Pure colombian gold (peru)

2 Peruvian golds from deep in the #jungle of the Amazon rain forest in atalaya where #chocolate originated.


my guess is this pure #landrace #columbiangold came to the region with #coca producers from #Columbia in the 80s when the columbian government cracked down on cartels and they moved to #peru and #Bolivia where to my knowledge has been untouched since


there is a diversity from chocolate, woods and #roadkillskunk. very pungent either way. but looking for the skunkers for my road-kill project I revived last year after taking a 10 year break.


#medmanbrand #lordofloud #loudskunk #skunk

 

[Dime]

I'm not here for the drama, but all this talk of hybrids becomes very interesting when one considers the US agricultural research station that was in the mountains of Colombia somewhere, that closed after WW2 sometime...
Go look it up...landraces from all over the world naturalized up there, left to their own devices to become the lumbo that the hippies brought back..Think about it..

A lot of hybridization has occurred since then

 

[Hammerhead]

I agree 100% with Pandora and you
Lovely plants btw `^^

Thanks, Raco back at ya.

We were getting imports here in the 70s and early 80s that I've no doubt were unhybridized, Thai and Indonesian in particular, but also Colombian. We were also crossing everything with everything else for sure so hybrids were around.

I grow the odd landrace to this day. If you want something unhybridised my personal opinion is that of the few I've grown personally TRSC Manipuri is unhybridised and ACE Ethiopian to name two. I am sure there are others. They are certainly more rare though.

Crossing 2 unrelated Thai plants is a hybrid.. Those Thai imports were most likely hybridized at some point. There was never such a thing as "PURE"..All cannabis was hybridized at some point IMO. Landrace was still hybrized at some point in its passed. We would not have had any good weed if this didn't happen. All we would have is ruderalis lol.

 

[Dime]

Svalbard Global Seed Vault

seedvault.nordgen.org

They might be able to educate or a give a lead for more investigation

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Isn't landrace supposed to be from the same population unselected and open pollination for 20 generation or more?

I would think pure would have similar standards but allowing for some selection.

 

[Hammerhead]

Landraces do not have any protections from others in the same region. There was plenty of cross pollination going on between wind and insects. Whatever they started with was already hybridized long ago.

 

[Dime]

A landrace plant is a plant that has been naturally selected to grow in a specific environment and is it possible perhaps C Gold was an heirloom?

 

[Eltitoguay]

It's tough to find any icaros that actually support espirito marihuana. Most shipibo icaros chanted for cannabis are to cast her out of us.

Even these "casting out" icaros are not found on the cd I was given before I left the jungle. But only used for special circumstances.

Most people only require 1 "chant out" cannabis song to do the trick. I required 2 songs over 2 ceremonies

Only recently have a few small circles of shipibos allowed people to dieta marihuana. She def is a spirit that doesn't get along with the 300 to 400 plants they are used to working with

mm

My comment was only from a strictly musical point of view; About the rest, I don't understand much.

You may be interested in this 2 article about Shipibo peoplee duing the hardest time of Covid pandemic (with several videos and a lot of beautiful black and white photographs) in a newspaper of my nation, EL PAÍS :

NATIVES

The town that speaks with plants​

During the pandemic, the indigenous people of the Amazon isolated themselves and tried to find refuge in the vast forest. This is what the Shipibo-Konibo, connoisseurs of the jungle and the uses of flora, did. They say it out loud here: the health crisis endangers their knowledge of biodiversity as the elderly die​

Shipibo-konibo, the people who speak with plants

Cashibo Community, Ucayali, Peru. Sanken-Runa (40) is a Shipibo-Konibo indigenous woman on the shore of a lake. Her father taught her to use plants to alleviate ailments. The memories she has of him are like a database that she consults when she wants to know about a recipe.Video: FLORENCE GOUPIL. TEO BELTON
FLORENCE GOUPIL
Mar 22, 2021 -

El pueblo que habla con las plantas

Durante la pandemia, los indígenas de la Amazonía se aislaron e intentaron hallar refugio en el vasto bosque. Así lo hicieron los shipibo-konibo, conocedores de la selva y los usos de la flora. Lo cuentan aquí de viva voz: la crisis sanitaria pone en peligro su conocimiento de la biodiversidad...

elpais.com

22 photos

Indigenous people turn to forest medicine​

The use of plants as a remedy is part of their tradition and worldview. The Shipibo-Konibo, in the Peruvian Amazon, create the Matico Command to try to alleviate the symptoms of covid-19 with what the jungle offers them​

FLORENCE GOUPIL
MARCH 22 , 2021

Los indígenas recurren a la medicina del bosque

El uso de las plantas como remedio forma parte de su tradición y cosmovisión. Los shipibo-konibo, en la Amazonia peruana, crean el Comando Matico para intentar aliviar los síntomas de la covid-19 con lo que la selva les brinda

elpais.com

 

[med-man]

I may have shared this before but I will share some more.

Within Mel Frank's colombians phylos entry. We can see genetic relatives in Africa, India and Afghanistan and South East Asia

mm

 

[med-man]

Crosby real gold colombian. I'm guessing a decade later to Mel

mm

 

[med-man]

The phylos rabbit hole runs pretty deep.

It's always been rumored that colombian and acapulco gold were relatives. Phylos has verified the claim

What's even more interesting is not only colombian gold a relative of cali-o 77 but so is a durban poison clone group made up of.....wait for it.....

My understanding about clone galaxies within the phyloverse is they are clumped together has direct relatives. Not decendence.

The only variables that come into play are who enters the "names" and does it matter if DNA sequences them together.

So cali-o is basically a colombian gold X durban. With Albert walker being a decentant / relative of the progeny (correct me if I'm wrong)

Remember how I said there was a "mexican" and half "mexican" expression in this grow?

Dna allows us to connect the dots......and what do we know about Albert walker? The legend is its an afghani.

So to avoid confirmation bias from me. Feel free to verify phylos dna

mm

 

[Donald Mallard]

Landraces do not have any protections from others in the same region. There was plenty of cross pollination going on between wind and insects. Whatever they started with was already hybridized long ago.

i see what your saying ,
but if taken literally , there is no such thing as a landrace ,
but we know there is ,

for instance ,, the seed in thailand and surrounding areas ,
likely originated from one source ,
back in earlier days people travelled less given modes of transport were slow,
this lessened the chances of cross breeding etc ,

therefore after being isolated for a period of time ,
they are regarded as a landrace ,
if they crossed with some other plants in a nearby village , or such thing ,
given they are from the same source ,, then its still thai and not really a hybrid ,
thai x thai = thai ,
you see what i mean ??

there were no seedbanks back then , a thai farmer couldnt just order a pack of chem and make himself some chem x thai or the like ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

A landrace plant is a plant that has been naturally selected to grow in a specific environment and is it possible perhaps C Gold was an heirloom?

exactly ,
i prefer the simple explanation to mm s long drawn out one ,,
ie ..

A landrace is a domesticated, locally adapted, often traditional variety of a species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species. Landraces are distinct from cultivars and from standard breeds.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Phylos needs to have the proper starting material beforehand for any of it to be accurate. The fact that they took samples from anyone that had $300, makes it incomplete data at best

 

[med-man]

Now what makes up Albert walker....the legendary skunky pure afghanica? Closest 4 relatives are 5 sativas. Based on phylos dna sequencing. The white is ak47

mm

 

[med-man]

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i see what your saying ,
but if taken literally , there is no such thing as a landrace ,
but we know there is ,

for instance ,, the seed in thailand and surrounding areas ,
likely originated from one source ,
back in earlier days people travelled less given modes of transport were slow,
this lessened the chances of cross breeding etc ,

therefore after being isolated for a period of time ,
they are regarded as a landrace ,
if they crossed with some other plants in a nearby village , or such thing ,
given they are from the same source ,, then its still thai and not really a hybrid ,
thai x thai = thai ,
you see what i mean ??

there were no seedbanks back then , a thai farmer couldnt just order a pack of chem and make himself some chem x thai or the like ....

Here's some thai from phylos. One from Watson and one from a commercial load in 75.

Direct relatives in loas Cambodia eventually making its way to s America. Some other thais have the same profile but Nepal as well

Dna is tried tested and true thru forensics in court of law. Names and brands aside dna can't lie

mm

 

[med-man]

I checked out wild Thailand too. What would you know? Sk1 and northern lights are all directlt related. I clicked sk1 and it's close ancestor is nl.

in 10 more years and phylos will be a very interesting data mine

mm

 

[Donald Mallard]

Yea wild Thailand is a long way from any thai landrace..

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Wild Thai is related to skunk 1 ? Yeah ok

 

[Chi13]

We don't need any lessons on landrace or off topic info on other varieties. It's the landrace section, we all know what a landrace is.
On wild Thai; it clearly isn't a Thai landrace but a hybrid.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Wild Thai is related to skunk 1 ? Yeah ok

Sadly yes more skunk than thai