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Hammerhead

Hammerhead

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no reversals. I used the male I found from Peyote Purple s1.. Ya im not sure what it will be
s2 f2,3,4. I have a thread in the breeders Lab. I believe you posted in it...
 
KiefSweat

KiefSweat

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all i know is that your cross on paper will be fairly inbred (the m/f offspring)
If you find some good plants I would outcross them another fairly stable line to see what type of heterosis you see.

it is probably oversimplifying it a bit but in my mind an s2 is really a "cubed" plant
 
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blueberrydrumz

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serious6 said:
GIBBERALLIC ACID is organic and can be used to produce fem seeds. incorrectly done and you can get males or mules. i know from experience.


SOME breeders are producing FEM seeds only to protect their seed sales and genetics. try to clone or breed a FEM and you will find out why?

to the 2 replys - you can clone a FEM but go ahead and breed them, i dare you! have you ever done any breeding? and if the clone is sold and some1 else tries to breed them? go for it!
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Hi,
pls explain how you made FEM Seeds with GA3.... whot was the dosage.. and how often did you spray?
 
foomar

foomar

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Excellent read.

Cucumbers

Plenty of varieties are available which have been produced without embryo culture.
However, breeders use strictly female lines which are treated with silver nitrate or
gibberelin to induce a masculine blossom (for seed production). The Ministry of
Agriculture, Nature Management and Fisheries has asked the organic sector to make
a decision about the suitability of silver nitrate and gibberelin. Alternative methods to
induce a masculine flower do exist, but as yet they are inconsistent and
unpredictable. With further research, feasible and reliable alternatives could probably
be developed.
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This seems to be the way they do it , not sure if relevant to canna.

The most effective staminate flower induction was observed on gynoecious lines treated with silver nitrate rather than silver thiosulfate and gibbereillc acid (GA3). As silver ion is a potent anti-ethylene agent in cucumber and tomato (Elmo, 1976). It inhibits synthesis of ethylene and thus induce staminate flowers (Krishnamoorthy, 1975). Though GA3 also inhibit the endogenous ethylene level through auxin, the induction may be more in silver ion because silver nitrate is a chemical and gibberellic acid is a kind of growth regulator (Tolla and Peterson, 1979). Lower et al. (1978 ) and Nijs and Wisser (1979) also reported for less effectiveness of GA3 than silver nitrate.
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serious6

serious6

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there was a company called super - grow that sold the gibberallic acid, and had the receipe for making FEM seeds. this i used and it involved using a small amount cooked in alcohol and then mixed with other ingrediants to be used on the seeds while still on the plant. they sold hormones, acids, grow tonics ect.... the fulvic acid made my veg plants grow 5' tall in 3 weeks. it was a chinese business that was banned in canada but sold to the usa.

i also have watched other breeders create fem beans but learned my lesson NOT 2. i use regular beans and breed with them.
 
serious6

serious6

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what i have been saying all along but the old members dont like the mention of this. most of them have the genetics and dont want others to get them so they support FEM seeds that were first made for medical marijuana growers. they dont want the genetics out there for all.

no gloves and now i have 5 serious mules and 1 true male; their chewing the mj and im here.
 
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KiefSweat

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serious6 said:
what i have been saying all along but the old members dont like the mention of this. most of them have the genetics and dont want others to get them so they support FEM seeds that were first made for medical marijuana growers. they dont want the genetics out there for all.

no gloves and now i have 5 serious mules and 1 true male; their chewing the mj and im here.
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fem seeds where made for field hemp years before any one starting smoking "medical marijuana"

and that company sounds like they where selling lots of toxic chemicals. Colchicine instead of fulvic acid for one. Even organic chems can be highly toxic.
Point is most people have no idea about the shit they bought nor how to use it properly.
 
rabid

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FWIW--This thread reminded me that I bought some GA3 in 2010, put it in the freezer and forgot about it until now. It was readily available on Ebay back then and the invoice says I paid $10 for two grams.

It was to be used on veggies and fruits by my neighbor--the mad gardener--on some of the stuff in his greenhouse. Sorry about the crummy pics:



Will I ever use this tool on canna plants? I don't think so until I learn more about it and maybe not even then...
 
Tom Hill

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Serious6, I am having some difficulty understanding what you mean by mules? You have either males that do not produce viable pollen or females that fail to produce viable seed? Either of those scenarios are inherited traits as apposed to a product of the reversal itself. But the protocol you're describing doesn't sound like GA3 reversal to me so it's all a bit confusing to follow.

As to these old members hoarding genetics I see no evidence of this, most folk I know are 100% in favor of a level playing field. You should be able to cast a net build a library of your favorites and work with them till your heart's content.

If you are not comfortable with the idea of using chems for reversal then there are other methods available. Few if any are the plants I've seen anybody is working with can not be reversed via other techniques (light poisoning etc). I wonder how the Louis Bolk Institute et al would feel about some of these other techniques though and may even argue that indoor cultivation itself falls outside of their proposed organic protocol, ie a diversity limiting ecological detour regardless of whether or not you're using males, then what?

Tell you what here is a stick, there is the sand, draw the line where you like but just as in that posted document it will not likely be plain to see exactly where that line should be drawn. -T
 
serious6

serious6

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my answer

my answer

hello TOM; what i refer to as a mule is a plant that does not show sex naturally outdoor or in under sunshine or any light cycle. this is what im referring to as a real mule cannot reproduce. using GA; i was told by the company who provided the plant reproduction method, how to make FEM seeds and was told that incorrectly made the GA solution could have this outcome.

fumble fingers here got it right on the first attempt and produced about 50,000 seeds that never sexed the following months after letting the seeds mature. on my second attempt i got female seeds only, but found the clones as the FEM mother aged seemed, no DID loose its potency. NO way i could breed them without hermies appearing. i have also back crossed and "selfed" which to me is letting the marijuana plant change sex, showing both sexes on the same plant either by stress or by mother nature.
 
rabid

rabid

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Tom--the line in the sand is still blurry (for me anyway) but at least I was able to clear up the waterlogged printing on the data sheet a bit. I'm sure this info is elementary to you but maybe it will be of interest to others. Thanks for your contributions to this thread :tiphat:

 
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tweeds

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how can i put this....will a heavily inbred, selfed line produce a good percentage of mutations from innerbreeding? kind of like when humans that are of direct relation innerbreed you get some funky mutations. I get that specific genetics are passed to the offspring that allows growers to produce near the same stock as the breeder. thanks for any input i dont know if this has been written about in the thread already i didn't have time to read it all...will get to it tomorrow...lol. thanks for any input!
tweeds
 
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pip313

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Actually the funky mutations in humans are Anti Nazi propaganda from the 1940's because of thier breeding program that involved siblings sometimes. If you read about the genetic bottleneck that caused our large brains to form you would know world wide human populations dropped to near 1000 people at one time. That means we are all inbread even beyond the fact that technically we have to be "imbred" because we can't mate with anything other than a animal with 99%+ the same dna- any other human

Do imbread people have a higher risk of disease and mutation? YES but its not as high as they wish to make it sound but don't use what I say as an excuse to marry your cousin lol.
 
KiefSweat

KiefSweat

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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucbhdjm/courses/b242/InbrDrift/InbrDrift.html

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to bad people can't go fuck themselves ;)
 
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