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Three Berries
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I'm lucky here in the US to belong to a Rural Coop for electricity. It's not voluntary, the urban areas are the normal commercial providers, the rural areas are the Coops. But my local Coop belongs to the national Coop which is where they produce the power rather than the big commercial generator. Current KWH cost is $.034 a kwh but then they add on all the other cost and it comes out to around $.150 a kwh. Been stable for the last 10 years at that. They told us at the annual meeting they did not expect any issues with cost or supply this summer and so far looks to be good. Coal is about 70% of the generation.
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Cuddles
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well, happy birthday, mate! Hope it was a good one
Cuddles
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I´ve already posted this elsewhere but here goes:
My supplier increased my monthly payment by 11 EUR!! Which means I pay 106 quid a month!
Even though I used the same amount as last year and the years before. really pisses me off, because I really struggle paying for anything anyway
I started trying to save energy before they send me the letter though.
I started turning the water heater off in the bathroom, as well as the little boiler in my kitchen.
Nothing I can do about the fridge but I hope this helps a little. Can´t wait to see if I get a refund next summer.
My supplier increased my monthly payment by 11 EUR!! Which means I pay 106 quid a month!
Even though I used the same amount as last year and the years before. really pisses me off, because I really struggle paying for anything anyway
I started trying to save energy before they send me the letter though.
I started turning the water heater off in the bathroom, as well as the little boiler in my kitchen.
Nothing I can do about the fridge but I hope this helps a little. Can´t wait to see if I get a refund next summer.
nono_fr
Active member
For the boiler I use a gaz one, it sings when it is ready !
This year I pay 90 € / month instead of 60 € last year !!!
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nuclear plant doesn't work because of the heatwave . In France, the water (river) downstream of the plant must not be higher than 28°C ( 82.4 °F ). So it is not energy for global warming !
Due to the heat in France, nuclear power plants were turned off. This can happen in Russia if no one violates the instructions – nuclear physicist Ozharovsky
https://americandailynewspaper.com/...he-instructions-nuclear-physicist-ozharovsky/
This year I pay 90 € / month instead of 60 € last year !!!
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nuclear plant doesn't work because of the heatwave . In France, the water (river) downstream of the plant must not be higher than 28°C ( 82.4 °F ). So it is not energy for global warming !
Due to the heat in France, nuclear power plants were turned off. This can happen in Russia if no one violates the instructions – nuclear physicist Ozharovsky
https://americandailynewspaper.com/...he-instructions-nuclear-physicist-ozharovsky/
Cuddles
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by boiler I meant the thing under the sink, it provides the hot water from the tap.For the boiler I use a gaz one, it sings when it is ready !
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This year I pay 90 € / month instead of 60 € last year !!!
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nuclear plant doesn't work because of the heatwave . In France, the water (river) downstream of the plant must not be higher than 28°C ( 82.4 °F ). So it is not energy for global warming !
Due to the heat in France, nuclear power plants were turned off. This can happen in Russia if no one violates the instructions – nuclear physicist Ozharovsky
https://americandailynewspaper.com/...he-instructions-nuclear-physicist-ozharovsky/
For making tea I recently bought a new water kettle. After my old one had sort of `melted´ (it was a plastic one) I was forced to boil the water in a pot on the cooker. It used up more energy than the kettle, that´s for sure.
I haven´t used the one you have for yeeeaaars! My mum still has hers though
nono_fr
Active member
France plays with fire !
France Waives Nuclear Plant Environmental Rules in Energy Crunch - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-to-keep-nuclear-plants-online-in-hot-weather
The Tricastin Evolutionary Power Reactor nuclear power plant, operated by Electricite de France SA, in Saint-Paul-Trois-Chateaux, France.
Photographer: Theo Giacometti/Bloomberg
France Waives Nuclear Plant Environmental Rules in Energy Crunch - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-to-keep-nuclear-plants-online-in-hot-weather
The Tricastin Evolutionary Power Reactor nuclear power plant, operated by Electricite de France SA, in Saint-Paul-Trois-Chateaux, France.
Photographer: Theo Giacometti/Bloomberg
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Cuddles
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this is an interesting new design for wind energy. I like the phallic shape and I can see the papers coming up with nicknames for it already
Here´s a a small bit of the full article:
In the company’s vision, larger versions of the Vortex Bladeless device would be ideal for generating energy in populated areas, especially if used in concert with solar power. Potentially, Vortex generators mounted on a roof in conjunction with solar panels could produce enough energy to make a house self-sufficient.
“They are very synergistic technologies because at night there’s more wind and in the daytime the panels are collecting sunlight,” David says. “Also, the visual and noise impact is very low, and the cost is low.”
A further advantage is that the electricity is produced on site — there is no need for long transmission systems.
Vortex Bladeless, the wind turbine ©Vortex Bladeless
The start-up, called Vortex Bladeless, officially came into being in 2014. The company holds five patents on the invention.
In the beginning, Vortex received help from some angel investors, as well as a key grant from the Repsol Foundation to develop the technology, and since then other investors and institutions have offered support.
Vortex Bladeless was one of the prize winners in the 2021 Social Innovation Tournament. The contest was created by the European Investment Bank Institute to support entrepreneurs who are helping the environmental or society. Vortex won the opportunity to attend an INSEAD Social Entrepreneurship Programme. It has won numerous other awards, and the European Commission is providing funding for Vortex’s work with its Horizon 2020 programme for research and innovation.
Here´s the article in full:
www.eib.org
Here´s a a small bit of the full article:
The soul sister of solar power
The current prototypes, called Nano Vortexes, are about 85 centimetres high, and only create enough energy to charge a cell phone or light a small LED array.In the company’s vision, larger versions of the Vortex Bladeless device would be ideal for generating energy in populated areas, especially if used in concert with solar power. Potentially, Vortex generators mounted on a roof in conjunction with solar panels could produce enough energy to make a house self-sufficient.
“They are very synergistic technologies because at night there’s more wind and in the daytime the panels are collecting sunlight,” David says. “Also, the visual and noise impact is very low, and the cost is low.”
A further advantage is that the electricity is produced on site — there is no need for long transmission systems.
The start-up, called Vortex Bladeless, officially came into being in 2014. The company holds five patents on the invention.
In the beginning, Vortex received help from some angel investors, as well as a key grant from the Repsol Foundation to develop the technology, and since then other investors and institutions have offered support.
Vortex Bladeless was one of the prize winners in the 2021 Social Innovation Tournament. The contest was created by the European Investment Bank Institute to support entrepreneurs who are helping the environmental or society. Vortex won the opportunity to attend an INSEAD Social Entrepreneurship Programme. It has won numerous other awards, and the European Commission is providing funding for Vortex’s work with its Horizon 2020 programme for research and innovation.
Here´s the article in full:
Spanish engineer creates a new path to renewable wind energy
Entrepreneur uses the story of a bridge collapse to create a bladeless wind turbine
www.eib.org
Cuddles
Well-known member
speaking of putting hot water into the rivers:
Years ago I saw a bit on TV about a town in Germany and in a part of it they were infested by mosquitos all summer. They found out that a company was more or less responsible. The heat and extra humidity caused by the hot water turned out to be a breeding ground for the little buggers. Hot water , sunshine ...they were sooo happy about it that they were bonking and reproducing like crazy!
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Three Berries
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My area has 7 nukes in a 150 miles. Most are river or artificial lake cooled but they have to throttle them back when the water gets low, which fortunately isn't very often. All those nukes so close and none of my power comes from there.For the boiler I use a gaz one, it sings when it is ready !
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This year I pay 90 € / month instead of 60 € last year !!!
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nuclear plant doesn't work because of the heatwave . In France, the water (river) downstream of the plant must not be higher than 28°C ( 82.4 °F ). So it is not energy for global warming !
Due to the heat in France, nuclear power plants were turned off. This can happen in Russia if no one violates the instructions – nuclear physicist Ozharovsky
https://americandailynewspaper.com/...he-instructions-nuclear-physicist-ozharovsky/
A lot of windfarms around too but only about 20% makes it to the local grid either.
Ca++
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The rabbit stick at nearly 3 meters, makes 100w of power. They arr also tuned to work at certain wind speeds, and literally stop outside of the design range. Generally 2-9 meters per second. It's an interesting concept, but needs a lot of work. The basic aerodynamic design has no active tuning, as nearly any wing or blade does. It's very much in it's infancy, and they need someone with the vision to see this. They are more interested in making the tech they have legally theirs. Which is useless anyway. They are going to waste a lot of money showing other people how not to do it. People like myself, who will see how to.
I have a grow at the design stage using passive heat recovery. Venting out 28c air is a waste, when it's pulling air into the building that needs warming. It's a long term project, but I might sketch it out at some point. It's just a giant liebig or balanced flue. Condensation will be interesting.
They are taking gas away from us. Heating with electric costs about 3 times more. So They will use the gas, to make us electric. Charging us 3 times more. While wasting power converting the energy from the gas to electric. The net result, as demand exceeds supply, is less fuel getting to us, at a higher price. Genius.
Right now, a typical pump, can use a kw of electric to shift a kw of heat. Which appears to make getting heat from electric, no more expensive than heat from gas. After buying and servicing the installation. However, this 3:1 efficiency is just typical. Some of these systems claim 4:1 and it's true. If it's about 40c outside and you actually want to bring that in, you might get 4:1. However if it's about 4c outside, your well sized installation is going to struggle getting your home above 20c. At these low temps, where you need the heating most, you will need fan heaters to boost indoors to building design temperatures. That's 18c bedroom, 23c lounge, 21c in active areas.
I don't know of a single person that boils the right amount of water for a brew. People often notice I do. A lot of people always fill the kettle fully in the morning, and boil it all day long. It's a 3kw device. Your shower might be a 12kw device. At £1 per kwh, that means £12 an hour to run the shower. A 15 minute session per day, would be £100 a month. I think it's about £30 now.
The electric cars thing is really starting to look like a bad idea. Taking the fuel from cars, to make electric for them. It's not right. I think we need a very quick shift in these plans, to hydrogen. It's still an electric car, but with a fuel cell that makes electric, not a battery. Such a cell might not provide power quick enough to make the 500bhp that makes electric cars appealing to a buyer used to petrol cars. However I do worry about everybody having cars with over 200bhp. Even the worst shopping box will be easy to mod for crazy fast short sprints. There will be a lot of congestion caused by crashes as people hit real speed off the lights, trying to get the lane.
I don't actually want 500bhp. It's only use is in a straight line, where there is no driver skill. Public roads rarely look like an F1 track. The skill in having 500bhp, is trying not to use it. Unless your American. Then it's only 100bhp per ton anyway, and not expected to go round a corner. A electric rangerover is going to be similarly slow. Which brings us to making cars weigh less. F1 is about to focus more on weight than ever before. So we might see a nice drive-able hydrogen car before long.
There is one fuel I'm particularly interested in. CO2 harvested from the atmosphere, being used to make a synthetic petrol replacement. It's still in the hands of the developers rather than produced at scale. £10 a liter they are saying today. Just 5x more than petrol. I will pay that for my classic, and I know it's going to get cheaper. In 10 years, it might be the price we expect petrol to be anyway. It's co2 neutral, as the harvested co2 goes back. It needs renewable energy to process it, and it's then perfectly green.
Plastics recycling isn't viable right now. Or is it? As councils are trialing recovery. They basically heat it up, and it gasses off. The gas is filtered to loose the soot, and the vapour condensed into a crude oil substitute the plastic industry can use as virgin material. Any plastic, with a high recovery rate. This crude isn't for fuel, but lessens the crude oil consumed by that industry. So we can get it. Tech such as this needs people to pioneer it now. I'm really quite interested.
I have a grow at the design stage using passive heat recovery. Venting out 28c air is a waste, when it's pulling air into the building that needs warming. It's a long term project, but I might sketch it out at some point. It's just a giant liebig or balanced flue. Condensation will be interesting.
They are taking gas away from us. Heating with electric costs about 3 times more. So They will use the gas, to make us electric. Charging us 3 times more. While wasting power converting the energy from the gas to electric. The net result, as demand exceeds supply, is less fuel getting to us, at a higher price. Genius.
Right now, a typical pump, can use a kw of electric to shift a kw of heat. Which appears to make getting heat from electric, no more expensive than heat from gas. After buying and servicing the installation. However, this 3:1 efficiency is just typical. Some of these systems claim 4:1 and it's true. If it's about 40c outside and you actually want to bring that in, you might get 4:1. However if it's about 4c outside, your well sized installation is going to struggle getting your home above 20c. At these low temps, where you need the heating most, you will need fan heaters to boost indoors to building design temperatures. That's 18c bedroom, 23c lounge, 21c in active areas.
I don't know of a single person that boils the right amount of water for a brew. People often notice I do. A lot of people always fill the kettle fully in the morning, and boil it all day long. It's a 3kw device. Your shower might be a 12kw device. At £1 per kwh, that means £12 an hour to run the shower. A 15 minute session per day, would be £100 a month. I think it's about £30 now.
The electric cars thing is really starting to look like a bad idea. Taking the fuel from cars, to make electric for them. It's not right. I think we need a very quick shift in these plans, to hydrogen. It's still an electric car, but with a fuel cell that makes electric, not a battery. Such a cell might not provide power quick enough to make the 500bhp that makes electric cars appealing to a buyer used to petrol cars. However I do worry about everybody having cars with over 200bhp. Even the worst shopping box will be easy to mod for crazy fast short sprints. There will be a lot of congestion caused by crashes as people hit real speed off the lights, trying to get the lane.
I don't actually want 500bhp. It's only use is in a straight line, where there is no driver skill. Public roads rarely look like an F1 track. The skill in having 500bhp, is trying not to use it. Unless your American. Then it's only 100bhp per ton anyway, and not expected to go round a corner. A electric rangerover is going to be similarly slow. Which brings us to making cars weigh less. F1 is about to focus more on weight than ever before. So we might see a nice drive-able hydrogen car before long.
There is one fuel I'm particularly interested in. CO2 harvested from the atmosphere, being used to make a synthetic petrol replacement. It's still in the hands of the developers rather than produced at scale. £10 a liter they are saying today. Just 5x more than petrol. I will pay that for my classic, and I know it's going to get cheaper. In 10 years, it might be the price we expect petrol to be anyway. It's co2 neutral, as the harvested co2 goes back. It needs renewable energy to process it, and it's then perfectly green.
Plastics recycling isn't viable right now. Or is it? As councils are trialing recovery. They basically heat it up, and it gasses off. The gas is filtered to loose the soot, and the vapour condensed into a crude oil substitute the plastic industry can use as virgin material. Any plastic, with a high recovery rate. This crude isn't for fuel, but lessens the crude oil consumed by that industry. So we can get it. Tech such as this needs people to pioneer it now. I'm really quite interested.
Used to belong to a rural coop for electricity, was the least I ever paid for a power bill.
Checked on them, and it is currently going for 12.10 per KWH.
Was surprised to see how extensively they are going into solar, but I suppose it makes sense given
their tasking of providing power at the lowest price possible.
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Ca++
Well-known member
30 years ago we could pay a tarrif to get a separate rate from midnight to 7am, which was that much.Used to belong to a rural coop for electricity, was the least I ever paid for a power bill.
Checked on them, and it is currently going for 12.10 per KWH.
Was surprised to see how extensively they are going into solar, but I suppose it makes sense given
their tasking of providing power at the lowest price possible.
Spotsylvania County, VA: Electricity Rates, Providers & More
Find out what the electric rates in Spotsylvania County, Virginia are including in Spotsylvania Courthouse CDP, Lake Wilderness CDP, and the surrounding area.
Three Berries
Active member
There are a couple old vertical bladeless wind generators in Morris Il. They looked like they are at least 20 years old and not working. But the problem with the vertical ones is the are so close to the ground and the wind speed drops off considerably.
Three Berries
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Tesla's patents will free the world!
Cali power is insanely expensive. A small 5kw operation is 1k$ a month easy..
