Paul/Frank co-sponsoring legalization bill

[nukklehead]

Will keep this short.. Im a pretty open minded neutral guy and take all opinions into consideration. I was definitely a Paul supporter until now. ( which means now I support no one...) but that prick had to go. If you have seen some of his rhetoric,, jees,,.. along with Mc Veigh.. he needs to burn too. These people are wackos in a PSEUDO civilized society. ( PSEUDO tongue in cheek). The next one is Irans prime minister that i cant spell his name.. ( although I think his cousins are my family doctors) ba wa ha...

 

[bentom187]

so tell me ,what exactly now that the constitution is toiletpapper ,is supposed to keep you from, well ,ending up the same way , for whatever they can justify.

do you fall in line and live like a slave ? or you fight physiclly and intillectually so that no one has control over any aspect of your life for political reasons or monetary reasons ? its YOUR life no one elses.

i dont think you have fully read or mabey dont agree with fully, what the dr. is advocating.

 

[kathmandu]

Just a reminder since this thread had gone a little off track...
the PBS television documentary Prohibition is on tonight at 8pm eastern....

 

[ozman]

That will be worth the time to watch.Even if it is PBS.

 

[ShroomDr]

Im 99% its Ken Burns.

Breaking Bad, Dexter, Boardwalk Empire, Football, and now PBS, how many fucking shows can i watch in one night?

The (out of work) prohibition agents turned into the proto-DEA!

SUCK MY BALLS ANSLINGER

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

so tell me ,what exactly now that the constitution is toiletpapper ,is supposed to keep you from, well ,ending up the same way , for whatever they can justify.

For one, he could refrain from fomenting extreme violence and murder.

do you fall in line and live like a slave ? or you fight physiclly and intillectually so that no one has control over any aspect of your life for political reasons or monetary reasons ? its YOUR life no one elses.

i dont think you have fully read or mabey dont agree with fully, what the dr. is advocating.

Movie ticket - $8.00

Large popcorn - $5.00

Can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, fall in line and live like a slave - priceless



Geez. If I can't have my idea of freedom at the movies I might go to Yemen, one of Al Queda's top operational homes since being routed from Afghanistan. I'll renounce my citizenship and foment fear and loathing of Americans, advocating extreme violence and murder. With any luck, successful terrorist attacks and even murders will be attributed to me, then I'll be taken seriously. Who knows? I might be the next OBL. After all, it's the same business.

And if that ain't good enough, maybe a libertarian presidential candidate will advocate my freedom of speech. Never mind the fact that my murderous rhetoric doesn't discriminate.

Who knows? Maybe I'll get snuffed for fomenting murder and extreme violence. Maybe one of his followers will suggest I was just a businessman.....

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

So i assume this Paul/Frank bill is just sitting 'on the legislative desk', and is not likely to be acted upon soon?

Normls website is pretty poorly run, they should stay on top of current events better. Ill read (vague) news articles about 'legalization' measures in states, and you would figure norml's site could have a lot more DETAILS.

yeah NORML is just about useless for info


Status:

Occurred: Introduced Jun 23, 2011
Occurred: Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments
Not Yet Occurred: Reported by Committee ...
Not Yet Occurred: House Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Senate Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Signed by President ...
Last Action:
Aug 25, 2011: House Judiciary: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security./

 

[bentom187]

For one, he could refrain from fomenting extreme violence and murder.



Movie ticket - $8.00

Large popcorn - $5.00

Can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, fall in line and live like a slave - priceless



Geez. If I can't have my idea of freedom at the movies I might go to Yemen, one of Al Queda's top operational homes since being routed from Afghanistan. I'll renounce my citizenship and foment fear and loathing of Americans, advocating extreme violence and murder. With any luck, successful terrorist attacks and even murders will be attributed to me, then I'll be taken seriously. Who knows? I might be the next OBL. After all, it's the same business.

And if that ain't good enough, maybe a libertarian presidential candidate will advocate my freedom of speech. Never mind the fact that my murderous rhetoric doesn't discriminate.

Who knows? Maybe I'll get snuffed for fomenting murder and extreme violence. Maybe one of his followers will suggest I was just a businessman.....

with all due respect disco, i wasnt talking to you ,but i was talking to nukklehead. that is his screen name not a insult. im not sure how relivent your rant has become. we all have the freedom of speech period ,it doesnt matter if you like or not its law until some president sayswe should be slaves and restricted as such.north keorea has such policies but im sure thats not on you vaction list.

 

[nukklehead]

so tell me ,what exactly now that the constitution is toiletpapper ,is supposed to keep you from, well ,ending up the same way , for whatever they can justify.

do you fall in line and live like a slave ? or you fight physiclly and intillectually so that no one has control over any aspect of your life for political reasons or monetary reasons ? its YOUR life no one elses.

i dont think you have fully read or mabey dont agree with fully, what the dr. is advocating.

Nope I fully embrace MOST of what the Dr is saying. Im no intellectual historian like most other people but I do know when some crazy F--- advocates killing me and my fellow countrymen I take a little offense to people wanting to protect him. I dont care what country/ his citizenship is.

We can go on and on about politics/ history/ occupation of Saudi Arabia, golan heights, sinai peninsula, you name it but the bottom line is as they say in the ole school, he needed "wacked" along with his buddies and Osama bin laden and Timothy Mc Veigh. ( I dont live in texas) but in the words of Ron white, "If you come to texas and kill someone we will kill you back--thats (should be) our policy

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

All due respect to you, bentom.

As much as it might distress we have many limitations on speech.

I know you personally disagree with this president but it's the Patriot Act that allows him (and every president forward) to do whatever they want, legally. Obama didn't introduce the Patriot Act but he and other presidents have and will test it's limitations.

Watergate investigations substantially limited presidential authority until Reagan had to operate Iran-Contra under the table. Bush didn't like that hide and seek biz and got Congress to say it's legal to do once-illegal things. Pretty soon the president will be reigned in again and successors will find new ways to get around the legalities.

We might never learn of an internal order barring this type of activity again. But nobody's gonna sue this president for breaking the law. Even if the Patriot Act itself is declared unconstitutional, the acts committed within will never be considered illegal because Congress said it wasn't at the time acts were committed. Ron is still arguing constitutional aspects when everybody else knows it's law and will take subsequent law or judicial order to change.

 

[ShroomDr]

bentom187 your point is invalid.

'freedom of speech' (as defined by the SCOTUS) does not include hate speech, inciting violence, or yelling fire in a theater.

Telling someone to commit terrorist acts against US civilians should qualify for all three.



Not sure if i said it here, or elsewhere, but the only reason they didnt charge him is because they would have to charge everyone else henceforth. It is bad precedent.

the Patriot Act that allows him (and every president forward) to do whatever they want, legally.

the Patriot Act has an expiration date, they just keep extending parts.

'Whatever they want' is a bit vague, but again its all about this 'administration' not giving up an inch of what the last 'administration' had already done.

 

[bentom187]

Nope I fully embrace MOST of what the Dr is saying. Im no intellectual historian like most other people but I do know when some crazy F--- advocates killing me and my fellow countrymen I take a little offense to people wanting to protect him. I dont care what country/ his citizenship is.

We can go on and on about politics/ history/ occupation of Saudi Arabia, golan heights, sinai peninsula, you name it but the bottom line is as they say in the ole school, he needed "wacked" along with his buddies and Osama bin laden and Timothy Mc Veigh. ( I dont live in texas) but in the words of Ron white, "If you come to texas and kill someone we will kill you back--thats (should be) our policy

wounderful but he only advocated it,so say somone jokes around on a comedy show or in any other place some idiot takes things the worng way and goes blowing shit up ,your saying we should forget the law and kill the comedian ,and this is just one possible example where the military /press/govt see no restictions based on the current policy your supporting.
so if politicians and the whole govt can ignore it as long as they get some people to agree on propaganda without evidence where does it stop.
i think you guys are saying i dont care about this country ,but infact im upholding its original framework that guarrenteed our freedoms,and you dont see the people taking them away as the real domestic enemy ,just because they dont where turbins but armani instead.

 

[bentom187]

All due respect to you, bentom.

As much as it might distress we have many limitations on speech.

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yeah completley contridicting the leagle document that guarenteed it.

and the patriot act ,you might have well of called it the act that ends your rights as a american or the direct apeal of the 4th ammendment .
disco 2 wrongs dont make a right period. and continuing it makes the enforcers more of a criminal than the people who violate it.

 

[nukklehead]

I guess I can agree with your knowledge of the constitution.. Im an uneducated redneck.. Like I say ... you F--- with my country. ( No matter how corrupt it may be..... my kids have to grow up in this shit_) You F--- with the poor kids are trying to defend this country, you get no sympathy from me.. All Im saying is Paul took the wrong stance on this debate. I wish he didnt.... but it is what it is... Dont mess with the USA !!! "If you kill us.. know matter what it takes,.. we will kill you back.. hell that sounds like Islam.. an Eye for an Eye... not a bad gig if you ask me Hell maybe thats the problem (????) with USA.. we give all foreigners our constitutional rights and they turn it on us... YA THINK???!!!

 

[bentom187]

bentom187 your point is invalid.

'freedom of speech' (as defined by the SCOTUS) does not include hate speech, inciting violence, or yelling fire in a theater.

Telling someone to commit terrorist acts against US civilians should qualify for all three.



Not sure if i said it here, or elsewhere, but the only reason they didnt charge him is because they would have to charge everyone else henceforth. It is bad precedent.


the Patriot Act has an expiration date, they just keep extending parts.

'Whatever they want' is a bit vague, but again its all about this 'administration' not giving up an inch of what the last 'administration' had already done.

should and leagle are different

charging people and giving them fair treatment seperates us from the rest of the world of savages leagley and morally,this is the land of the free supposedley

 

[bentom187]

I guess I can agree with your knowledge of the constitution.. Im an uneducated redneck.. Like I say ... you F--- with my country. ( No matter how corrupt it may be..... my kids have to grow up in this shit_) You F--- with the poor kids are trying to defend this country, you get no sympathy from me.. All Im saying is Paul took the wrong stance on this debate. I wish he didnt.... but it is what it is... Dont mess with the USA !!!

i agree whol heartedley that your kids should grow up free,to say what they want.notbe in fear of drone attacks from their own elected officials.

i just want the politicians to follow the law just like us,and not have us pay with money or life or freedom for their egendas.

 

[nukklehead]

Im as paranoid as you.. I.e I supported Paul... Just he f--- himself on this one!!

 

[bentom187]

hey thats what the 1st is about,i may not agree with what you say but ill defend to my death your right to say it.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

yeah completley contridicting the leagle document that guarenteed it.

The freedom to swing my fist stops short of your nose.

As for speech crimes in the US, we have slander, liable, hate speech (as defined as inciting violence, murder, etc) wire/bank fraud. Wait... there's so many, google the following for an idea - speech crimes +united states. No fewer than 10 pages related to speech crimes.

and the patriot act ,you might have well of called it the act that ends your rights as a american or the direct apeal of the 4th ammendment .
disco 2 wrongs dont make a right period. and continuing it makes the enforcers more of a criminal than the people who violate it.

Where the Constitution provides explicit instruction, such is the law. For example, slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person. That's explicit instruction.

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to foment violence on the street corner or in another country. Freedom of speech is being able to speak w/o censorship. Fortunately, one doesn't always get away with the crimes committed by their mouth.

 

[bentom187]

"As for speech crimes in the US, we have slander, liable, hate speech (as defined as inciting violence, murder, etc) wire/bank fraud. Wait... there's so many, google the following for an idea - speech crimes +united states. No fewer than 10 pages related to speech crimes. "



good thing we have those hate speach laws so lawyers and politicians can make money and get votes by violating the original law to what ever the soupdejoure of criminals are now.

where are the drone attacks on the KKK or devil worshipers,ummm ted kazinski ,timmy mcveigh,david duke,alex jones,jesse ventura.....? they all encite resistence toa tolitarian state and violation of the constitution(according to you),yet would you line them up for exicution? i dont think so and jessie ventura lives in mexico so theres no problem according to the current outlook on things.

"Where the Constitution provides explicit instruction, such is the law. For example, slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person. That's explicit instruction"

you assumed we ALL arnt 3/5 ths of a person/slave and treated as controlible commodities to the bank i think their racisim stops at green.

"Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to foment violence on the street corner or in another country. Freedom of speech is being able to speak w/o censorship. Fortunately, one doesn't always get away with the crimes committed by their mouth. "

this contridicts the constitution and itself and your first comment.
its law or its not and having 2 contridictory laws is dumb or a product of corruption.