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problems with coco
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55litres pots in coco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItCw7nwGkRo
thescientist
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I said no runoff, not let them get dry. And to you indica you dont even have a pic on profile so your just a theory grower in my book.
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mojo said:The only time I ever got into trouble was when I let the ec build up and started using Cal-Mag+. The only way the coco will starve the roots from oxygen is if you don't have holes in the bottom of your pots so the water can get out. If you let the coco dry out any at all, you're gonna get a buildup of salt. Plain and simple!
I'm not opposed to new ideas but I will only try something if I know it's got a possibility of working. Getting a decent grow by letting coco dry out in between waterings isn't going to give you the best results. Watering to runoff is.
Since gaius posted a pic from my grow, I'll post a couple more I took today two minutes before the lights came on. I was able to take the pictures with the flash on the camera and so it wasn't fucked up by the HPS glow.
Sorry the White Widow looks so shitty. For the last three days, the growth has really picked up and the weight of the buds has made every limb on the plants droop down. In these shots you can see some of the ties I've had to put on the plant to keep the buds from breaking the limbs. The Widow's been at 5'3" for over a month and she's been packing on the weight. The Aurora Indica is 4'2" and has not been tied down. Her limbs aren't as long as the Widow's and her branches are kinda being supported by the walls, lol.
All this growth has been a problem, but it's been a good one to have. That top cola on the Widow is 17" tall and about 4.5" in diameter (and getting wider).
Only reason I posted these here is to show you what success looks like when you do it right in coco. Didn't put em up to brag. If it weren't for the advice I got from gaiusmarius, I would have done some stupid things and ruined the grow. Like letting the coco get too dry!
Peace
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Btw, these are in three gallon pots with pure canna coco in them. Nothing else to get in the way. Only fed them A+B, and a couple of shots of PK 13/14 during flower.
No CO2 was used but I might try it when I get the grow going in my drip tray setup next grow.
if anyones doubting coco then these pics should shut them up
thescientist
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You can keep the medium moist all the time and still never have runoff.
When you feed your plant it takes up some water and it takes up some food, now as some of the water is evaporated some nutes are left behind in the soil yes. Now when you feed again or water these excess nutes are re absorbed into the water. Right? OK
Now when you douse the plant with so much water It might not hurt it but logic dictates that there is less than optimum oxygen in the medium. And thats what this is all about.
I know and agree that coco retains salt but I disagree that watering till you get runoff every time you water is the best way to deal with it.
Those leftover salts are still food that can be utilized, not waste that magically collects in the runoff.
You can maintain the proper ppm in your medium without the hassle of getting runoff You just need to know what your doing. By doing it you get more oxygen to your roots, less waste, less chance of fungus gnats and other benefits.
I treat my coco like coco, not like hydro or soil And i'm not new to any of these three methods.
When you feed your plant it takes up some water and it takes up some food, now as some of the water is evaporated some nutes are left behind in the soil yes. Now when you feed again or water these excess nutes are re absorbed into the water. Right? OK
Now when you douse the plant with so much water It might not hurt it but logic dictates that there is less than optimum oxygen in the medium. And thats what this is all about.
I know and agree that coco retains salt but I disagree that watering till you get runoff every time you water is the best way to deal with it.
Those leftover salts are still food that can be utilized, not waste that magically collects in the runoff.
You can maintain the proper ppm in your medium without the hassle of getting runoff You just need to know what your doing. By doing it you get more oxygen to your roots, less waste, less chance of fungus gnats and other benefits.
I treat my coco like coco, not like hydro or soil And i'm not new to any of these three methods.
Scientist you make assumptions, how do you know what medium my plants are in? The difference between me and you is I dont claim to have be the shit and that i have the best methods, I openly admit I am new to coco and I'm learning every day. On this site you better have some damn good physical evidence of your above average success, or everyone will pretty much put you in your place as they have done here.
thescientist
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OK so what exactly happens to make runoff so neccesary huh. How does it benefit them thats what I want to hear.
I think you answered it, yourself -
If you continue to add salts in an accumulating system, the ones that are not utilized will remain. The remaining salts throw off the ratio, and adding new salts throws the pH. when the pH is off, your plants suffer. This is how I understand it as well.
Just quantify the 'Know what you're doing' into a program for us, and it'll make it better.
For example - in a 100-100-200-60 program, I think you mean that if you divide up the total feed into increments, and feed these increments, totalling 100-100-200-60 in the final product, you will avoid burn, undernourisment, etc. Is this what you mean?
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If you continue to add salts in an accumulating system, the ones that are not utilized will remain. The remaining salts throw off the ratio, and adding new salts throws the pH. when the pH is off, your plants suffer. This is how I understand it as well.
thescientist said:
Just quantify the 'Know what you're doing' into a program for us, and it'll make it better.
For example - in a 100-100-200-60 program, I think you mean that if you divide up the total feed into increments, and feed these increments, totalling 100-100-200-60 in the final product, you will avoid burn, undernourisment, etc. Is this what you mean?
you keep ignoring all my explanations, which shows it's a waste of time explaining things to you, you just ignore what doesn't suit your preconceived notions and come back to the same old lame arguments. just because you got a few plants to harvest doesn't mean you have the one and only system that works, rofl. i got news for you man, coco is very forgiving, in fact it's idiot proof. so getting a few plants to harvest is not proof of you superior growing ability. show us some plants that are reaching their potential, then people might be interested how you're doing it. in fact why don't you start your own thread about your superior growing method, then it will be here documented for all to learn from eh?
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i typically handwater throughout veg and since they are not in the flower room(with drain system), i want zero runoff.
however, in flower, they get plenty of runoff since drainage is taken care of.
this plant is on day1 of flip. but, i use 18gal containers
however, in flower, they get plenty of runoff since drainage is taken care of.
this plant is on day1 of flip. but, i use 18gal containers
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I think a lot of us started in much the same way as you and were disappointed with the results. In the end we learnt to trust the instructions on the bottle.
To paraphrase a professional grow guide "You can water coco as you would soil but coco is actually a hydrological medium and yields better and with more consistant results when watered daily to run-off"
Your method isn't new, we've all tried it. But every problem I had with coco evaporated when I started to use it properly. Watering every day to run-off I no longer even have to check pH. Also comparing EC of run-off to feed, although not perfect, can also help you spot/avoid problems before they even happen.
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BluntItUp said:
Absolutely not!!!! Please step away from the Cal-Mag+, lmfao. Dude, after what it did to my grow, I've been using it for a weed killer out in the back yard. Seriously, if you're using tap water, put the Cal-Mag+ where you can never find it again.
hazyfontazy, thanks for the plug man. Grow's going great! At day 77 now and waiting for the color to show in the trichs. Been sampling the lower pop corn buds and the shit's the bomb. Both plants are extremely smooth smokes and the best isn't even here yet. Really got lucky on this one. Had a lot of help from gdude too.
The "scientist" isn't going to listen. He's made a stand and he's gonna ride it to the ground. Disregarding proof in favor of speculation isn't very scientific. Ever thought that the envelope that was handed to the guy in the video was from the "competition" who wanted us to fuck up our grows, lmfao.
Just a thought.
Peace
yeah mother plants or plants that have a long veg phase do not need run off every time. you can keep vegging plants happy in coco pretty easily. but a bit of run off here and there will also help to keep the plants looking happier, even with mothers but also in veg.
BluntItUp mate, if you feel your plants need more food, you need to add more A+B. like mojo said, you don't need the cal mag if using tap water.
BluntItUp mate, if you feel your plants need more food, you need to add more A+B. like mojo said, you don't need the cal mag if using tap water.
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|\|!tr0u$ said:i typically handwater throughout veg and since they are not in the flower room(with drain system), i want zero runoff.
however, in flower, they get plenty of runoff since drainage is taken care of.
this plant is on day1 of flip. but, i use 18gal containers
How long was that beast vegged for?
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nice debate!
lol as not to call it anything else! lol
go easy dudes, its all what works for each individual grow/grower...
As my bigger plants did get flooded and got alot of run off, then I started to think about how much $$$ I was wasting...
usually the smaller plants/clones in cups are fed with a turkey baster and rarely get much run off, but do drip out a bit...
I say as long as the medium stays moist inbetween waterings, and doesnt dry out, the plants should do well...
Something makes me want to germ some widow!
Xtra
lol as not to call it anything else! lol
go easy dudes, its all what works for each individual grow/grower...
As my bigger plants did get flooded and got alot of run off, then I started to think about how much $$$ I was wasting...
usually the smaller plants/clones in cups are fed with a turkey baster and rarely get much run off, but do drip out a bit...
I say as long as the medium stays moist inbetween waterings, and doesnt dry out, the plants should do well...
Something makes me want to germ some widow!
Xtra
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Just thought I'd let everybody know that I found out the "scientist" is actually blind. And apparently over a year ago, some warped animal of a person, in an effort to be funny, placed two adhesive backed 3M 80 grit sanding strips over his computer entry pad/monitor. The sadistic person that did this died later that afternoon in a car wreck and was unable to remove the sandpaper. So all this time, scientist has been both sending and receiving really garbled messages and that, at least to me, explains his seeming inability to exhibit any signs of fucking intelligence when it comes to growing in coco.
I know a lot of you now will want to keep him in your prayers as the sores on the tips of his fingers continue to heal.
I'm not going to go to hell for making up all this am I? I really should act more my age. Just realized I've made about 5 short posts tonight. Took me 3 and a half hours to do them (this fucking indica is kickass). None of them benefited mankind in any way. Not one of them contained even the smallest speck of useful information. And I thought each one of them was on the humorous side. And they're probably not... But I've been sampling the recipe a little tonight and I could probably even find a little bit of humor in Monica's description of Bill's cock... wait, that's a bad example cause that was pretty much funny to everybody, right?
Sorry for posting needless bullshit. Next time I smoke, if I ever quit this time, I'll get my wife to tape my eyes shut and stick some 80 grit sandpaper to my keyboard.
Peace bros and bras
I know a lot of you now will want to keep him in your prayers as the sores on the tips of his fingers continue to heal.
I'm not going to go to hell for making up all this am I? I really should act more my age. Just realized I've made about 5 short posts tonight. Took me 3 and a half hours to do them (this fucking indica is kickass). None of them benefited mankind in any way. Not one of them contained even the smallest speck of useful information. And I thought each one of them was on the humorous side. And they're probably not... But I've been sampling the recipe a little tonight and I could probably even find a little bit of humor in Monica's description of Bill's cock... wait, that's a bad example cause that was pretty much funny to everybody, right?
Sorry for posting needless bullshit. Next time I smoke, if I ever quit this time, I'll get my wife to tape my eyes shut and stick some 80 grit sandpaper to my keyboard.
Peace bros and bras
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There is something I am learning the hard way about coco. Your medium mix plays a big part in how you scedule your waterings. Just so I don't have to repost what I just wrote over on another thread...check this out:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59597
Cheers,
SH
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59597
Cheers,
SH
thescientist
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ha ha ha. ha ha ha. Now bow to thcientist. Cuz guess what even canna agrees.
thescientist
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Your welcome for like telling you guys a month before your precious canna.
