ,, i dont ever recall seeing sam write that ...



why is it not possible sam handed seed to nevil that he had made in holland ??

he said thats what he did isnt it ?? what makes it not possible ??

 

[TheDarkStorm]

im pretty sure thats what i read written by sam,
the brothers purchased colombian weed ,
maybe they had a market for it and as a result also grew some??



its not new news that each year they mated what they had with something else ,, hence it being a 3 way hybrid of colombians ,
this would indicate that they made the final creation and were not handed it by anyone wouldnt it ??

that seems pretty obvious and is common information darkie , dunno how you missed it ,
the way your saying someone else did that and then handed them the finished product and even the name ,, i dont ever recall seeing sam write that ...



why is it not possible sam handed seed to nevil that he had made in holland ??

he said thats what he did isnt it ?? what makes it not possible ??

Donald your puting words in my mouth....first up lets see if we can find a single qoute from sam saying the haze bros purchesd lumbo weed an picked out seed in 1969 to start the line...next I said they collected something in 1969..i didnt say they collected seed called haze.....an just like you say an we know each year they added to this...meaning 1971 was one hybrid...1972 something else was added..ect all the way upto 1975 wen they ibl'd the line...this was then continued to be inbred upto 1980 wen it failed to produce properly due to being inbred too much....they made posters in 1975/76 calling ther ibl line original haze.....but wat they had in 1970,1971, 1972,1973, an 1974 was still all haze although atleast one parent would have been different evry year....an all I said was no one had a sample of wat they had in 1969.....so we cant analize it..
Oh by the way if you think its possible to make at least 6 different generations of plants all with at least one different parents in less than 6 days then yeah nevil may have had stock made in holland....but id like to know how to do that miraculous feat.
But just to clarify...im not questioning sam wen he said he gave nevil stuff he made in Holland..this is true too...as he did hand him a couple of clones from stuff he made in Holland...an sam says he still may have those clones..but the first seeds given nevil are not from Holland made stock.

 

[bigherb]

But just to clarify...im not questioning sam wen he said he gave nevil stuff he made in Holland..this is true too...as he did hand him a couple of clones from stuff he made in Holland...an sam says he still may have those clones..but the first seeds given nevil are not from Holland made stock.

????

I’m extremely curious
How would you know anything about the deal between Sams and Nevil

1luvbigherb

 

[TheDarkStorm]

????

I’m extremely curious
How would you know anything about the deal between Sams and Nevil

1luvbigherb

Ah big herb...I had some freinds in Holland around that time...but to be honest I thought it was in the first month of sam being in Holland he looked up nevil...that was futher clarified by sam to..it was in the first week.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Picture from harvest reaper....sams Ohz recived from tod....thought is was a beautiful specimen so putting the picture up here.....
Hope you dont mind harvest reaper

 

[RoyalFlush]

It's all about Ego and $$$.

 

[Donald Mallard]

AnatomiclySound,
"First things first, you should be aware I have alot of respect for you. But I have to say that Ive got first hand knowledge from those involved at MNS that contradict your story of giving Neville the seeds that ultimately went into the Nevilles Haze. They can and do trace their haze stock back to 1969 and I have absolutely no reason to doubt their words."
"Originally Posted by shantibaba :Nh is made from Haze C male which is made by two pure haze parents from 1969....then the female side of NH is made from Haze A combined to NL5 or NL5Haze A where Haze A was also made by two pure Haze parents also from 1969"

You do not have first hand anything as none of the people at MNSeeds were even around when I showed Neville his first Original Haze, he had never seen it before, he told me so, it was in 84, and Shantibaba was not even in Holland. I like Shantibaba and he just does not know the facts because he was not here, and/or he has been misled by others.
As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS

So fine, where did they come from in 1969 as the Haze Brothers never made extra seeds or sold seeds? It is a nice story but it has no basis in facts. Unless you can explain where the seeds came from in 1969 it is all just a bunch of talk. I don't think Shantibaba knows the real truth, he was not there in 1969, and anyone could of made up anything about seeds to sell them to MNSeed Co, but I bet if you ask he got them from Neville, and then I do know the truth and it is not as you say.

Anyway enough of this, you were not there, you are repeating the stories of others who were not their, no one you talk to was there, and it is a waste of my time to argue with somone who in fact does not have any idea or know the truth about what happened in 1969 or 1984 with Original Haze.
You have no idea how close I was to the Haze Bros and it bum's me out that people so far removed form the events try and tell me what happened, remember I was there.

-SamS

I am sure Shantibaba would tell the truth if he knew the truth, but he was told these FACTS by Neville whom I know tells lies. But please no more about this, I find it upsetting too argue the facts with someone that has them second or third hand. It is a waste of my time to be honest I don't like it.

I mean Neville sold all my varieties to Sinsi Seeds when he closed the Seed Bank, for big $ and then I told Ben they were never Neville's to sell in the first place and I had spent years developing them, I don't blame Ben but I do think Neville is not someone that you go to to find the truth, unless it is to his advantge to tell the truth.

-SamS

Donald your puting words in my mouth....first up lets see if we can find a single qoute from sam saying the haze bros purchesd lumbo weed an picked out seed in 1969 to start the line...next I said they collected something in 1969..i didnt say they collected seed called haze.....an just like you say an we know each year they added to this...meaning 1971 was one hybrid...1972 something else was added..ect all the way upto 1975 wen they ibl'd the line...this was then continued to be inbred upto 1980 wen it failed to produce properly due to being inbred too much....they made posters in 1975/76 calling ther ibl line original haze.....but wat they had in 1970,1971, 1972,1973, an 1974 was still all haze although atleast one parent would have been different evry year....an all I said was no one had a sample of wat they had in 1969.....so we cant analize it..
Oh by the way if you think its possible to make at least 6 different generations of plants all with at least one different parents in less than 6 days then yeah nevil may have had stock made in holland....but id like to know how to do that miraculous feat.
But just to clarify...im not questioning sam wen he said he gave nevil stuff he made in Holland..this is true too...as he did hand him a couple of clones from stuff he made in Holland...an sam says he still may have those clones..but the first seeds given nevil are not from Holland made stock.

its hard to search through all the quotes darkie and i just dont have time , but here is what big herb wrote in his summery of the haze story ,
he can tell you where he got the information ..



In 1969, the riverside SoCal surfer backcrossed his punto rojo bagseed in what might be the luckiest” accident. This accident would go on to become most famous cannabis strain of all time. The pollen chuck created a very large amount of seed which was used for the duration of its existence.


as far as what seed sam gave nevil , it might be in the quotes i listed above ,, seeds given to him in the 80s made in 76 , he definitely says not 69 as you can see ...

and as u can also says he said he made the seed and never sold any seeds that came from the haze brothers ,,
i think i cleared up your misunderstandings ???

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[bsgospel]

Icmag420 cup

April 17-20

Yes i would like to suggest a Haze category if this Haze category takes of like i hope it will.

Also i ask that more Haze Connoisseur's be the judges not just any normal icmag judge

Let's do it, gang. Everyone send in your haze or forever hold your peace. The endless forum backbiting sucks. These arguments go nowhere. Do the damn thing.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

You don't maybe have some extra pics of the VB X Laos by any chance, would love to see how that did.

The VB x Laos is still going...very leafy like mom, but the buds are starting to develop nicely.

HB.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Sam has made Millions of Original Haze seeds sold to many seed co's Flying dutchman , seedsman and others over the last 3 decades and i think if we were going to find what we were looking for it would of already been found in those millions of O Haze seeds.

Im not saying
good stuff cant be found but we are 30 years on and still looking ?

Don't tell that to me, Ojd.
I did buy and grow the very last Seedsman Haze seed packs thinking it was hay because that's what people was calling it for 20 years, hay. But found my holy grail plant in a Panama x Original Haze cross. Not in the commercial Hazes, that often aren't what they are supposed to be. I'm not speaking of yours of course!

My expectations were very low when I did grow Seedsman OH.
But the expectations of the people who are or will be growing it now are very very high... So just let's wait a little for more reports.

I'm also not sure if OH has ever been grown as often as it is being now. Not for the last 20 years I guess. And I have nothing against a Haze hybrid cup or a cup for the best of all hazes. May be one day you can try my Pan-o-Haze cut that is a good representation of what I do like in the OH and in the Hazes in general.

 

[Raho]

Don't tell that to me, Ojd.
I did buy and grow the very last Seedsman Haze seed packs thinking it was hay because that's what people was calling it for 20 years, hay. But found my holy grail plant in a Panama x Original Haze cross. Not in the commercial Hazes, that often aren't what they are supposed to be. I'm not speaking of yours of course!

My expectations were very low when I did grow Seedsman OH.
But the expectations of the people who are or will be growing it now are very very high... So just let's wait a little for more reports.

I'm also not sure if OH has ever been grown as often as it is being now. Not for the last 20 years I guess. And I have nothing against a Haze hybrid cup or a cup for the best of all hazes. May be one day you can try my Pan-o-Haze cut that is a good representation of what I do like in the OH and in the Hazes in general.

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Hi Johnny.
That Pan-o-Haze is such a beautiful cut!
:yay:
But I bet many people confuse your cross with the "Panama Haze" line available from Ace.

Also, I don't think most people know that the Seedsman oHaze seeds MadMac started his recent work with were your selections from that last 100 pack. You certainly gave him a big head-start there
Always impressive brother

 

[MadMac]

Also, I don't think most people know that the Seedsman oHaze seeds MadMac started his recent work with were your selections from that last 100 pack. You certainly gave him a big head-start there
Always impressive brother

the last 7 original Seedsman he said... not selected... ;-)
but maybe you know better?!
and yes very very happy !
also with the 90' Ohz from Golli ... still have 20 seeds ...
nothing lost... all is still alive all cut's too
without Johnny & Golli... all would look different...
same goes to the second THH resource i'll had...
with out those fellows... impossible...
many many thx again
M

 

[Koondense]

I will be collecting donations for a plaque in your honor guys, "The haze brotherhood"

Eternal gratitude to the Haze brothers, Sam, TomHill, JohnnyChicago and MadMac.

My two hay plants salute you



Haze on

 

[TheDarkStorm]

its hard to search through all the quotes darkie and i just dont have time , but here is what big herb wrote in his summery of the haze story ,
he can tell you where he got the information ..



In 1969, the riverside SoCal surfer backcrossed his punto rojo bagseed in what might be the luckiest” accident. This accident would go on to become most famous cannabis strain of all time. The pollen chuck created a very large amount of seed which was used for the duration of its existence.


as far as what seed sam gave nevil , it might be in the quotes i listed above ,, seeds given to him in the 80s made in 76 , he definitely says not 69 as you can see ...

and as u can also says he said he made the seed and never sold any seeds that came from the haze brothers ,,
i think i cleared up your misunderstandings ???

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I agree Donald the seeds could be wat sam made from the original stock he aquired in 80/81 from the brothers....so from 81 till 83 some seeds may have been bred by sam...as the 76 stuff was one ibl line....but we both know genetics....an in three years maybe you could do a succession of generations of seed...how many...hhhmm.....we know sam came to holland with the original stock he aquired from the brothers in 80/81....but he used the 76 stock himself...I suppose as that was the ORIGINAL haze named line that would be a good way of resurrecting original haze.
Oh by the way nevil got nothing for the plants...(plants we can supposedly get from ohz seed right now so wouldn't be a big deal anyway...or was they parents that could make ohz ..i dont know)....he got forced to sell the business under duress...while in JAIL ...ben took on the assets of that business including the plants..alot stuff went missing too..
I do know ohz is a line dear to sam an is a protected line in some form.
Most of it dont mater...now...wat maters are the genetics an the plants an wat we have left to work with today....id be more intrested in seeing the clone parents sam now holds that he selected from his his huge haze reproduction task that he took on in Holland....some of those must be amazing specimens.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

the last 7 original Seedsman he said... not selected... ;-)
but maybe you know better?!
and yes very very happy !
also with the 90' Ohz from Golli ... still have 20 seeds ...
nothing lost... all is still alive all cut's too
without Johnny & Golli... all would look different...
same goes to the second THH resource i'll had...
with out those fellows... impossible...
many many thx again
M

Mac maybe you could clear up wat it says on the bag in this picture....the second part says original haze...but the first part says *** haze...or maybe just haze..or maybe a number..? That bit of the bag is alittle folded up so cant really see...Thanks
Man thats alot of seed.