Please breeders we still want regular seeds too...

[headband 707]

id say a whole field of 1000 fem plants(not a very big field, btw)would probably go to mostly hermie 9 out of 10 times...people forget that hermys are natural and that in many places on this planet most of the females hermie automatically and there are very few pure males, i don't really see how having separate male and female plants would help the species survive, as far as i know, it's one of ONLY 2 plants that are annual and have separate male and female plants in the entire world! i think without human help maybe even most of it would be largely hermies...

they say after all that most sativa's have a tenancy to hermie in late flower, and thats after doing their best to breed the hermies out of the wild stock they built the strains from...because sativa's mostly all like to hermie in the wild...and indica was bred from sativa's for hash production by man over hundreds of years, indica's were not naturally evolved, it is a domesticated version of the plant, genetically almost identical, similar to the dog and the wolf...so in effect it's man that's been keeping the cannabis species from possessing hermy traits all over the world, traits that it would probably tend towards naturally if we were not here to dictate that it not be so...

i do understand the need for true breeding strains, with males and females, and no hermies, for domesticated pot production. feminizing seeds is a business practice to keep their hold on the genetics they have...this will not last long, it's a product of the black market, because there is only a few sources for seed right now they can give us whatever they want and we will buy it, but in the next 4 years incredible things are going to happen to cannabis, i believe it will be legal over most of the world by then and once you can buy locally bred seeds i don't think there will be a way for seed companies to monopolize genetics and feminize them so they can't be easily reused...after all, now there are hundreds of seed companies, imagine when there are thousands and thousands, if you want male/female seeds you will be able to get them! until legalization finally comes to fruition though many will have to put up with fem seeds.

i blame those nasty mutts of the cannabis world, the autoflowers, and the autoflower breaders for the popularization of "forced fem" stock, my way of saying, that they don't leave you any option for getting a male...they did this because it got them more sales, lowryder used to be male/female when it first came out, but people would spend the 100 bucks on a ten pack of seeds and grow them all in a little bunch, 9 weeks later they had hundreds of seeds for free and that same season they could grow hundreds more and never need to buy overpriced joint dr. stock again! thanks to the fact that autoflowers can't be cloned, no mothers can be made and kept. by only allowing fem versions of their strains they can force the newbe to buy from them over and over again instead of being able to start their own population. this is a bad practice in my opinion and stems from their monopoly on the market. not only are autoflowering plants the most pointless product in the game, but many many newbe's think it's the only way to grow a plant less than 18 inches tall which is total hooey...

i'm lazy about males, i like to build a harem of assorted female mothers first, then order a male/female seed pack, pick the best male, harvest his polen and store it, then pollenize what i want, when i want, i don't' trust myself with live males around so i guess i put up with the fem's, i have had issues with them hermying a little too easily for my liking, and given the choice i will usually always pick male/female over feminized, but if the strain i want is only in stock as feminized i'll buy it, and accept that if i do decide to breed with it it will have to be a hybrid, not an f2, although i'm not big on breeding, i don't have much room too try out new stock so when i get bored of what i have i am more inclined to try something totally different, rather than waste space crossing two strains i'm already sort of bored of and then hoping for something thats completely different. that goes for males too, i can't get annoyed with feminized strains too much because it is nice to be able to grow out two 5 packs of fem seeds in the same space as 10 regular seeds, meaning double the possible keeper moms vs the regular seeds where i am likely to only keep one female and have to grow 5 males for 6 weeks just so that i can find and kill them off...that takes up too much space for my small veg room, so my only reason to ever buy fems is that because of this black market i only have a tiny 2x2x3 foot flowering cab with less than 200 watts for veg...when it becomes legal i may expand, stop buying fem strains and breeding much more... or i may just start buying most of my stuff from the store and concentrating on more rare stuff in my little wardrobe cab...

Okay did I understand this right did you just say you put 1000 femmed seeds outside? The reason you can't do this is because of light leaks from the moon. Just to let you know in the future you can't put fem seeds outside because they will hermie on you.. So you might aswell just buy reg seeds .. headband 707

 

[mendo420]

cheese S1

cheese S1

My first cheese S1's are finished.
Amazing! Looks like the Real Deal!

Cant wait till this one finishes in October!



I WILL be running the cheese S1 seed in 2013.
I think I'm running all S1's next year.

GSC S1's how does that sound?

 

[mendo420]

BTW fem seeds will not hermie on you.

 

[hippydan]

Read every page. Tagging this one. Good stuff Tom and everyone else!

 

[roach]

Okay did I understand this right did you just say you put 1000 femmed seeds outside? The reason you can't do this is because of light leaks from the moon. Just to let you know in the future you can't put fem seeds outside because they will hermie on you.. So you might aswell just buy reg seeds .. headband 707

I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong, where did you read such nonsense? Femmed seeds grow just aswell outdoors as reg seeds, if your femmed seeds hermie on you outdoors it's not because of the moon, but because whoever made the seeds didn't select the propper parents

 

[siftedunity]

tbh this is a long surviving rant the whole thing about fem seed. i personally prefer regular but thats only my preference.

fem seeds have there place. the proof of which is that they sell well.
for those who are dead against, well you just have to learn to embrace some of these things and accept the new.

im sure its much cheaper to produce fem seeds because you can not have to keep males at all. so all your flowering space can be dedicated to seed producing females.

personally barneys or greenhouse or what not are generally junk anyway, not to say you wont find a keeper sometimes but what they advertise is rarely what the seeds produce.

 

[headband 707]

BTW fem seeds will not hermie on you.

really lol lol lol lol now that shit is funny.. you need to talk to my friends about fem seeds before you say shit like that bra lol Again I hate fem seeds personally I know others like S1 aswell but anything that selves I want nothing to do with lol headband 707

 

[headband 707]

I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong, where did you read such nonsense? Femmed seeds grow just aswell outdoors as reg seeds, if your femmed seeds hermie on you outdoors it's not because of the moon, but because whoever made the seeds didn't select the propper parents

I guess the guys whole experience with hermies was just a fluke then right LOL.. the whole 9 out of 10 plants that turned hermie on him LOL LOL LOL.. nah fem seeds don't turn hermie on ya keep buying them bra it's all good lol.. headband 707 damn I'm so stupid why do I post anyways

 

[roach]

I guess the guys whole experience with hermies was just a fluke then right LOL.. the whole 9 out of 10 plants that turned hermie on him LOL LOL LOL.. nah fem seeds don't turn hermie on ya keep buying them bra it's all good lol.. headband 707 damn I'm so stupid why do I post anyways

what you seem to not understand is that they didnt hermie because they where femmed, but because the breeder used shitty parents, I have seen lots of hermies in reg seeds too, because the breeder used bad parents, dont blame the seeds, blame the breeder

 

[headband 707]

what you seem to not understand is that they didnt hermie because they where femmed, but because the breeder used shitty parents, I have seen lots of hermies in reg seeds too, because the breeder used bad parents, dont blame the seeds, blame the breeder

LOL yeah okay lol.. Is that what I mean to say...
I think it's the same thing isn't it? lol.. Again I have never been a fan because it never seems to work out the way they say it's going to.. So I don't like to fuck around with bullshit so I don't Blame the breeder?? who else would I blame?? lol..headband707

 

[exploziv]

Blame the breeder?? who else would I blame?? lol..headband707

.. the moon??

Love this thread, and I always try to avoid feminised seeds, too bad so many breeders release only fem'ed seeds. Hope it will change sometimes soon.

 

[headband 707]

.. the moon??

Love this thread, and I always try to avoid feminised seeds, too bad so many breeders release only fem'ed seeds. Hope it will change sometimes soon.

yeah ok the moon lol...heheheh

 

[roach]

god damn some people are thick.... do you understand english?

feminizing the seeds will NOT make them hermie, choosing parents with hermie genes will give you hermies, so its not the feminization that is the problem but shitty breeders picking shitty parents

have you ever read anything remotely scientific? i guess not because then you would know the facts instead of this typical hippie nonsense

im wasting time...

 

[headband 707]

god damn some people are thick.... do you understand english?

feminizing the seeds will NOT make them hermie, choosing parents with hermie genes will give you hermies, so its not the feminization that is the problem but shitty breeders picking shitty parents

have you ever read anything remotely scientific? i guess not because then you would know the facts instead of this typical hippie nonsense

im wasting time...

lol no bra I don't read I have a problem reading that scientific stuff it fucks with my hippy mind..

 

[subrob]

Its such a shame that So much stoner bullshit still gets passed on in our community..been going on too long..you would think w the internet there would be less bullshit..but leave it to us fukn potheads to accomplish the nearly impossible
..people...there is NOTHING wrong w femmed seed..dont let stoner lore scare you..

 

[YosemiteSam]

Plus if you check with these "evil" breeders you will find customer demand is the real driving force behind fems...no conspiracy involved.

It is sad that there is so much good info out there that people refuse to take advantage of.

 

[tacotacoburrito]

Its such a shame that So much stoner bullshit still gets passed on in our community..been going on too long..you would think w the internet there would be less bullshit..but leave it to us fukn potheads to accomplish the nearly impossible
..people...there is NOTHING wrong w femmed seed..dont let stoner lore scare you..

I am glad others thinks its all about the genetics, I was starting to think I was the crazy one.

If someone grows a reg seed and it hermies he blames the breeder. Same scenario but femmed seeds and it's because it's female. WTF?

Experience seems to agree, I had an out gassing issue early this year after redoing my room and suddenly nothing grew well. Had about three fems and two regs flowering and the regs hermed badly and the fems only a sack or two. So based on five plants I can declare without a shadow of a doubt that fems are less likely to herm than regs (please don't believe that).

 

[bushweed]

No it is you who is talking about feelings I'm talking about scientific facts. With zero doubt in my mind I can tell you that you will make overwhelmingly more genetic progress by using pollen donors of known phenotypic worth (reversed females) than by using pollen from the same number of individuals of unknown phenotypic worth (males) with regards to the matter at hand (drug type cannabis).

You know Tom, just because there's no doubt in your mind about a certain idea, doesn't make it a scientific fact. Scientific facts are based on controlled research that demonstrates repeatedly that 1 + 2 = 3, or in this case 1 + 1 = 3. When for instance I write a research paper I'm expected to supply valid references for every single argument. That's scientific method. What you've done here though is deride anyone who doesn't agree with you as being an airy fairy hippy, without actually supplying one piece of evidence for your assertions.

Now the issue is, are feminized seeds safe - for the progeny of these feminized Cannabis populations, and for the people consuming them? Thus far youve established that not one intelligent argument has been made to demonstrate the case for the negative. But i put it to you as one self proclaimed scientist (thrice published) to another, that when dealing with therapeutic goods, which cannabis is, it is incumbent on the proponents (or the company wishing to profit from said goods) to supply the scientific evidence that the new product or technology is safe.

So where is that evidence Tom?

Instead what we have here is the sort of argument quoted above; I'm Tom Hill - beats breast, I'm a lover of scientific fact, if you dont agree with me you're stupid - insert assertion. What it basically amounts to is a lot of rhetoric, but no actual science. Ironic given the lengths youve gone to establish yourself (at least in the minds of a handful of credulous IC punters) as some sort of paragon of botanical science. In which case it should be of little consequence for you to supply some research data to corroborate your assertions.

Since you've admitted that you use conventional reproduction means to produce seeds, you not only lack quantitative evidence, but empirical as well. Therefore what exactly do you base your strongly held opinion on? Intuition? This reminds me a lot of how the pharmaceutical industry conducts itself ie. sponsor research that finds in your favor then quickly release the product on the market with absolutely zero understanding of what effects the drug has a generation down the line.

The difference with big pharma and this pseudoscientific lot is that you have no research whatsoever and since you use male and female reproduction, you have no empirical data either. So when and where then is the testing being done? Why it's been done on any poor bastard who buys the feminized seeds. The human guinea pig...

Anyone remember thalidomide?

Now having read your first ten posts in this thread I'm surprised at how you keep reiterating how much better it is to utilise sex reversal technology to produce gynoecious parents, yet completely ignore the more obvious application that Nevil was using more than twenty years ago ie. reversing males to better understand their smoking potential. So even when making your own case you've only told half the story.