problems with coco

[gaiusmarius]

and that was a pic from plants that were grown in a sog setup, with only a few days of veg. not even one of my best, just one i found quickly. i'm gonna get one of mojo's recent pics, they show what a tree grow can look like with daily watering till run off.

this is what happened after mojo watered till run off every day, isn't it terrible how that poor plant got starved for air.

Great pic mojo.......

this pic belongs to mojo

 

[THC4SIM]

this pic belongs to mojo

OMFG!!
oh SHIT!!!!!!!

i will ensure that there is plenty run off every time now!!!

 

[thescientist]

He did good!! I dont think that means everyone should water til 15-20% runoff as it says in the coco guide here. It is just not neccesary, if anything its a bad thing. Do what you want to. What is the point in the runoff.
I switched from that and I wish I documented it.
You dont think your plants get less oxygen your way?
Your just wrong, totally wrong on that point. You encourage people to waterlog their stuff and you probably havent even tried another way.
If your friend is doing good your way he is gonna do better my way.

 

[Breezy420]

thescientist must be growing in soil and be confused like someone mentioned earlier that this is a coco forum. Else he would understand the simple fact that by watering to run off that you're exchanging the air held in the coco. You're crazy if you think that your way is providing any more oxygen to the coco than is watering till run off.

 

[Guest]

wow TS after that post its official ur a clown

i can tell ur not even readin gaiusmarius post, he just said he's tried ur method. and got better results by not letting the coco dry out. y are u trying so hard to prove ur point

and when u water oxygen is pulled down to the roots

 

[thescientist]

Water is pulled down to the roots? You are clown my friend. Worse you dont know shit and you think you do.

 

[Guest]

whatever troll, go preach that BS somewhere else

what about the people who run coco in slabs guess there wrong to A?

and yea i dont know that much, but when u start telling someone there wrong when the proof is there, that shit is annoying especial when its a guy who know what the fuck he's doing

where's ur proof, oh my bad u didnt document it F outta here man

here's another guy who know what he's doing, read his first post

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46490

 

[gaiusmarius]

coco has a lot of advantages over other mediums. but one of the disadvantages is that it tends to let left over salts accumulate. as every strain has different needs and even the same clones on different parts of the table have different nute uptake. you always get some nutrients left over, as you don't want this stuff to accumulate in the coco you make sure that you give a little flush every watering or at least every few waterings.

what you seem not to understand is that a plant can make hydro roots or earth roots. once you treat the coco like a hydroponic medium the roots will become hydroponic roots too. this means you achieve hydroponic growth rates as well as yields. which to me is the whole point of coco. it represents the best of both worlds. high caution exchange, full of beneficial bacteria and fungus. it allows the grower to get hydro yields and earth taste at the same time.

i wonder if you have ever tried the hydroponic method? you say that your; treat coco like earth method, would work better, but your pics don't really support that argument. i know other growers that do the same thing in coco, it does work. you get a nice yield etc, just never the same as you would when you treat the coco like the hydro medium it is, lol.

you keep talking about air, did you even bother reading...

coco is a hydroponic medium. it always has enough air for perfect root health. as long as the coco can drain freely and is not sitting in a puddle of water, then multiple waterings a day are a no brainer. each time you water the coco till run off, you are actually switching out not just the nutes and water, but also the air. new water floods the medium forcing all the old used air out, as the water slowly drains off new air is sucked in to the medium to replace it. so tell me how this can "take oxygen away from my plants"?

plants get used to what ever system you chose, as long as you start one way and keep it up. no going back and forth, either one or the other.

edited to add this pic of Basic Diesel, just for a bit of color

 

[SEEDYNONO]

lol.

the way i see it is definetly like gaius..

this method of watering may be working for you the scientist .

does not mean it is the best way.. i think the way's spelled out in the coco faq are spot on for newcommers to coco who need some pointers. once they get going in coco they can decide for themselves if watering as much as most of us here do is too much for their own setup or their ideology or whatever..

but the best advice to start with is already there.. and you haven't had a single argument to prove your way is better.

 

[Guest]

HA!

 

[thescientist]

I do mine you do yours okay

The next level is always my goal and thats my advice, cut back

And BTW aizen dont be callin me a troll thats not nice. You probably just planted your first seed. Im reachin out to the people who wanna get better. But yall are just locked into this belief that you're doing the right thing. Advice is advice and I get mine from the best.
Like I said at first That method is played you get better at growing in coco and you stop doing that.

 

[SEEDYNONO]

just looking at the leaves in the picture you chose as your avatar tells me your plants are not in optimal health..

 

[hogwild]

all i had to do is sit back and relax and you proved your intelligence for us scientist.

 

[Guest]

dude thats what i said at first, just do what u like. till u got all big headed

and no im not on my first seed, but thanx for assuming

and boy its kinda tough to take ur advice when so many people that use coco are watering more. and i go by pictures PROOF not someones words

and ur video proved all of what, hmmmm that u can grow plants shit so can i that doesnt make me a know it all

 

[thescientist]

Man Im sorry to everyone if this got kinda outta hand

Im done defending this.
You guys think runoff is neccesary than go for it.
I see it as a waste.

 

[thescientist]

And whats wrong with my avatar? You got nice greens on yours a week before pick?

 

[thescientist]

Too much nitrogen = leafy buds = Hogwilds pics
Nice yellow leaves = nice phat buds = my pics

 

[gaiusmarius]

to me it seems like you are locked in your opinion. it's you that's closed his mind to the possibility that you could do anything better.

show me some pics that make me say "ahh this is a person i want to listen to" so far what i see is very average. nothing wrong with it at all and i'd be the first to congratulate you on such a first. but it's by no means anything to base others grows on. and certainly nothing that would make me change my tried tested and proved method.

 

[EddieShoestring]

Gaius 'show me some pics that make me say "ahh this is a person i want to listen to'

word. I asked a couple of awesome coco growers how to do it best when i switched to coir-what they told me was pretty much what Gaius and the crew are saying that 1. it works best when kept wet. 2.It works better when fed often with drippers/syphons 3. Ultimate results=SWC and air cages

Its cool to try diff methods-but if people are here looking for info its cool if they can get an idea whats right and whats 'experimental'.

lets see some evidence

eddie

 

[Guest]

The only time I ever got into trouble was when I let the ec build up and started using Cal-Mag+. The only way the coco will starve the roots from oxygen is if you don't have holes in the bottom of your pots so the water can get out. If you let the coco dry out any at all, you're gonna get a buildup of salt. Plain and simple!

I'm not opposed to new ideas but I will only try something if I know it's got a possibility of working. Getting a decent grow by letting coco dry out in between waterings isn't going to give you the best results. Watering to runoff is.

Since gaius posted a pic from my grow, I'll post a couple more I took today two minutes before the lights came on. I was able to take the pictures with the flash on the camera and so it wasn't fucked up by the HPS glow.

Sorry the White Widow looks so shitty. For the last three days, the growth has really picked up and the weight of the buds has made every limb on the plants droop down. In these shots you can see some of the ties I've had to put on the plant to keep the buds from breaking the limbs. The Widow's been at 5'3" for over a month and she's been packing on the weight. The Aurora Indica is 4'2" and has not been tied down. Her limbs aren't as long as the Widow's and her branches are kinda being supported by the walls, lol.

All this growth has been a problem, but it's been a good one to have. That top cola on the Widow is 17" tall and about 4.5" in diameter (and getting wider).

Only reason I posted these here is to show you what success looks like when you do it right in coco. Didn't put em up to brag. If it weren't for the advice I got from gaiusmarius, I would have done some stupid things and ruined the grow. Like letting the coco get too dry!

Peace

Edited:
Btw, these are in three gallon pots with pure canna coco in them. Nothing else to get in the way. Only fed them A+B, and a couple of shots of PK 13/14 during flower.

No CO2 was used but I might try it when I get the grow going in my drip tray setup next grow.