Pure Thai Seeds?

[xet]

Particularly interesting and related to this search for the Thai genes.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6999745&postcount=35
the perpetual harvest, perennial growth capacity of zamal is unique and difficult to believe without documented sources.

i'm an outdoor grower. I have never ( maybe almost never, but rare to say the least) had a decent sized outdoor plant where all the bud came in mature at the same time. last year I harvested a nanan bouclou from September into November. got bud 4 different times. the idea that you harvest a monster od plant at one time, cut the entire plant back is contrary to my growing experience.

^^ when you have a monster auto flowering zamal in a tropical environment without much change in daylight photoperiod over the entire year the "perpetual harvest" concept is easy for me to believe.
I spent a couple of hours reading French posts by opening up three tabs; one cannaweed, one google translate and one ic mag. I then copy and pasted the french posts one by one, translated them and then copied some of them to my ic post.

below are a couple. I came across quite a few but it takes hours to do the translating and copy and pasting. there are a lot of posts on zamal in French to go thru.

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But the most incredible trait of this plant is neither its taste nor the effect. It’s the fact that it keeps growing and flowering for two, sometimes three years in a row.
https://forums.strainhunters.com/site...etual-weed-r17

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we even leave a foot from one year to another since it does not die! and each crop will be larger (about 5 years pa plus) qualitée is to go believe me !!!! hello to all good fumette!
google translated

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salut a tous! je sui rèunionais et je vis en france mai je sui deja parti a la réunion en vacances et oui le zamale pousse tres bien,meme toute l'année puisque en hiver il fait 25 degré!ma le faire pousser en france me parait compliquer du fait de sa tres grandes tailles,et de sa floraison tres longues...on pe meme laisser un pied d'une année sur l'autre puisqu'il ne meurt pas!et chaque récolte sera plus importantes (environ 5 ans pa plus)et la qualitée est au rendez vous croyez moi!!!!salut a tous bonne fumette!
original post in French post #11

https://www.cannaweed.com/topic/14176-le-zamal/?hl=zamal

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Pour conclure : le zamal, à La Réunion, se joue parfois des photopériodes et peut très bien fleurir à n'importe quel moment de l'année
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To conclude: zamal, Reunion, sometimes photoperiod plays very well and can bloom any time of the year
post #5

^https://www.cannaweed.com/topic/47294...n#entry1965008

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ale ale taste mango too often and too high for a lot of people, some feet several years and still give two crops per year !
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aie aie gout mango aussi très souvent et Trop forte pour pas mal de monde, certains pieds ont plusieurs années et donnent encore 2 recoltes par an
post # 22

https://www.cannaweed.com/topic/6500-...age-2?hl=zamal


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It is also exceptionally long flowering outside, up to 10 months and more an endless stretch
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Ca floraison est aussi exceptionnellement longue en extérieur, jusqu'à 10 mois et en plus un stretch interminable
post # 29


https://www.cannaweed.com/topic/6500-...age-2?hl=zamal
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It is also told by the islands Keepers that it displays distinct regenerative capabilities- perpetual growth that is not displayed as commonly or successfully in other cannabis lineage making this a very special landrace Sativa indeed
https://fr.**********.eu/strain-info/...eds_of_Africa/

Also Ace Seeds has a number of these Thai Genes to be released later on ..

Hi xet,

We will release pure thai genetics again, sooner or later
I keep many pure Thai lines in the fridge and thai mothers in the mother room, but the pure thai projects will need to wait for their turn as we are germinating first older landraces.

 

[xet]

Sticking to "seeds that can be ordered today."

This is what I am looking at right now for extreme psychedelia "Thai Alternatives":

• Nanan-Bouclou
• Highland Thai
• Malana
• Golden Tiger
• Gold Rush
• Zamaldelica

Other note-worthy strains of pure Sativa, high positivity, high energy, cerebral quality but maybe not as much psychedlia

• Kerala
• Nanda Devi
• Sinai
• Ethiopia
• Honduras
• Kamaoni
• Haze #1
• Satori
• Panama, Panama x *

What does everyone think? I will start bringing the agreed strains to the front page list

 

[wvkindbud38]

The goal here is to find the 100%, untampered, Thai strains with those special, soaring, seering, synesthesia, trippy, psychedelic genetics.

Hopefully this thread inspires commercial seed providers to hop on a plane and travel by donkey to make these wonderful genetics available again without watering the genetics down with short-cycle indicas and other continents since it seems there is an agenda to disappear the highest highs of sativa and couch-lock the globe.

To start I discovered Mama Thai with Seedsman is crossed with Skunk for example so I am not interested in that style Thai.

I will list names/breeder/links so in the event someone has knowledge of said strain then those are seeds worthy of ordering immediately.

What is it that makes Thai so special? THCV gives African strains that high energy but what is it in the Thai? High CBN and THCV? CBG?

I realize there are other seed websites so please if you know of other providers/strains I will add to this list but for the sake of debate right now I am scouring Seedsman.com to launch the search for something on order today. Again I am excluding all Thai with skunk crosses (Blue thai, purple haze x thai, etc) and if I listed one that does not fit the bill let me know.

As an aside Seedsman was offering a "Thai" strain, separate from their Mama Thai, available in 100 seed pack, that is now removed from the website in the last 48 hours or so. Why?

Highland Thai https://www.seedsman.com/en/highland-thai-regular-seeds
The Real Seed Company

Wild Thailand https://www.seedsman.com/en/wild-thailand-seeds
World of Seeds

Green House Thai https://www.seedsman.com/en/green-house-thai-feminised-seeds
Greenhouse Seed Company


Muay Thai Superautohttps://www.seedsman.com/en/muay-thai-superauto-feminised-seeds-3
Flash Seeds

I would like this list to grow but it is evident Thai is diminishing in commercial popularity though an underground movement might reawaken this giant.

This sounds like me on here a decade ago pushing for this at one time.....it didn't gain any momentum them as everybody was after some dream plants finishing in 45 days opposed to a truly great sativa that may take 18+ weeks flowering imdoors. Seems like in the past everybody just said man if you want a great sativa run nevilles haze....hopefully it's a different time nowadays as there's been a million indica hybrid made the last ten yrs and the Kush pharse is kinda dying down(I loved Kush) I've always wanted to see a REAL Vietnamese Thai not watered to death,,,but I guess if company's make the original that might take 24 week indoor to flower that's less seeds folks might buy and there gonna prolly want $350 for 10-12 seeds...hopefully somebody rolls there sleeves up I guess in all about what everybody wants and will buy

 

[mexcurandero420]

What is it that makes Thai so special? THCV gives African strains that high energy but what is it in the Thai? High CBN and THCV? CBG?

Its a combination of the terpenes with the cannabinoids.CBN is btw downgraded THC and is good to get in sleep.

 

[xet]

According to this post https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6312232&postcount=261 the Highland Thai of The Real Seed Company was crossed with a Skunk.

 

[burningfire]

According to this post https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6312232&postcount=261 the Highland Thai of The Real Seed Company was crossed with a Skunk.

you might want to read that again, I don't think you understood what was said.

nowhere does it say that those thais were crossed with Skunk, it only says that sativafiend has made crosses with skunk using some of the landrace seeds he has access to.

 

[troutman]

According to this post https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6312232&postcount=261 the Highland Thai of The Real Seed Company was crossed with a Skunk.

If you grow Highland Thai I assure you it won't smell or look like a Skunk.

 

[xet]

I hope you understand my confusion

same strain as the old RSC Highland Lao and same source as well.
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i have large amount of landrace seeds.these include seeds from loas,thailand and burma.i have done some crooses with skunk#1 to create some nice sativa f1 hybrids
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the loa genes are like old school thai strains(not been crossed)
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the pic in avater is a loas sative x skunk#1. i have grown pure skunk here for three generations
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This got me surprised because his avatar is in fact one of the HT pictures from above and from his HT albums. I really hope it was just a mistake with he pics and the seeds distributed were pure indeed.
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Hi bayers,finely the seeds are ready from the Golden Lao crosses,its been a long wait.I will be sending in Lao x Nl#5 Bcsc and Lao x TOK(Afghani IBL) so you guys will have two F.1 hybrids to play with in your gardens.Also have some Lao x pablos F.2 col pheno beans i may send as freebies.Im looking forward to seeing these sativa-indica hybrids in your gardens and they will produce something very special and new for the community.Sativafiend

At any rate HT grows monsters and is worth pheno hunting or even crossing with nanan-bouclou or Golden Tiger.

Glad to have people here to vet info

 

[Lester Beans]

I wish these plants could grow where I live. I don't think my 3 month growing season will cut it haha.

Best of luck on your search and I can't wait to see the results!

 

[xet]

Best of luck on your search and I can't wait to see the results!

Thanks mate.


Front-page/first-post strain list is updated. More to add later.

 

[growhigh1233]

nobody even makes real deal dry sieve hash anywhere outside that country.

Its this gooey resin balls of "bubble hash" which is supposedly superior but i'd rather have a brick of tightly packed trichs.

iv been having great results useing bubble bags for dry sieve............ i got sick of all the work involved in ice hash........depending on how fine a bag is used,able to get some real exceptional quality...........i just lay sheets of alum foil on the floor and shake shake shake !........... clean with cold water after, and there good as new


flavour of dry is far superior to bubble,..... just done some sweet skunk dry sieve..........stunning scent

 

[coconutcurry]

iv been having great results useing bubble bags for dry sieve....i just lay sheets of alum foil on the floor and shake shake shake !........... clean with cold water after, and there good as new...

Just use a cooking pot, put some weed inside and clutch the bubble bag over the pot. Close the pot with a lid and jam the bubble bag tight. Turn the pot upside down and shake for one or two minutes. If you remove the lid you will have hashish
This works also with a cheesecloth, a kitchen towel or the nylon stockings of your girlfriend - producing different qualities. Check it out.

 

[xet]

i forgot....the good hash of marocco is very good

This is what I have heard. Morocco is known for the best food in the world. The best hash too only makes sense.

I can't believe there is only a handful of unadultered landrace genetics

Consumers demand simple plants with easy, fast, stoney qualities. Maybe they do not know about the spiritual highs of Sativas. It took me a long time to first experience one of these and I still meet friends of Cannabis with decades of experience that think all weed is virtually the same.

Nobody is breeding for high. big mistake because this is where future seed market is going (overall potency/effects/terpenes).

I see a lot of breeding for plants that look good, look "frostiest" and finish fast.

Exactly. The best sativas are for highly functional, highly productive people. The best indicas serve the opposite purpose.

nobody even makes real deal dry sieve hash anywhere outside that country.

Its this gooey resin balls of "bubble hash" which is supposedly superior but i'd rather have a brick of tightly packed trichs.

All regions are famous for their own methods their culture developed. Morocco is producing 70% of the world's hash? Perfect location to do so. I imagine Afghanistan would still be doing this but the NWO can't have Afghanistan being the Switzerland of the Middle East.

GHS were openly exploiting people and posting it on the internet,
too arrogant to realize that poor people have access to the internet as well.
and too foolish to realize you dont mess around like that in the Congo.

How do you explain their funding of millions of dollars in CBD research in Malaria and building roads in the Congo? Opinions of GHS like these invariably wreak of jealousy and spite.

About the Moroccan, I heard it from one person they were mugged in the sense of actually kidnapped and then forced to buy hash at gunpoint.

Wow! Not surprising! Southern Morocco is rumored to be extremely dangerous and only the Northern cities along the water are "tourist-friendly."

That Vice episode with them in the Congo really was fkn nuts. An entire village with machetes where trying to wack the GHS crew but they got saved by some dudes with AKs. Looked like an intense situation to say the least.

But I believe malaria killed Franco not voodoo and I don't think anyone in the Congo purposely gave it to him.




Onto the Thai again. Another one I am hoping to get through at one point is the Thai Stick Sativa from our very own Gypsie Nirvana. I really hope someone purchased enough stock to properly reproduce that variety. Kangativa found his Gypsie Thai out of about 30 plants and seemed to like it quite a bit.

I was joking around with a friend that the only I502 in the entire state of Washington that would want something like Mullum Thai would be Kiona. The rest would not touch a 16-18 weeker let alone the ones that go +24 weeks.

People aren't educated about sativas enough yet but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Until they understand that bag appeal is not everything it's an uphill battle.

I only grow for myself and I enjoy that type of smoke but I honestly don't think it would move in the retail shops.

But make proper concentrates and the satties are back in business. Take the bag appeal out of the equation entirely and they have a better shot.

Good example is a friend of mine had some Wedding Cake from Cali last night but I kept sneaking away to the parking lot for some Stardawg x Zamal. I did enjoy smoking on the WC but I knew I couldn't keep it up all night. Yet with a nice African or Thai no problem.

All over this board I keep reading about the Gypsy Thai stick. Makes me sad this is not available. The Congo episode was by far the best GHS video. Great final documentary for Franco (RIP).

And the Congo is no joke. Tribes upon rival tribes with little to no civil education outside of their primitive culture and disease and wild creatures protecting the jungles and the water from outsiders. Anyone doing what GHS did knows full well that leaving alive is next to impossible but if the reward frees those areas from slavery, and poverty from the guerilla/1st world forces sucking precious resources through tribal warfare, then what will the haters say then?

I agree there needs to be more Sativa education. A budtender in a Colorado tried to have me kicked out once for asking about psychedelic strains. He accused me of no such thing existing and trying to insult the industry or something along those lines. Honestly psychedelic strains are the only strains I enjoy. . . and they are the rarest. And by psychedelic I mean way beyond trippy. I mean a fluid flow of psychedelia and synesthesia.

You raise a great point about the 24-weekers. And to also know that these Sativas reach full potency in the 2nd and 3rd harvest. Do we have enough knowledge to perform such an indoor cycle without living on the equator? I have googled lots to determine what the spectral graph on the equator is to come up with no information. There are RGB of this but calculating the nm frequencies is essentially an impossibility as there are multiple types of RGB and saturation has much to do with this but this is a way nerdier debate for elsewhere.

Concentrates are great but like someone said in another thread about Ghost Train Haze: the flower smoke had a way better effect than the concentrate. Maybe the entourage effect. I am a fan of flower only and do not like concentrates. I understand getting blasted beyond knowing anything but I like being functional and the hardest Sativas only require one more puff not concentrate.

Imagine if some foreign dudes break into your crop and steal your seeds. Luckily for the raiders they have paid to the government troops to act as mercenaries. And they saved them.

How do you feel if you find people stealing your crop?

It seems Franco died from brain malaria form. I am sorry for him.

Ironically they said he returned to Congo to teach people there how to use cannabis for malaria treatment. It seems it is not very effective. I love ganja, but for malaria Artemisia annua works much better.

About GN Thai Stick, I purchased some packs. But seeds didin't sprout very well, and males are really scarce in the strain, because I only found one. I don't understand why people want feminized seeds because in some regular strains males are really strange. Since the male appeared in 2015 I am trying to make seeds, but the male and the females don't flower at the same time. So I am still trying to make seeds. It is the first time I am unable to make seeds.

I find it hard to label what GHS does as stealing without blatantly lying. I am not a so-call fan boy of GHS but I am a defender of hard working workers with high level of functioning and passion. And that is all I really have to say on that because the haters will always turn their hating into flame wars and irrational insults. It's madness and my perception will not be programmed to not see the truth. GHS shows video of paying tribal leaders but I guess the haters say "oh that was just for video. they are still meanys." If you went down there you would have to hire some type of guide. How is that so difficult to understand? I guess if one never plans on doing something so exciting they never have to consider the details but consider the details and realize there are parameters to overcome to achieve helping other people to help one self and 12 guys with AK47s can not stop an entire tribe of people with machetes this is common sense because there are other tribes in the area numbering in thousands that will not allow these 12 animals to escape. Maybe it is easier for people to look away instead of looking into the nature of things.

Also looking into SST for seed sprouting.

This sounds like me on here a decade ago pushing for this at one time.....it didn't gain any momentum them as everybody was after some dream plants finishing in 45 days opposed to a truly great sativa that may take 18+ weeks flowering imdoors. Seems like in the past everybody just said man if you want a great sativa run nevilles haze....hopefully it's a different time nowadays as there's been a million indica hybrid made the last ten yrs and the Kush pharse is kinda dying down(I loved Kush) I've always wanted to see a REAL Vietnamese Thai not watered to death,,,but I guess if company's make the original that might take 24 week indoor to flower that's less seeds folks might buy and there gonna prolly want $350 for 10-12 seeds...hopefully somebody rolls there sleeves up I guess in all about what everybody wants and will buy

There is more good out of this debate than we know. The lurkers outweigh the members 100:1 and people talk and eventually high-end sativas will be a staple in the market as the indicas are. And I realize there are high-end sativa markets already but not commercially in every dispensary like the indicas. This is more only for the professionals, doctors, lawyers, athletes, executives, et

You make a great point about price. Not uncommon paying $20-$50 a seed from the right garden.

Its a combination of the terpenes with the cannabinoids.CBN is btw downgraded THC and is good to get in sleep.

True. I have heard increased CBN greatly increases psychoactivity, not from the CBN, but, from the entourage effect the CBN induces. Give it a try: leave your favorite sativa in your hot vehicle for a few weeks.

 

[xet]

72 hours later .. The Real Seed Company is out of stock on Highland Thai.

Please restock soon

 

[ahortator]

I find it hard to label what GHS does as stealing without blatantly lying. I am not a so-call fan boy of GHS but I am a defender of hard working workers with high level of functioning and passion. And that is all I really have to say on that because the haters will always turn their hating into flame wars and irrational insults. It's madness and my perception will not be programmed to not see the truth. GHS shows video of paying tribal leaders but I guess the haters say "oh that was just for video. they are still meanys." If you went down there you would have to hire some type of guide. How is that so difficult to understand? I guess if one never plans on doing something so exciting they never have to consider the details but consider the details and realize there are parameters to overcome to achieve helping other people to help one self and 12 guys with AK47s can not stop an entire tribe of people with machetes this is common sense because there are other tribes in the area numbering in thousands that will not allow these 12 animals to escape. Maybe it is easier for people to look away instead of looking into the nature of things.

Also looking into SST for seed sprouting.

Hi xet. I don't hate GHS. And I feel there is no need for insulting them. Simply I don´t like they spread hybrids in places where there are still high quality and psychedelic NLD heirlooms.

In fact I enjoy their videos about countries where I will never could travel. Mainly because I cannot hire 12 guys armed with AK

One point about them I think we are all agree is they are too arrogant with the farmers or even the guides. They could get much more from them if they were a bit more humble and kind treating the people.

DRC is a extremely dangerous country. They have been in was for many years, and still they have clashes there. Transnationals steal their rich resources while people die in extreme poverty or simply killed by paramilitary insurgents armed and paid by western corporations.

They aren't tribal people, primitive with no education. They are intelligent people, like you and me, bored to see how outsiders become rich with their resources while they die in extreme poverty.

You can see how they live, and how actually they are, here in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwzCy0-RTw

If you see the GHS Congo video, the main subject is the money they were going to earn. Franco talked about that in a boat with a seed on his hand, later Hamilton Morris said it again in the field...

For example Gypsy have travellled to many countries in order to get seeds, like Khmer gold from Cambodia, Thai Stick, Luang Prabang,... And I see he is extremely more respectful and kind with the people than the GHS crew. I think he didn't need to hire mercenaries armed with AK's. He also don't need to call himself the King of Cannabis all the time

Excuse me for the offtopic. I am sorry!

Greetings

 

[mexcurandero420]

Yaxu is growing Mama Thai at moment.Well its flowering.Pictures show its more wild Thai without any Skunk influences.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8276794&postcount=41

 

[Pepé The Grower]

How can you say that^^?

You see this one,ain't thai, yet it's sativa as it gets ( harvested in mid-december @46°N), and it does contain skunk...

 

[mexcurandero420]

Looks Purple Thai to me.

RSC Thai

 

[Happy Times]

How can you say that^^?

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You see this one,ain't thai, yet it's sativa as it gets ( harvested in mid-december @46°N), and it does contain skunk...

Beautiful plant!!

 

[therevverend]

I'll say why 100% Thai strains are so hard to find. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, people wanting narcotic Indica highs or whatever. Anyone who's smoked the old Thai still raves about it.
20 plus years ago some friends got a hold of some rare seeds of the old Thai stick. The real deal. Planted them outside with the rest of the crop.
Come harvest time they harvested most of their crop, hung up to dry. Meanwhile the Thai plant hadn't started flowering.
A few weeks later the Thai plant hadn't started flowering.
A month later the Thai plants wasn't done.
Then the winter rains came.
A few weeks later they remembered the Thai plants. Went to check them out. It was closing in on New Year.
The plant was still there but the stem had rotten all the way through. Half the plant had tipped over. Still wasn't close to being done and covered in mold.