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Please breeders we still want regular seeds too...
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What he is saying is that it's an existing trait, not necessarily something requiring genetic modification and can be had by conventional breeding methods. Rest your worried head mates, for anything that can be bred in by conventional means can be bred back out by those same means. This is why the bullshit meter was going off in the article plastochron linked when the guy started going on about extra y's that couldn't be bred back out etc.
Something like this may be found to be useful in giant scale commercial production but I reckon identical reproduction (clones, artificial seed, reverse breeding etc) will rule that day.-T
Something like this may be found to be useful in giant scale commercial production but I reckon identical reproduction (clones, artificial seed, reverse breeding etc) will rule that day.-T
hmm, still notice that tom hill himself uses the plain old male female breeding method 
seems a bit of mess resorting to chemical breeding.
and you guys are right, i was not very well informed in these matters, but ive always just felt that why bother with feminized seed?
i want to breed and i dont want to resort to coloidal silver or what the heck they are using.
im not in it for commercial reasons.
i just like smoke and it helps me alot.
and i like varied smoke and i like continuing the lines and sometimes introducing new "blood" into them. i like having backup seed and surprising seeds and whatnot.
im not saying you shouldnt do this.
im saying, i would be sad if feminized seed only were available commercially.
though, when cannabis is legal, i suppose thousands of previously hidden landraces are gonna become available
and this a moot point for awhile.
seems a bit of mess resorting to chemical breeding.
and you guys are right, i was not very well informed in these matters, but ive always just felt that why bother with feminized seed?
i want to breed and i dont want to resort to coloidal silver or what the heck they are using.
im not in it for commercial reasons.
i just like smoke and it helps me alot.
and i like varied smoke and i like continuing the lines and sometimes introducing new "blood" into them. i like having backup seed and surprising seeds and whatnot.
im not saying you shouldnt do this.
im saying, i would be sad if feminized seed only were available commercially.
though, when cannabis is legal, i suppose thousands of previously hidden landraces are gonna become available
and this a moot point for awhile.
probably are gonna rise up forums where people will be sharing exclusively seeds.
(this is allready happening, just not talked about publicly)
plenty of folks are happy to give even pounds of mj away (there was this french farmer..)
lol, usually in good groups of people, there are always some happy to give seeds. this is quite common actually.
and i suppose every strain is out there somewhere and often in the hands of good people.
so again, i guess a moot point worrying about the future of mj and its seeds.
(this is allready happening, just not talked about publicly)
plenty of folks are happy to give even pounds of mj away (there was this french farmer..
)lol, usually in good groups of people, there are always some happy to give seeds. this is quite common actually.
and i suppose every strain is out there somewhere and often in the hands of good people.
so again, i guess a moot point worrying about the future of mj and its seeds.
thread should be stickied
hmm, still notice that tom hill himself uses the plain old male female breeding method
While this is true, I would be remiss in my duty to cannabis not to admit the downfall of said actions. For example, in all my years of modified mass selection I have been using a male pollen mix on the top 5% of females in regards to phenotypic worth. I would be absolutely lieing through my teeth if I was to sit here and try to sell that I believe more progress wouldn't have been made by using instead a mix of pollen from females of outstanding phenotypic worth. As I know it to be absolutely false, science renders it a big fat lie.
That is really what we're talking about isn't it, that female seeds limit folk with a feeble understanding in regards to how to proceed. Too bad, you'll get no sympathy from me. If anybody needs help I as well as others are always available, but we'll not sit here and entertain feeling sorry for you and your heebie jeebies about the topic when all that is required is a modicum of education and direction.
For goddamn sure I'll not sit around while certain individuals go on with absolute lies on the subject, breeding nothing but ignorance amongst the community on the topic, no sir not on this kids watch
No it is you who is talking about feelings I'm talking about scientific facts. With zero doubt in my mind I can tell you that you will make overwhelmingly more genetic progress by using pollen donors of known phenotypic worth (reversed females) than by using pollen from the same number of individuals of unknown phenotypic worth (males) with regards to the matter at hand (drug type cannabis).
lol, i mentioned once , that i felt something to be something.
its an expression, (what exactly about feelings upsets you so?)
..so, its a question of time? you get more done in less time, genetically speaking.
any other benefits?
and what are the known issues with this method? (still remains to be seen , if people think the same way as you, in say, 100 years)
whats the minuses?
its an expression, (what exactly about feelings upsets you so?
)..so, its a question of time? you get more done in less time, genetically speaking.
any other benefits?
and what are the known issues with this method? (still remains to be seen , if people think the same way as you, in say, 100 years)
whats the minuses?
It is a question of efficiency as well as the overall likelihood success, as well as the height of that success imo. There's not a whole lot of traditional breeders re cannabis only traditional hacks, the more you learn about actual selection methods in plant breeding the more you will come to realize this. There are no known minuses that's the whole point. There are folks badmouthing these techniques that have been utilized to great benefit for several decades going on a half century or more. Ever eat a seedless watermelon or cuke n your salad? Of course you have, same exact tech. Proceed with your lunch, I promise you will not die lol.
i dont eat vegetables, not really, sometimes eat rice and bread.
i come from a northern clime, you feel better with a mostly meat diet in such a clime.
well, i still would be happier just playing with males and females.
but, like i said, each to his own. (i dont have any particular feelings about people doing this, i just would not want to see traditional female male herb go away. i feel that in the long run it would be a great loss to lose the originals, to at least retain some viable form of them.)
i was curious and those were the questions i needed answered, thank you.
i come from a northern clime, you feel better with a mostly meat diet in such a clime.
well, i still would be happier just playing with males and females.
but, like i said, each to his own. (i dont have any particular feelings about people doing this, i just would not want to see traditional female male herb go away. i feel that in the long run it would be a great loss to lose the originals, to at least retain some viable form of them.)
i was curious and those were the questions i needed answered, thank you.
T
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i dont eat vegetables, not really, sometimes eat rice and bread.
i come from a northern clime, you feel better with a mostly meat diet in such a clime.
well, i still would be happier just playing with males and females.
but, like i said, each to his own. (i dont have any particular feelings about people doing this, i just would not want to see traditional female male herb go away. i feel that in the long run it would be a great loss to lose the originals, to at least retain some viable form of them.)
i was curious and those were the questions i needed answered, thank you.
Would be happier?...or Are happier? How are the originals being lost?.....what????
Tom, may i be as bold to ask what apart from Haze, Afghan, Paki(#18 & PtK), north Indian and the Haze x Afghan line, what else do you grow for kicks.
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IMO it is a great tool when you found a female which has the right traits what you're looking for to self it then to find a male with the same traits to continue with these traits in the next generation.It will save you time.
For example, i made a cross in the past where the female was very mold resistant, but i didn't had a male of the same variety, so i crossed it with a male from another variety with had a trait for mold sensitivity and passed it to the F1.If i selfed it the problem wouldn't occur.
I must admit that in the past i made the same mistake to think like many others that breeding with females is wrong, but to read more about the subject changed my thinking.It is a handy tool to save time in the breeding process.
Namaste
For example, i made a cross in the past where the female was very mold resistant, but i didn't had a male of the same variety, so i crossed it with a male from another variety with had a trait for mold sensitivity and passed it to the F1.If i selfed it the problem wouldn't occur.
I must admit that in the past i made the same mistake to think like many others that breeding with females is wrong, but to read more about the subject changed my thinking.It is a handy tool to save time in the breeding process.
Namaste
You have triploids for sale Tom?
No but there is a person in this thread who likely eats lunch with folk who have some amount of success with double haploid tech. While it turns out that this is perhaps not the identical reproduction we may have once thought, recombining some 1-5% of these individuals does indeed bring identical reproduction - ie reverse breeding. While he doesn't know it yet, he's about to be a part of some serious research applications that will render such techs as clones and artificial seed near obsolete. At least that's my grandiose idea of how it will come burnin down the pipe lol. I'll keep you posted. -T
