Please breeders we still want regular seeds too...

[THE PABLOS]

i do bit, have a bit of seed stash, my own, ive also made my own strain that im pretty satisfied with (smells like buttered popcorn lol) and one im working on. (pretty much the same strain, but smells different and i want to mix that line with something else)

but no, im not a professional breeder

i did get quite alot of info in return for stating my opinions on the matter so i wouldnt say this was meaningless, i do admit i did not have alot to offer informationvise myself.

its not a competition, i viewed this as a conversation that got perhaps a bit heated.

have a good day

Fair enough then. Good day.

 

[dramamine]

Most of the top stuff we have today comes from male/female breeding and seems pretty good to me. Thats how mother nature operates.
You can breed better with fems? Fine, but leave to the customers a choice providing both type of seeds.

Namaste

C.

Mother nature...hmm, she breeds with fems, too. Or did you think that nanners are man-made? "Top stuff" is totally debatable, but many of the best loved strains owe their existence to female:female reproduction............ The reality is that any focused breeding project can be seen as spitting in the face of "natural" reproduction, and is purposefully limiting the gene pool by definition. Face it, gardening/agriculture is as unnatural as most modern human activity.

 

[THE PABLOS]

^ my sentiments exactly. Selective breeding is not Mother Natures way. Man has made the manipulations here. All this breeding away from intersex....manipulations. Surely not natural. If you can take one step...might as well take two. Reversals are tools...not end of the sexes.

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Indeed Pablos and I think a lot of people would be surprised how many of the top breeders they rave about use reversals in their breeding process to get them places quicker...You don't have to use it for simply fem beans tons of uses for it in what most of us consider a normal m/f breeding program. Isolation, checking for hetero traits, speeding up m/f program by reversing the one special female and then finding a male in her offspring, checking males for traits, and many more...

A lot of breeders have kept things quiet about this but a lot more have hinted if you look around...I don't think there is an end all as there will always be a market for whatever type of seed so while a lot of breeders might move to fem only lines you can expect that many more to fill the void they left behind.

 

[serious6]

GIBBERALLIC ACID is organic and can be used to produce fem seeds. incorrectly done and you can get males or mules. i know from experience.


SOME breeders are producing FEM seeds only to protect their seed sales and genetics. try to clone or breed a FEM and you will find out why?

to the 2 replys - you can clone a FEM but go ahead and breed them, i dare you! have you ever done any breeding? and if the clone is sold and some1 else tries to breed them? go for it!

 

[Illuminate]

slowly, and only as a community we are moving towards true understanding..

 

[thesloppy]

Try to clone a FEM and you will find out why.

Ummm, what? The internet is truly a wonderful place, where a thread on breeding/female seeds like this can turn and head deeper than anyone expected, with mountains of knowledge.....and yet you could also read this thread and 'discover' that plants from female seeds apparently can't be cloned OR bred. I guess I should scrub them hundreds of apparently imaginary cloned fem plants from my memories of the last half-decade.

 

[northstate]

Seriously? This thread has some really great info and I learned some things for sure but that post above thesloppy's is about as hard as I have laughed in while. Thanks to T.Hill for the reference links and no wonder he is doing better things with his time right now.NS

 

[thesloppy]

that post above thesloppy's is about as hard as I have laughed in while.

I had the same reaction.....after reading 10 pages of this thread, my brows were getting more and more furrowed with every page, as the information got thicker, more interesting and deeper with each post....until you reached that gem of a post that managed to contradict everything previously said in the thread, AND SO MUCH MORE, with so few words. Well played.

 

[elmanito]

STS seems to work better than gibberillic acid according to the Indian study about fem seeds.

When you look to vegetable seed market, most modern vegetable varieties are F1-hybrids.Sure these varieties are uniform when you grow them, but it is also financial thing to protect their finance of sales, so it is not only in the Cannabis seed market.

The only organic way in mutagen breeding would the use of natural UV light of the sun.Artificial UV-light would probably not allowed in organic breeding programs, i guess.

Namaste

 

[serious6]

i'll keep the regular

i'll keep the regular

ever done any breeding? know what GA3 is? or where you can get gibberallic acid? how about silver nitrate? do you know how to "self"? the survival trait of marijuana and stress? or are you just reading stuff so that you can belittle real breeders. you make me laugh.

 

[KiefSweat]

R.Clarkes book talks about selfing with ga3. Makes me wonder what lines where created with gibberalic acid in the 80s.

 

[thesloppy]

ever done any breeding? know what GA3 is? or where you can get gibberallic acid? how about silver nitrate? do you know how to "self"? the survival trait of marijuana and stress? or are you just reading stuff so that you can belittle real breeders. you make me laugh.

I have no interest in questioning down your breeding skills, or ability to locate chemical supplies, but saying that plants from fem seeds can't be cloned is just misinformation, and just saying they can't be bred, without any argument, was covered in the previous 10 pages. Whether you, I, or anybody else, know where to locate gibberalic acid doesn't really do much towards proving either of your contrary statements, does it?

 

[NorcalBob]

I want to thank Chimera and Tom for teaching me as much as my little Gump'd brain can handle, still so much more to soak up, and I'm sure I've twisted the true teachings here. For that i r sorry!~

 

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[vStagger Leev]

GIBBERALLIC ACID is organic and can be used to produce fem seeds. incorrectly done and you can get males or mules. i know from experience.


SOME breeders are producing FEM seeds only to protect their seed sales and genetics. try to clone or breed a FEM and you will find out why?

to the 2 replys - you can clone a FEM but go ahead and breed them, i dare you! have you ever done any breeding? and if the clone is sold and some1 else tries to breed them? go for it!

I definately have cloned fem'd genetics... so, what the fuck are you talking about?? Not sure if you have any frame of reference except yourself. SL

 

[Hammerhead]

I take my s1 and cross them to a good male. Now I have regular seeds again. I'm not concered about hermie from using this line of s1. I have grown at least 50 plants none have hermied or thrown a nanner..

I also found a male in this s1 line. I pollinated the mom with it to possibly make s2?. I wont know if the pollen was viable until I germ test. I wont know if the pollen was fem until I grow some plants.. So it might be a f2 from a s1 line ????

 

[serious6]

yes im self taught in many things, i corrected the clone thing, being stoned and all. i read the whole thread and gave my opinion. guess it does not fit your agenda so i will just STFU and go elsewhere. you can guess what i think of you all. hint: starts with an N.

except hammerhead; he i respect! c ya!

 

[Triangle Kush]

I personally like working with male x female plants. Im half way thru a Triangle Kush IBL, getting at least 50% plants that favor the original Triangle Kush mom. Sure it takes longer but having a nice male triangle one day...hell yes.

how ever if i was doing it for a living it would be a different story. Send these babies in for freebies to the bay.

 

[KiefSweat]

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I also found a male in this s1 line. I pollinated the mom with it to possibly make s2?. I wont know if the pollen was viable until I germ test. I wont know if the pollen was fem until I grow some plants.. So it might be a f2 from a s1 line ????

if you using 2 different plants and one is normal male then its not selfed. I would assume it would be the opposite of what I asked tom and you would call it an f2 of f3 via s1. (The s1 is really an f2)

If using 2 females you would have to reverse one its still got more then one parent but I think you would have to note that the cross was an Fx made with siblings which one was reversed.