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Diary PCBuds mini-grow
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I tend to see bottom leaves like that on cuttings that won't drink quickly enough, for the daily tray dunk. To me, it's just part of my selection process to loose the late rooters/starters. I bet I can find a leaf like that right now, as my 3 week old tray gets a daily and some are just not ready to drink that much. Next they would lighten up, stop stretching and bunch a bit. Kinda like the silhouette looks. I'm being lazy actually, my tray is almost 4 weeks old and well overdue potting up. I will go and do it... under duress of finding you a picture
Hour later...
The green drinks the least of all my plants. I should of known it would be the one showing. The white drinks the second least, as is temperamental. Interestingly, both are outdoor genetics, not indoor/outdoor, just outdoor. Though I selected pheno's that do work indoors, to make them worth keeping alive from years on end.
The red is representative of all my other cuts. It's an indoor, but the runt of it's kind. So shows a tiny bit of the same on an early leaf, before it got going properly.
These have been in fully populated trays, shoulder to shoulder, in coco. Perhaps with soil food. I got to thinking that the other day. I seem to recall mixing it. Though I have slept a lot since then. At 4 weeks, these are a bit behind.
Edit: Sorry.. you can't see the others.. they are little bigger. About where I wanted them 4 or 5 days days ago, when I should of moved them to the 15 cell trays
You can barely see, but the red is really dry, effecting the roots. The others are really wet... effecting the roots. 24h after the last dunk
The green drinks the least of all my plants. I should of known it would be the one showing. The white drinks the second least, as is temperamental. Interestingly, both are outdoor genetics, not indoor/outdoor, just outdoor. Though I selected pheno's that do work indoors, to make them worth keeping alive from years on end.
The red is representative of all my other cuts. It's an indoor, but the runt of it's kind. So shows a tiny bit of the same on an early leaf, before it got going properly.
These have been in fully populated trays, shoulder to shoulder, in coco. Perhaps with soil food. I got to thinking that the other day. I seem to recall mixing it. Though I have slept a lot since then. At 4 weeks, these are a bit behind.
Edit: Sorry.. you can't see the others.. they are little bigger. About where I wanted them 4 or 5 days days ago, when I should of moved them to the 15 cell trays
You can barely see, but the red is really dry, effecting the roots. The others are really wet... effecting the roots. 24h after the last dunk
PCBuds
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The window plant is looking good...
I put her back into some water and had to flush it through again to bring down the PH.
I guess that I'm going to have to do it at every watering?
The closet plant was looking a little pale, so I started her on 1/4 nutes.
¼ strength Maxigro and Calmag.
I can't tell how the seed is doing in the agar.
It's too opaque to see through it.
I put her back into some water and had to flush it through again to bring down the PH.
I guess that I'm going to have to do it at every watering?
The closet plant was looking a little pale, so I started her on 1/4 nutes.
¼ strength Maxigro and Calmag.
I can't tell how the seed is doing in the agar.
It's too opaque to see through it.
PCBuds
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Amazing how fast she greened up after the flush
Peace
Yeah, she perked up and greened up really fast.
I did remove some leaves and trimmed a couple back a bit though.
We'll see if she's done with her daily drooping now?
She doesn't have many leaves left to droop, but I'm sure it will still show if she goes to sleep again.
The closet plant is looking good.
She still looks a little pale, but she might take a while to green up and it's partly the lighting making her look pale.
I sprayed the soil and her too.
I neglected my cuttings. Just dunking the tray, when I should of done some pour through every few days. Just dunking replenishes what they have used, but a pour through exchanges everything. If we look at dwc, it's soaking, but aerated. Often when we talk about too wet, what we really mean is lack of oxygenation. Had I been pouring through, and using a little h2o2, They wouldn't look so bad. In all honestly, I made up a bucket and used it a couple of weeks. Which is exactly how to do it wrong. Moving living stuff from the coco, to my bucket, where it could breed. Sucking out what little air there was, keeping my bucket in a warm tent.
My cars broke. I'm not working. It's getting my attention. So I didn't go a week with a couple of flushes, then pot up. I just dunked for a couple of weeks. I need a good slapping to get back on course.
That pour through with fresh feed, pushes out everything that's used and loosing it's fizz.
I think you are seeing the same.
Tried aero or dwc? They are good for watching the roots.
My cars broke. I'm not working. It's getting my attention. So I didn't go a week with a couple of flushes, then pot up. I just dunked for a couple of weeks. I need a good slapping to get back on course.
That pour through with fresh feed, pushes out everything that's used and loosing it's fizz.
I think you are seeing the same.
Tried aero or dwc? They are good for watching the roots.
PCBuds
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I think she was good as far as fizz goes, but the PH was way off and the solution needed to be pushed through.
I was going to bottom feed, but I'll just water from the top to flush everything through then check the PH in the reservoir afterward.
I'm feeding her at about PH 5.5 to help adjust her PH.
Actually I'm kinda doing both in my closet except I can't see the roots.
I need a big transparent planter. lol
Maybe one of those octagonal vertically standing aquariums like this...
I don't think that aero description is right.
Roots are generally in free space, such as hanging from a basket. The good bit, is that they are misted. Misting picks up good levels of oxygen, and the roots can a constant supply of that very aerated water. I toyed with ideas to spread the roots though or over something, but most systems use net pots on box gutters, with internal misters and air flow through them. Leading to an nft like mat. That mat needs deleting from the project. With roots dropping onto mesh screens perhaps. Ensuring no nft like attributes, as that's contrary to the goal.
Roots are generally in free space, such as hanging from a basket. The good bit, is that they are misted. Misting picks up good levels of oxygen, and the roots can a constant supply of that very aerated water. I toyed with ideas to spread the roots though or over something, but most systems use net pots on box gutters, with internal misters and air flow through them. Leading to an nft like mat. That mat needs deleting from the project. With roots dropping onto mesh screens perhaps. Ensuring no nft like attributes, as that's contrary to the goal.
PCBuds
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Yeah, I guess an NFT mat would get skanky with algae and stuff.
I guess my aquarium idea would look the same.
The inside if my planter was all green with algae and growth when I changed it out for the new plant.
I guess a see-through planter would look gross. lol
The algae is fine for me though.
It feeds the microbes and soil mites.
I'll see what happens with my window plant.
I'm sure that she'll grow more roots. I can put the H2O2 in the water to help keep it away so that I can take better pictures. lol
I'll bet that I could overdo it with the H2O2 and the plant would be fine?
The roots in the reservoir might die, but they are only to supplement the roots inside the planter.
I bet that they are better able to cope with the H2O2 because they don't have any fine hairs on them to burn off. They have a lot less surface area than the fuzzy roots, and probably a thicker skin too.
PCBuds
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Hey, just wondering,...
If were to try to grow a plant with the roots in an aquarium like DWC, could I have fish in the aquarium?
Would my 700 ppm of nutes and 5.8 Ph kill the fish ??
I know that goldfish
are from the carp family and can put up with a lot of crap. They can even suck air from the surface of the water and bubble it through their gills to get oxygen.
I could get a few algae eaters too to eat the algae.
goingrey
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Yep, it's called Aquaponics. Often they use Tilapia as the fish.
There was an episode of The Pot Cast about it: https://soundcloud.com/the_pot_cast/episode-48-steve-of-growing-with-fishes-potent-ponics-podcast
There was an episode of The Pot Cast about it: https://soundcloud.com/the_pot_cast/episode-48-steve-of-growing-with-fishes-potent-ponics-podcast
Please don't add nutrients to the fish water. And ph 5.8 seems a bit low for most fish. Dunno of you should risk harming some fish for no reason, if you decide to do it research it properly first. The fish should sustain the plants without many external nutes.
goingrey
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Good point!
The idea is you feed the fish and then the fish provide the "nutes".
Then you smoke the weed and eat the fish.
Seems like an amazing idea to me.
aliceklar
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Fish are even more picky about pH and chemical composition of their environment than weed... I know they need higher pH than the range for coco, and some are v sensitive to nitrates. If you stick a fish in your res it will probably die. There might be some kinds of fish that could tolerate it? Or a more integrated organic aquaculture setup, but thats a whole different system, and would require specific plants and animals - not sure if it would be compatible with hydro?? - shellfish? I love the idea of living systems tho. Bottled nutes in, waste out just seems so... wasteful. A good system captures its own waste streams and feeds them back into the cycle.
PCBuds
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I don't think I'm being selfish at all !!!
lol
I want a symbiotic self perpetuating aquarium/terrarium with fish on the bottom, maybe a gecko in the terrainium part along with my plant as long as it doesn't eat Cannibis. lol
