Price of Electricity

[Ca++]

I see, but what about growing during the fall, winter, spring time? Especially to meet the demand of customers?
And frankly, many growers, I´m sure,simply don´t have enough land available to grow on during the summer months. There´s the catch, at least the way I see from here

I'm in the UK, and here we grow under glass but take a few months off. Doing something a little bigger while the sun is available, but also using supplemental light based on the weather.

I would love to be in in a better climate, weather and legally. Farm land here is about £10 a meter to buy, but get permission to build and it's £100 a meter. Actually build on £1000 of farm land, and that's a £20,000 a year rent. You could say, that comparatively, ploytunnels are free, and you get free light. So you go big, just once a year. In the winter, go on holiday
There are people doing hectares outside, working in buckets using land that's worthless. We can look to Spain as a local example of greenhouses on land that's little use for anything else. Yet very viable for us with our high value crop.
There really isn't reason to be growing anything inside, except for problems with society. It was trendy to grow herbs in cities, and people thought it had a future. However not with fuel as it is now. The fancy restaurant can wait another hour to get it from out of town.

However much light you can get for free, has to be worth pursuing. If someone really must do a 5kw indoor in somewhere like cali, then I have no issue with them buying some solar panels to light their secure bunker. Polluting the air needlessly needs looking at though. I thought this long before power rationing was spoke about. I think if that happens, a lot of people will suddenly be out of favour.

The simplicity of it is, how can you burn a streets worth of power, when your street is having power outages and you could just grow outside. I would expect lynching.

 

[GoatCheese]

Should people be using lights when they could use the sun? it's the same thing. There is just no need for it. It's not harmonious. It's taking what you don't need, at the expense of everyone else. I know you think it's justified, which is why the legal system needs to look at this.

I'm sat in the UK, in some way suffering the consequences of a grow opp in cali, that need not exist. Perhaps I should invade. That seems in line with your feelings

..at it again, ay.

Rather contradictory that you put down my simple timer set-up to control RH% temps when i wasn’t interested in your fancy clima-control (consumes energy and resources).
And you put down my coleslaw-plastics for rooting cuttings when i thought your electricity consuming digitally controlled cooler idea was too complicated.

..and here you are talking about enforcing people to use less energy with a law and that people shouldn’t be allowed to grow indoors. What a goofball.

I AM THE ONE actually saving energy and resources when i re-use plastic containers from food stuff to root my cuttings in, or when i don’t have clima-control on my veg cab and only open the door once in a while
.. while you’re pushing people to consume more and use more energy. You’re part of the problem.

You should be put to a re-education camp to fix that scatter brain of yours.

You’re quite a comedy act.

 

[Brother Nature]

1. Make friends with a linesman 2. Get them to teach you how to properly tap the grid. 3. Problem solved.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Back in the day of analog electric meters, I used to sell a kit on eBay that provided parts and instructions to remove your meter, change out one or two of the gears and reduce your electric bill by 20%, 30% or 50%, depending on which gear you used. I remember I felt that any more than 50% would alert someone and it would lead back to me. That's pretty funny. I'm selling it on eBay and accepting PayPal for payment and I think I am being super cool stealth. LMAO Well, geeze, I used an alias when joining so how would they know who I am? LOL Damn, you've come a long way, baby. LOL

I even sold the tags that seal the meter and if I didn't have your style tag, I had a little kit that cut the wire and then re-sealed it afterwards with a clear heat shrink so it was almost impossible to notice unless you were looking for it. LOL I had dozens of different meters all over my garage in pieces, learning how each one worked. LMAO

Ya know, if I had dedicated as much time in my live doing good as I have doing bad, I would be a saint. LOL

 

[Wall]

old meter is top !

 

[Ca++]

This time machine spins the meter back, about 18 units an hour. A wire in 1 and 4, then plug it in. Reverse the 1 and 4 to go forward when you overshoot
Nice bit of kit. Totally submersible. Internal protection. It's like the magnet trick, only spinning the magnet externally.

Edit: I forgot, Goat Cheese, something about he's at it again. I don't know. I'm not sure why I have wasted this much time. If anyone wants to point me to any good bits okay. Otherwise we can just ignore him.

 

[ojd]

Electricity is going up crazy in the UK and will have many more people looking into stealing Electricity.

Some places i work at already steal the electric but others not , a small 6 lighter on pre payment meter is more than £150 a week now and is suppose to double so £300 ? , thats insane and im starting to think the places we pay at in UK for personal might even have to shut down, steal elec or start selling weed or seeds to cover cost , even friends who just do personal grows will have to sell some to pay for crazy rising electricity cost.

Most big grow gangs all steal the electric in UK so shouldn't really push cost up but you know prices on weed will go up anyway, i dont buy so wont effect me but feel bad for the small guy buying an ounce a week , will probably force alot of people to start growing if ounce price goes up to much

 

[nono_fr]

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[GreenAndFast]

If I have to start buying again I'd be about 400 in the hole with how much I consume

 

[Blue Rhino]

Should people be using lights when they could use the sun? it's the same thing. There is just no need for it. It's not harmonious. It's taking what you don't need, at the expense of everyone else. I know you think it's justified, which is why the legal system needs to look at this.

Hilarious. I live in a place where hydro is routinely dumped but I guess I'm just a selfish asshole for growing indoors, right?

 

[GMT]

What are they expecting families on benefits who have small kids meant to do when power bills exceed their income and they still need food etc? We just won a war in Iraq and gave their oil to U.S. and U.K. oil companies for 75 years, why do we need to pay market prices when the public just paid for a war to get cheap fucking oil?

 

[Ca++]

Hilarious. I live in a place where hydro is routinely dumped but I guess I'm just a selfish asshole for growing indoors, right?

Yeah, I will go along with it. Though I have no idea what you are saying. Does it help the power crisis?

No need to answer. I knew it would get an emotional response.

 

[Ca++]

What are they expecting families on benefits who have small kids meant to do when power bills exceed their income and they still need food etc? We just won a war in Iraq and gave their oil to U.S. and U.K. oil companies for 75 years, why do we need to pay market prices when the public just paid for a war to get cheap fucking oil?

The law has minimum living standards. They have been getting payments for this already. £350 so far.

How does that make you feel. Presuming you pay, not claim.

 

[Blue Rhino]

Yeah, I will go along with it. Though I have no idea what you are saying. Does it help the power crisis?

No need to answer. I knew it would get an emotional response.

You don't know what 'dumping hydro' means? How about if I said, "dumping excess power generation", would you have an idea then?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

We heard all this bollocks about us getting cheap power forever - when they discovered and started to develop the North Sea oil fields - 50 years or so ago - in the UK - but it hasn't panned out that way - utilities used to be nationalised - but since privatisation - prices have skyrocketed - now mostly owned by foreign companies - the power companies have us by the balls -

 

[GMT]

The law has minimum living standards. They have been getting payments for this already. £350 so far.

How does that make you feel. Presuming you pay, not claim.

When the bosses are getting 7 figure bonuses, and were expecting £1k bills per month, and the poorest have had £350 towards it, I'm angry at anyone who thinks there aren't major riots coming to the UK like we haven't seen on the mainland before. Millions live on an annual income less than projected bills. Not just those on benefits. And all to line the pockets of corrupt Ukrainian officials and the back handers returned.
I know they needed to take our eye off their covid scams, but this takes taking the piss to a new level. I really can't see this working out well.

 

[RudeDog]

In the UK, the Tories sold off the gas storage facilities we had. Now the gas we get from the North Sea is sold into the EU then we buy it back and use it generate electricity. Absolute madness! Seems like all the privatising Thatcher did has turned to shit.

 

[Hammerhead]

We heard all this bollocks about us getting cheap power forever - when they discovered and started to develop the North Sea oil fields - 50 years or so ago - in the UK - but it hasn't panned out that way - utilities used to be nationalised - but since privatisation - prices have skyrocketed - now mostly owned by foreign companies - the power companies have us by the balls -

Corporate greed is at an all time high. Is this old news?.

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The further £12 billion of support we are providing includes:

• the National Living Wage will increase to £9.50 an hour this April, providing an extra £1,000 pay for a full-time worker – this has risen every year since it was introduced in 2016
• a freeze on fuel duty for the twelfth year in a row, meaning the average driver has saved £1,900 since 2010
• cuts to the Universal Credit taper rate and uplift to work allowance will put an extra £1,000 extra a year into the pockets of 2 million low-income families
• the £500 million Household Support Fund supporting millions of households in England with essentials over the coming months
• the Cold Weather Payment which provides £25 extra a week for poorer households when the temperature is consistently below zero

 

[GMT]

The nation living wage is NOT the same thing as minimum wage. It is what is recommended to employers if they want to be considered nice employers. Minimum wage is what they actually have to pay out.

Poor people use public transport, they don't save money they never had.

Universal credit taper rate only applies to those who get benefits, but are moving into work. This is a fraction of the population, and does nothing for those not moving into work from benefits.

Household support funds equates to less than £10 per person. That's not going to go far.

The cold weather payment only kicks in if it doesn't go above zero degrees Celsius for about a week. (Exact time scale uncertain but it's not for any day it drops below freezing). Then it's £25 per week on heating costs of more than £250 per week.

This won't touch the sides.

 

[Ca++]

In the UK, the Tories sold off the gas storage facilities we had. Now the gas we get from the North Sea is sold into the EU then we buy it back and use it generate electricity. Absolute madness! Seems like all the privatising Thatcher did has turned to shit.

Yes, 5 years ago we closed that one big facility, as we headed away from gas. We hoped to not need it, but kept it to be safe. Now it's to be opened again. We were heading away from gas for good reason, and here we are seeing it unfold.

1997-2010 were the Labour Party years. Not a single reactor plan was accepted in that time. The average installation takes 8 years to build, so prices could of been dropping 4 years ago. In that time there was no labour force being created to run these specialised plants that they were not letting us have. Labour would of kept the gas storage perhaps, but were they not more interested in EU harmonisation than the harder line Conservatives?

As soon as the Conservatives got back in, they were looking at fixing this. However, we had no staff. No designers. For 13 years nuclear had been squashed. We were left talking to the french and Chinese, and even mixing teams from each in order to get an effective team together. We struggle to build anything. Bottling up a finite gas source as a plan for the future isn't the way forward. Though we did keep the bottle.

We knew at the time that Labour's views on nuclear had already taken us past the point of no return. They were happy buying from france, who have threatened to pull the plug on us, in their typical obstinate way. Security just isn't on Labour's mind. Most supporters are not sure what is anymore. Just last year their internal votes swung towards nuclear being a consideration again. The Labour way is to be friends with all, and expect the same back. It's not geared up towards making grown up decisions.

Boris just signed off on a plant in Norfolk that will supply 7% of our needs. I hope the Conservatives stay in, and we don't get the crowd pleasers. We need a party of action right now. Not a switch to something else.